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Post by camper on Aug 18, 2024 10:35:14 GMT -5
Or maybe leave it as is, but make sharing legal after a certain period of time, so that anything can be distributed for free, but you cannot sell it. In the EU, there is a 50-year rule for recognizing a work as public domain. That is, sprites, textures and graphics, as a work of art, must be in the public domain after 20 years. In the US, it is more complicated, most likely a precedent will be required, that is, a court hearing on recognizing these materials as public domain based on the EU legal precedent. Maps are technically drawings, it seems that copyright also applies to the design, but I do not know for sure. A more subtle point with patch tables and file names. Actually, they are in the source code, which is open, but they are also in iwad, which is not free. Here, I think, is a subtle point that can be disputed. In general, it would be great if the Doom Shareware were recognized as public domain, taking into account its great social significance.
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Post by Moonsweeper on Aug 18, 2024 11:18:49 GMT -5
Or maybe leave it as is, but make sharing legal after a certain period of time, so that anything can be distributed for free, but you cannot sell it. In the EU, there is a 50-year rule for recognizing a work as public domain. That is, sprites, textures and graphics, as a work of art, must be in the public domain after 20 years. In the US, it is more complicated, most likely a precedent will be required, that is, a court hearing on recognizing these materials as public domain based on the EU legal precedent. Maps are technically drawings, it seems that copyright also applies to the design, but I do not know for sure. A more subtle point with patch tables and file names. Actually, they are in the source code, which is open, but they are also in iwad, which is not free. Here, I think, is a subtle point that can be disputed. In general, it would be great if the Doom Shareware were recognized as public domain, taking into account its great social significance. I think all of the original Doom developers already said or implied that they don't mind if you get the game from other ways other than the "official ones". But of course the new releases are completely different things. Even then I think there should be a decent free community recreation at this point. But public domain isn't the same thing as free domain, if the shareware became public domain it would mean Doomguy, the imp, the zombies and the pinky could be used in commercial games without Bethesda's approval.
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Post by ketmar on Aug 18, 2024 19:54:36 GMT -5
i wonder if it is possible to sue beth/id for stolen cacodemon design.
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Post by Moonsweeper on Aug 18, 2024 21:48:13 GMT -5
If Hasbro tried, they would probably get something like "why didn't you do it 30 years ago?" and the case would be dismissed. But indeed Doom is full of stolen unedited assets, if they tried to sue a game which is a very clearly a Doom ripoff like Age of Hell they probably wouldn't win for that reason.
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Post by thelokk on Aug 23, 2024 7:06:40 GMT -5
Was taking a closer look at the id24 lumps, and I'd like to see if anyone has a better idea of what's possible with SBARDEF. I'm guessing it's something similar to SBARINFO and such? does it actually allow me to specify custom stat bars without having to replace graphic lumps? am I right in seeing it as the one actual useful new lump (along with the demo one I guess) or I'm just sniffing copium?
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Post by 40oz on Aug 23, 2024 7:20:01 GMT -5
new status bars wont stop me from playing with no hud at all so it doesnt really mean anything for me. this also likely means that a bunch of boom mappers are gonna love changing all the guns more than they already do with dehacked despite there already being an entire subculture of weapons mods in decorate that are way better than anything dehacked can do.
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Post by thelokk on Aug 23, 2024 7:52:54 GMT -5
That doesn't really answer my question at all. I was looking for a technical explanation: does this lump make it any easier to make custom statbars over the old graphic replacing method?
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Post by JadingTsunami on Aug 23, 2024 9:27:17 GMT -5
That doesn't really answer my question at all. I was looking for a technical explanation: does this lump make it any easier to make custom statbars over the old graphic replacing method? Short answer for right now, today: No. Longer answer: Not right now, but in the future, maybe? SBARDEF is a text representation of how to arrange a bunch of images and fonts to form something you would call a "status bar" in the Doom era or a HUD nowadays. You can specify some of these as having special properties like "this is how much ammo the player has right now for weapon X" or "light up when the player has X", but you still need to supply all the underlying assets yourself. And, at present, since there's no graphical tool to do all this that I'm aware of, you would need to arrange this all in plain text.
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Post by thelokk on Aug 23, 2024 9:48:02 GMT -5
That doesn't really answer my question at all. I was looking for a technical explanation: does this lump make it any easier to make custom statbars over the old graphic replacing method? Short answer for right now, today: No. Longer answer: Not right now, but in the future, maybe? SBARDEF is a text representation of how to arrange a bunch of images and fonts to form something you would call a "status bar" in the Doom era or a HUD nowadays. You can specify some of these as having special properties like "this is how much ammo the player has right now for weapon X" or "light up when the player has X", but you still need to supply all the underlying assets yourself. And, at present, since there's no graphical tool to do all this that I'm aware of, you would need to arrange this all in plain text. So yeah, still laborious as ever. Thanks, got it.
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Post by Gokuma on Aug 27, 2024 18:21:00 GMT -5
that "blackmail" was exactly what summarized in thread later: kraflab wrote that he knows some things essel told about him behind his back, and therefore he doesn't believe in essel's good intentions, or even neutrality. literally that. that's what DW moderators and their close… ahem… close… nevermind are calling "blackmail". "you should never know what we are really thinking about you, and you should never tell others that you know!" i have some such "blackmail" about me too, btw. it is not that hard, lol. Wow, so after Dynamo let PedOniriA off the hook without a ban, and his disgusting shit was quietly cleaned up, Dynamo banned Kraflab for saying he knows what shit Esselfartium have been talking behind his back. Way to go Dynamo, aiming high in life, making your ancestors proud. EDIT ADDITION: Also of note, all the nice things I called Tulsi here... Esseltaintium will never be a single one of those.
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Post by uhhhh on Aug 28, 2024 0:23:24 GMT -5
Will mappers actually map for this
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Post by camper on Aug 30, 2024 10:23:31 GMT -5
Will mappers actually map for this If Bethesda will pay them, then why not?
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Post by uhhhh on Aug 30, 2024 10:55:26 GMT -5
Will mappers actually map for this If Bethesda will pay them, then why not? I would hope they have better things to waste money on
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Post by redneckerz on Sept 11, 2024 1:34:19 GMT -5
Especially the bolded: Well, then.
Hey redneckerz , FUCK YOU and the horse you rode in on. I'm not sure why you have Bethesda and NightDive's collective dicks in your mouth, especially since you aren't benefitting financially from this shitshow. It's way more than a "vocal minority" that has concerns, despite how you are attempting to paint things. Tons of people already think this is bullshit, and when it makes the rounds and comes to everyone's attention, it's only gonna get worse. People have every right to be mistrustful and cast doubt. Shit likes this happens all the time in the video game industry and elsewhere, including WITH BETHESDA THEMSELVES, YOU FUCKING DUNCE! So what if it involves some people from the Doom community? Does that somehow make them immune to being pieces of shit and helping to usher in an objectively shitty new change to the Doom modding space? I could give a flying fuck about how long Xaser and Gooberman have been in the community. That doesn't mean shit to me. I don't automatically assume positive intent because these people have had an account on a Doom forum and fucked around in a wad editor for 20 years. I don't trust those cocksuckers at all. You posted your response about "community" on a Doomworld thread, bud. Doomworld is a site run by people who censor opposing viewpoints more stringently than Communist China and North Korea. Yet you act like any person who dares think that "community members" might be doing something nefarious is somehow way off base? Most of the Doomworld moderation team have been shown, time and time again, to be the most absolutely toxic, nasty, and immature people on the internet. Frankly, I think tenured and "seasoned" community members should be vetted much more thoroughly, if for no other reason than they've been stewing in the rancid Doomworld echo chambers and sniffing each others' farts for way too long. No one gives a fuck if you are disappointed, motherfucker. I hope you cry your dumb ass to sleep about it. This is, very obviously, a fucking stupid decision and a real dickhead move by Bethesda and id Software, with NightDive in tow. I'm going to be absolutely fucking thrilled when no one maps for this horseshit id24 mapping standard. And then morons like you are going to slink away and not make reference to it again, pretending you never cheerled it like a giddy fucking school-girl. But we'll remember your actions, enshrined forever as a shameful testament to your missing testicles.
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Post by trustanus on Sept 11, 2024 1:42:23 GMT -5
I detect an influx of estrogen. ID24 is for pussies after all.
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Post by uhhhh on Sept 11, 2024 9:03:41 GMT -5
Regardless this standard was implemented horribly.
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Post by redneckerz on Sept 11, 2024 11:44:36 GMT -5
Regardless this standard was implemented horribly. It was released too early, yes. But something something publisher something. Hopefully 1.0 addresses a lot of the criticisms.
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Post by ketmar on Sept 11, 2024 15:01:27 GMT -5
«we released unfinished shit, because we wanted our money. now eat it.» no, thank you, i'm not that hungry.
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Post by uhhhh on Sept 11, 2024 16:03:36 GMT -5
id24 should have not been released in a commercial port, it should have been transparent and it is kinda pointless because eternity, edge, k8vavoom and of course zdoom could already do this things. oh and dehacked should have been replaced at this point.
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Post by joe-ilya on Sept 11, 2024 16:28:51 GMT -5
«we released unfinished shit, because we wanted our money. now eat it.» no, thank you, i'm not that hungry. I hate when corporations do this kind of shit, completely sours the experience for me, even when it unfucks itself eventually. At least this rerelease didn't get hyped up, as is usually the practice with these kinds of things.
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Post by joe-ilya on Sept 11, 2024 16:30:31 GMT -5
I detect an influx of estrogen. ID24 is for pussies after all. They don't call him redknickerz for nothing.
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Post by Moonsweeper on Sept 11, 2024 22:34:55 GMT -5
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Post by trustanus on Sept 11, 2024 22:55:41 GMT -5
Shill baby shill! Notice me senpai Doomworld NSDAP.
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Post by ketmar on Sept 11, 2024 23:15:16 GMT -5
So even though it's buggy and incomplete you think they deserve a Cacoward for a technical achievement? asses will not lick themselves. somebody has to do it. p.s.: interesting observation. sourceport authors somehow don't run to give a cacoward for "technical achievement" to crap21. for some reason they are not happy. filthy bastards don't value The Great Gift given to them.
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Post by nnn✓ork on Sept 11, 2024 23:38:04 GMT -5
«we released unfinished shit, because we wanted our money. now eat it.» no, thank you, i'm not that hungry. Drunk post incoming. Btw, it's called 'short-termism', not 'capitalism'. It's really annoying and why I sold off all my Microsoft stock months back. They were the "decent" company but they decided to start pushing really bullshit "business" initiatives lately, which makes things really annoying for a few years. I'm not going to Windows 11. Apple (Macintosh) back in the day put free computers into schools which was a cool move. We need to get kids on Linux or something next. Elon Musk, where's your donor money, or did you lose it all.
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