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Post by thelokk on May 19, 2024 17:52:53 GMT -5
Late to the party, whatever. My two cents: No strong feelings in either direction. First, because I rarely dip out of the DBPs and the wads subforums in the first place; and, full disclosure, if the DBPs weren't here, I'd probably wouldn't bother with DB at all. I've been pretty transparent about who I am, and how little I fit with the general perception of the kind of Doomer the stereotypical DB member is supposed to be, but this has very little weight to my assessment, both in this case, and DB in general. Sure, being sold wholesale on the Kiwifarms meat market by a sad individual who clearly has deep seated issues in need to be sorted out wasn't the best experience I've lived within the Doom community, but a couple of outliers aside, the general DB content I have come in contact with ranges from the actually interesting ( Killer5 's drinks and music posts, Gokuma 's Strife stuff) to the inane but tolerable (most politik talk), to the trite and unfunny but ultimately harmless ( xeepeep signatures). I will admit I have a thicker skin than some concering some topics, and shit that would send notable DW trans members into orbit just sort of wash over me, and at most affords me my monthly shitpost. I prefer outright loath, to hypocritical tolerance until further notice. This said, if the concern is the forum's image *in general*, some cleanup would only do good in getting more people genuinely interested in Doom involved: not so much because of *insert ghost noises* "h5et speech so evul", but simply because most of the board's non-Doom content is very circular and, ultimately, redundant. Many frequent posters seem to have set themselves into a persona or skit, and use it time after time to occupy space with very little meaningful to contribute. To the external Doomer looking for an alternative to DW, the problem is not that DB looks like a hive of villainy; rather, it looks more like a geriatric home, with the usual crazy guy running around naked, the usual crazy guy spouting about the commies and trannies out to get him, the crazy guy who was banned from DW letting DW live rent-free in his head etc etc. I would welcome any measure that got the forums a bit "back on track" towards Doom. The wads subforums is a wasteland, and even the DBP themselves get little to no discussion once released. On the other hand, I'd also go lightly with the banhammer, as I am of the opinion that silencing should always be the very last resort.
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Post by SilverMiner on May 19, 2024 17:55:52 GMT -5
I think in the new subforum the concentration of stuff that could violate tos would be slightly higher than what can happen now, it's like in bathrooms with signs "pls dont piss on the floor" vs bathrooms without these signs.
From what I've seen so far on the forums, hot discussions happen in threads hardly related to doom, almost never or never happen in the db project threads. I feel that it's quite easy to predict if a thread contains stuff that might be offensive or it doesn't. Just avoid what you might not like, that should be enough
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Post by Gokuma on May 19, 2024 18:07:13 GMT -5
I'd also support the idea of making the DBP Development and Mapping Workshop subforums public. I think it would be a better look for the boards with outsiders seeing more people being more productive than is otherwise apparent. Often, especially during the workweek, the boards seem largely dead, while there is actually good positive activity going on there.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2024 18:08:04 GMT -5
You know, I was expecting something like this to happen, can't say I'm surprised. Oh well!
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Post by 40oz on May 19, 2024 18:16:16 GMT -5
Tribalism, animosity, resentments, othering etc etc. DB#2 would likely be infinitely worse than the way things are now because anyone that is part of DB#1 is going to be a target for a lot of those negative feelings, warranted or not. DB#1 will also have opinions of DB#2 that will almost certainly trend negative. It would generally just be separating people with two types of dispositions into camps of like minded individuals who will, over time validate and reinforce behaviors. It would make groups a far more prominent thing as opposed to individuals. I, like some others here (certainly not all) participate on both sides of things. I don't mind the shit flinging and insults. That is a normal comfortable environment for me. I've also been happy to help with the DBPs in the limited capacity I have and to also have serious conversations here. A situation like the one you are presenting has a realistic possibility of forcing people like myself to eventually have to "pick a team" so to speak. I think it would be far more preferable to keep the community here "whole" while just providing spaces for different needs within the existing framework. We are all here for different reasons after all. Doom is just an underlying commonality we all share to varying extents. Or at least most of us. Anyone who doesn't at least share that here is a bit suspicious to me and I know they're here. Thank you for your answer. A very good one too. My prediction is that people who harm the forum by saying ToS violating things, bullying people, and having to constantly talk about non-doom related topics that are harmful to marginalized groups, would probably find the experience of having to be secluded together with people that reflect their consistently negative interests very unpleasant. Acting on professed beliefs of hating the woke mob tends to require a genuine, positive, life force to suck the joy out of in order for it to be loud enough to be heard. If they're only being sarcastic, mean, and unfunny towards each other in a place where thats the only things people in there do, the comedy of it probably doesn't hold up. Anyone could just start a new forum and make rule #1 "No (insert any woke identity here) allowed" but I don't think people that make dick jokes and need to say fword nword rword all the time would simply go there just to say these words. I think a forum needs the prospect of sensitive people entering that territory in order for it have any relavence to the conversation. So if they have their perfect ethnostate here on the forum, they've succeeded right? They got what they wanted? That was the whole point of saying these assholish things? To make sure everyone who's a sensitive little snowflake gets the hell away? It's the kind of attitude I can understand and permit on the policy of having the right to speak it; comedically, or otherwise. But I've been seeing it emphasized here for too long. I think sometimes someone needs to see the fruits of their labor reflected back to them, but perhaps not in a very permanent, irreversible way. (e.g. a trial period of like 3 months or so.) For me, putting someone in a quarantine like dumbworld or banning them from the forum entirely is effectively communicating the same thing. "We don't want you to be able to talk to us" It's just if they are in dumbworld, they can still talk amongst each other, send PMs, maybe leave some contact information if they decide this forum isn't working out. Or they can change their attitude and try to salvage dumbworld and see if they can win people into it without my help. If they're banned, they're kicked off the platform totally without the chance to make a proper exit. I think this would also do just as you said -- instill resentment, targetted harrassment, and other negative feelings, except in one case these feelings would be invisible to everyone. In mine its not. So in the case that we all agree on 'fuck dumbworld, just ban instead' is this preferable because the survivors don't have to watch the victims' reaction? I've been pretending not to care through my inaction for a very long time so that people that need to be assholes and are not getting the reactions theyre craving might eventually just give up on the tough guy persona thing but its just not working. It's moving the needle towards asshole forum incrementally every time. These are the kinds of dillemmas I feel confronted with in this issue.
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Post by skyr on May 19, 2024 18:31:06 GMT -5
This is some great stuff, in my younger years would have loved to go to a rave of this. A bit dark with a dreamy/spacey atmosphere to it, having said it like that, it might seem it wouldnt work but actually creates a quite an unique mood to it, perfect for zoneing out it to, getting away from your problems, but with a slight undertone of still being aware of the problems, but in a way you still deal with the problems through the music. And after doing some research I also why I like it so much, Salem's early stuff was a precursor to cloudrap and early soundcloud rap (bones/seshollowaterboyz not the mumble rap bs). And it also reminded me a bit of a darker version of nuages - closer. It sounded familiar to me, now I know why. but, I hope it's almost over. Tomorrow gonna look at potential workplace and if everything is sound I part ways with my current workplace for good. I also forgot to respond to this. Fucking shit the promotion was just garbage and just left you with more bullshit, hopefully the new job you will be looking at will be something positive.
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Post by 40oz on May 19, 2024 18:44:38 GMT -5
if person have no hostilities toward me and is normal in general, why not try to establish a contact? If me and other people are fine with each other I'll listen them, always. This is a fine perspective up to a point. Lets say you meet someone. They're a man just like you. You have common interests. You like the same stuff, come from a similar background etc. However, this new friend also has their own friends/family, and a close family member of theirs is trans. If you express so adamantly your hatred for trans people, you're putting that new friend in a position of either avoiding you or being secretive about their friendship with you. They can like you for your commonalities, but if your hatred for trans people is so pure and concentrated, it would make this person extremely uncomfortable around you. They share blood with someone who is trans. They love their sibling very much. How can they peacefully like you without rejecting their own family member in the process? You never met this person's family member, and it now becomes in the new friend's interest to make sure their family member is never around you. They're forced to limit the time they spend with their family member for you. For your seething hatred. They have to hide you from their family. And if they get caught, that could put a rift with their own family member. It makes your trauma and your pain very difficult to empathize with, because this is creating a lot of baggage that other's have to live around. You're expelling hatred onto people whom you don't even know. You can say over and over that you do know what trans people are like and what they're up to, but you really don't. You didn't meet everyone, especially because by word of mouth they know to stay the hell away from you. You've only read some of their words over the internet, and you can't even validate if the words you read were 100% true. You've been farcical or sarcastic before haven't you? I have too. So can they. It's impossible to know.
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Post by skyr on May 19, 2024 18:47:00 GMT -5
'fuck dumbworld, just ban instead' is this preferable because the survivors don't have to watch the victims' reaction? For me its not about not seeing the reaction. More there should be real consequences otherwise why change ones behaviour if there are no consequences. Ofc I dont want somebody to be immediatly banned after they went too far, thats why the time-out were mentioned. You could do like a 3-strike system and every time out to be longer than the previous one. But after a certain point you just need to cut out the cancer. Maybe the time-out could be on dumbworld, so they can still dm people, but then again what good would it be for 1 person to be timed out, being by himself on dumbworld and just create threads only he can respond to because he is the only one on dumbworld. And preemptively putting people in dumbworld just wouldnt work because of the things said by stodgy.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2024 19:02:02 GMT -5
If you expect me to trade my principles for talks with someone who have transgenders in them family it aint gonna happen. I traded 'em once to fit into what Doom community was becoming and paid a terrible price for it. Nevermore. if somebody have a troon in them family I can only expess my condolences, should've treated the illness when they had time for prevent irreversible damage.
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Post by dn on May 19, 2024 19:48:53 GMT -5
Let's look at a little
1) Ancient History
and see if anyone can learn anything from it.
I've been around this community for a long time. You could take any four members from this forum and add their years of service together: I'd bet money that I've been around for longer.
During this time I've been an active participant in at least six doom forums: the old green legacy boards (circa 1998?), newdoom, doomcenter, doomworld, the Vets, and DB.
I've seen a lot of shit. And I've seen the sort of shit moderating decisions that killed these boards.
Legacy died when they switched hosts to newdoom. We were assured that the boards would continue to operate away from the newdoom umbrella, but that, of course, turned out to be bullshit. Wmull (retard) was attempting to create a competing empire, something akin to Planet(insert game here), with a stable of forums for various Raven and FPS titles. Of course, being a retard, he struggled to actually populate his forum with living bodies, so he sniped other boards with offers to host their projects, then closed down their respective forums to force people to use his butt-ugly monkey-coded website.
Some people went along with it. I was young, but I still railed (with little elocution) against Hurdler's decision to close down the legacy boards. It was, I claimed, a mistake. Ultimately I was proved correct, because – as will become a fucking chorus over the course of this dissertation – darknation is always right.
I moved over to newdoom, because most of my friends went there – a few filtered over to doomworld, which was basically a Something Awful satellite site at that point. And problems immediately became apparent, because SA was in the midst of one of its periodic troll wars, and people were getting banned for Reasons of Utmost Faggotry. These people would then filter over to doomworld, only to be instantly banned (Ling was SA – I don't know if he was a mod, but he certainly wrote a few articles for them), and then they moved to newdoom.
This meant that SA's least successful trolls washed up with the old legacy crew, who didn't much like the look of what they saw, and we immediately decided to kill each other. And – because doomworld banned them – there was a lot of antagonism and shit-flinging between ND and DW.
The participants in these wars are, I suppose, unimportant. I suspect at least half of them were King ReOL puppeteering various accounts in an attempt to make himself look like he had friends. He was, at last, banned by wmull – by this point I had set myself up as his retarded attack dog, and I pretty much baited ReOL into suiciding his account. I photocopied my own asshole, with derogatory remarks written in marker pen about ReOL's mother on both butt-cheeks, and mailed it to him. it caused him to finally shit himself so hard (psychologically speaking) that wmull had no choice other than to ban him.
For the good of the forum, of course.
At this point things were getting fucky for wmull, financially speaking. His only useful website was newdoom, because he had a habit of backing the wrong horses; the other games he decided to focus on died on release or simply had no active userbase. I forget the reasons, but there was talk of pay-gating the website, or some such asinine motherfuckery, and the userbase rebelled. I, especially, rebelled, mostly because without ReOL I had nothing to do other than bite the hand that fed me.
So I called wmull a faggot and lolled out of there.
That, I think, was the *actual* day newdoom died. A few people stayed: Doomdude and a few others, but the exodus ruined what little traffic and engagement the site had. The forum would, of course, finally meet it's demise when deathz0r & the #doom crew figured out wmull's admin password (PASSWORD1 or some fucking thing like that – he really was a retard) and used his admin privileges to burn his stupid website to the fucking ground.
That one was *not* my fault. I wasn't anywhere near #doom at the time, and I have fucking witnesses.
What *might* have been my fault was the death of doomcenter. I moved there after wmull's unrepentant dumbfuckery became too much for my delicate sensibilities to bear. Again, a lot of the diaspora from the newdoom apocalypse joined me – a few went to doomworld, although the ND – DW antagonism still remained, and I was reluctant to nail my colours to that ship of faggotry (yet). And I actually got along well with Bigdog, and soon fell into my old routine.
SA had, by this point, instituted a paygate (which is probably where wmull got the idea from): banned members could simply pay Lowtax boxwine money and have their account reinstated, meaning that ReOL was busy buying our dearly derparted leader a fucking winery and getting progressively more psychotic with every fucking cheque that cleared. Eventually, he was banned permanently for reasons I can't really remember (lol) and so he moved back to his one true love, which was making shit doom maps, and rejoined doomworld. Who promptly banned him again.
And so he came to doomcenter. And this I would not stand.
What followed was an SA invasion fleet the likes of which was seldom seen; if you ever find an old SA goon, ask them about ReOL. He was a lolcow before we had even imagined there could be such a thing. And, so determined were we to milk his silly little udders and drive him into a cataclysmic carpet-biting rage, that doomcenter accidently burned to the ground. The shitposting from a thousand goons actually ruined the forum, you couldn't see anything doom-related, the forum was ankle-deep in fucking goatse. The place got fucked up, the servers pretty much melted, everyone and everything was banned and BigD just said “fuck it” and shut the fucking place down because recovery was impossible.
King ReOL's brain broke. He now rides elevators for 11 viewers on youtube, a broken husk of a man.
I said that this might have been my fault, but really, my association with the SA crowd was minimal at best (pretty sure this was during the chanology raids, but I could be misremembering. Opsec / multiple accounts were SOP – it kept Lowfag in boxwine). If I was a paranoid motherfucker, I'd wonder if one of Ling's smurfs had been involved in the Burning of Doomcenter.
It's a possibility. I have overestimated my powers in the past.
Regardless, I was now in with the SA crowd, so I packed my bags and moved to doomworld. It worked out really, really well.
2) Lessons from Ancient History
What killed these three forums?
1 – Legacy: Moving the forum. Shifting sites, hosts, whatever creates diaspora. And it creates utter, utter resentment: this forum is our motherfucking home. It's bad enough being moved from your comfy home into some fucking ad-mill: worse when someone who actively hates you decides you are persona non grata and moves you from your rightful lands onto some fucking reservation. This has happened to me too many fucking times now and I will not be moving again.
2 – Newdoom: Weak administration. If wmull had been less of a fucking retard then shit would never have gotten so out of hand. Forums are not a democracy: they can have the trappings of them here and there, but ultimately the admin is a dictator and the forum is a dictatorship. And weak dictators get assassinated and replaced.
For the record, because it has been mentioned above, I have ZERO FUCKING INTEREST IN BEING A FUCKING ADMIN. I have zero fucking interest in ventilating caesar either. My interest is preserving my fucking home. And 40, you have been weak: if I wanted to, I could have ripped this place out from under your nose, and there would have been nothing you can do about it.
As I said, zero fucking interest. But you'd better be really fucking careful installing these Bright Young Things into any position of moderating power, because they love power. You install a fucking essel or any one of these giggling uWu fucks and that's you gone.
3 – Doomcenter: yeah, probably not too much to be learned from that one, other than don't let dn mod for you. If you were desperate for a lesson, I'd put it down to competing forums and competing power structures: discord, in this day and age, is an especially bad idea for reasons I've said before but bear repeating: Discord creates competing power and moderating structures that will split forums into civil fucking war, because the Discord Diaperfags are just a fucking tranny aristocracy waiting to happen.
This is already way too fucking long, so I'm going to split the post and get back to it later. There is a point to all this.
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Post by 40oz on May 19, 2024 20:08:03 GMT -5
You have the floor, my man. Please continue when you're next available.
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on May 19, 2024 20:40:02 GMT -5
If they're banned, they're kicked off the platform totally without the chance to make a proper exit. I think this would also do just as you said -- instill resentment, targetted harrassment, and other negative feelings, except in one case these feelings would be invisible to everyone. In mine its not. With the former you are not housing them next to those they may grow to resent, including yourself. Ultimately does your responsibility lay with them or the rest of the site? Or even with yourself? I think allowing for a more graceful exit doesn't need to be off the table either. Granting some time where they can still pm others to not lose contact. Considerations to not sever someones social links I think is a positive thing. Some would abuse that I'm sure but no real harm there. A sort of side note but for the sake of transparency I will be completely honest that the reputation this site has that keeps the "woke" away has been refreshing for me since it's almost impossible to avoid online. The cultural zeitgeist is shifting though so hopefully all that crap cools down soonish anyway. I expect the odds are pretty good that I'll eventually be back to complaining about the cultural stranglehold conservative Christians have sometime while I'm still above ground. You going to start a Doom history class dn? If so I'm in.
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Post by thelokk on May 20, 2024 0:51:52 GMT -5
Sorry 40oz , but I think it should be pretty clear from a few of the latest replies from the usual suspects that, save for the DBP sub, this place is basically unsalvageable - activity on an online forums is probably the lowest item on the list of issues they should be sorting out, both online and offline. Do what thou wilt, I'll stick around for the projects for however much breath they got left in them.
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Post by dn on May 20, 2024 3:16:47 GMT -5
You going to start a Doom history class dn? If so I'm in. It's the only way I can think of to present this fucking hard-earned wisdom in a manner that won't drive me bullshit. I could say "Splitting the forum is fucking retarded and will kill it", but what will that achieve? Instead, here's an example. I could say "These hypocrite DW fucks are not your friends and want you dead yet you still imagine you can replace your existing userbase with them?" Instead, here's an example. PART II – Doomworld B.C.<dn> whats the point in saving quotes? <Quasar> dn: it's like taking photos of people IRL. <dn> I wouldnt want photos of retards I wasn't going to go into #doom / #zdoom, but – again, it has relevance with the competing power structures – I've decided there are lessons to be learned there too. Apparently, I joined DW in 2000, but I wasn't a regular poster on the forums by any means, I just went round for the bi-monthy ND – DW shit-flinging contest. I suppose I started frequenting the IRC channels around that time. The culture around IRC was an entirely different beast from that of the forums, it was wilder, zero filter locker-room mentality. The internet back then has been compared to the wild west, and that's about as fitting an analogy as anything. The people in charge of the rooms at that point were mostly the same as the staff on DW – it was probably a testing ground for potential moderators, because no one cared if you fucked up the IRC channel. The IRC channel was already fucked, it was a feature. Two bans a night per-person, no exceptions. You'd ban people for comedy purposes. You'd get yourself banned for comedy purposes. You'd mod people for a laugh just to watch them go fucking hog-wild with the ban button. Ban ban chocolate I mean ban. And other, darker, shit was going on. And we can illustrate that, let's tell a story. See, when people are hidden behind a mask of anonymity, there are two things that can happen in the real-time environment of IRC (as opposed to the more curated presentation of a person in a forum): the first is that people go fully mask-off, and reveal the real person underneath. Combined this with no (or very little) moderation, and the results are people speaking their mind. I like to think that I am one of those people: it's probable that it's the opposite, that I adopted the internet persona of Ancient Lovecraftian Horror, and somehow grew into that person IRL. Regardless, the spoken minds of the autistic are fucked-up swamps. Here be fucking monsters. The second thing that can happen is that people – miserable, fucked up people – decide to become someone else. They lie and cover-up their real identity, pretend to be someone they are not. Big Bad Gangsta was a seven-foot tall black man on the internet, when in reality he turned out to be mostly ginger. Ralphis was an athletic jock, when – as any fule kno – Ralphis is fat. Ling is smart and handsome and intellegent. And Auxios decided he was a woman called Katarhyne. I am lucky, because I fucking despise “women” on the internet. Any doom-related post that begins “speaking as a woman” is automatically posted into the trash. It's attention seeking whoredom, and it will not service you with me. I do not need to know your gender: either your opinion interests me, or it does not. Appending “I am a woman look at meeeee” in an attempt to make your vapid fuckwitted take palatable to a wider audience simply annoys me. And leveraging your sex in a male-dominated space in an attempt to garner unearned power? You've engaged in transactional behaviour. You're a whore. And this is when we are dealing with real women (of which there are precisely two in the community). Auxios (or however the fucking name was spelled) was not a real woman, although he was an attention seeking whore. And, by god, did he get attention. Definitely from Ling and certain moderators, amongst others. Not all of them: Quasar was too busy sperging out wondering why his fucking cat hated him and shaving / burning off his leg hair, and Bloodshedder was too reptilian to remember to blink sometimes. But there were definitely others engaged in this larp. Fraggle is a probable mark. It had been ongoing for quite some time when I was getting established in the DW swamp; I imagine it started with basic “tee hee I'm a woman and I have sex,” but it had escalated to utter degeneracy, as these things are wont to do. This week Katarhyne was incesting her brother – next week she'd fucked her dog for Ling's mental fap folder. Someone out there has the #doom IRC logs. I suspect BS definitely does, because his peculiar brand of cold-blooded autism and data-hoarding go hand-in-hand. I wish to god I had thought to take a copy of it all back in the days of the Vets, because releasing that shit would be like dropping a nuclear fucking BOMB on the fucking cuck-cabal. It's still out there, on someone's forgotten hard-drive. Gathering dust, tick-tocking away. Of course, “Katarhyne” got outed as a fat neckbeard eventually. Reactions varied from Niggerlicious to Excellent Ruse Bro to fucking Tragically Pathetic: one long term forum member (whose name escapes me) made one final, desperate plea against the universe itself because he was in love with Katarhyne you see, and say it isn't so, she's a real women who fucks dogs and her father but he can fix her and, by the living Christ, I think he might have died of cringe. Oh, it was Heinemann. I imagine his mummified corpse is still in front of his keyboard; I imagine the gun is still welded to his shrivelled paw. This was the first troon-related radiation leak on DW. And it's not even the fucking worst one. Part II - Lessons to be learned1) See the above comments, re: There are No Women on the Internet. Your gender means precisely fuck all in this environment. You get no special privileges. Islam was right about Zoe Quinn. 2) IRC is not a very smart place. And the differences in people's behaviour when they are forced to react instantly, rather than the “curated personality” (damn, that's a fine line) they present when using forum software is... stark. (I'd imagine Twitter somehow managed to combine the worst of both worlds). You think that the boards are a lawless fucking disaster zone, and tremble at the criticism of these gooning Discord hypocrites? You fear the judgement of those who present a public face of “SOCIAL JUSTICE SOCIAL RIGHTS” whilst privately cheering on as “Katarhyne” chokes down dog dick? There are not enough asteroids in the universe to cleanse the fucking planet of these people. It could rain meteors for ten thousand years into the discord server farms and still I would cry for more. 3) Always keep receipts.
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Post by CittyKat112 on May 20, 2024 4:50:19 GMT -5
This thread is becoming way too long and I can already sense that nothing is going to change, AS ALWAYS. When will you get a grip, 40oz? Just find a moderator, set some clear and transparent rules with a 3-strike system just like skyr proposed and be done with it. Mute or ban retards who contribute nothing to the forum and only clog up the threads with their bullshit like Xeep or that idiot with Pikachoo as his pfp. At this point it should be clear that there's no other way you can go about this. Biz, Bob and Stodgy brought up some really good points as to why you shouldn't create Doomer Boards 2.0 for delinquents - it will only result in idiots to revel in their retardation even more while growing resentful of those who weren't forced to live in a reservation. Initially I was thinking it might be a good idea, but after reading some of the replies I've realized it'll only cause more harm. Ask yourself a question: what's the main attraction for people who don't come here to bitch about their ban on DW or shitpost? Of course it's DBPs. And that in my opinion should be the main focus. Open up the DBP development threads for non-registered users, enforce new rules and start actually moderating for once or find somebody who can. Instead you keep yammering on about how cruel it would be to ban someone as if you're talking about cutting ties with someone IRL. Wake up man, getting banned from a forum isn't end of the world.
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Post by xeepeep on May 20, 2024 5:53:35 GMT -5
Well dumbworld just did get expanded, to a quite significant degree, if I may say so myself. But when I say dumbworld, I mean my asshole, of course. The shit I just took was so massive it took three flushes to go away, and a fourth one to scrub the shit residue off the toilet bowl. That's probably tens of liters of drinking water, an immeasurably valuable and increasingly scarce resource used up on transporting my fecal matter. Trololololol!
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2024 6:03:50 GMT -5
![](https://i.vgy.me/i1aDsd.png) Doomerboards has fallen, billions must delete their accounts.
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Post by 40oz on May 20, 2024 6:45:56 GMT -5
Very well.
I know I don't come off this way in times like these, but I am a very patient and understanding person. My processing style around this is unorthodox and sounds very angry and authoratative for some inane reason I don't fully understand, but I've taken in all of your thoughts, ideas, suggestions, I mulled it over and slept on it and I've decided I won't move forward with my proposal.
What this does bring to light is that Doom-community related PTSD is unquestionably real. Even for me. I'm truly sorry I had to activate it for some of you in this way.
As far as any actionable steps, I'm going to put a pin in this and consider what people have said here instead.
I want to add some clarity to the fact that this thread was not at all inspired by doomworld's moderatorship in any way. It's from, what I perceive to be, a lack of compassion and understanding for one another that keeps doomer boards mappers and a safe place to express themselves divided. I have more to add to explain where I'm coming from but I don't have the time for it at this very moment and will have to comeback to complete this thought later.
Truth be told, I'm not really in any position to be doing this. The job of forum moderation fell into my hands, but I'm a map designer, tester, and project leader. I'd like someone else to take this job but I also want to remind everyone who's been hurt by doomworld that I don't have access to any essels, rd's or dew's here. All of my doom related contacts are pretty much entirely centralized here. So if someone has any answers to how encourage and cultivate a better culture here I'd like to interview you with anything you have in mind so I can better accommodate the people that participate here.
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CittyKat112
Doomer
Kitty cat one hundred and twelve
Posts: 804
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Post by CittyKat112 on May 20, 2024 7:04:54 GMT -5
Very well. I know I don't come off this way in times like these, but I am a very patient and understanding person. My processing style around this is unorthodox and sounds very angry and authoratative for some inane reason I don't fully understand, but I've taken in all of your thoughts, ideas, suggestions, I mulled it over and slept on it and I've decided I won't move forward with my proposal. What this does bring to light is that Doom-community related PTSD is unquestionably real. Even for me. I'm truly sorry I had to activate it for some of you in this way. As far as any actionable steps, I'm going to put a pin in this and consider what people have said here instead. I want to add some clarity to the fact that this thread was not at all inspired by doomworld's moderatorship in any way. It's from, what I perceive to be, a lack of compassion and understanding for one another that keeps doomer boards mappers and a safe place to express themselves divided. I have more to add to explain where I'm coming from but I don't have the time for it at this very moment and will have to comeback to complete this thought later. Truth be told, I'm not really in any position to be doing this. The job of forum moderation fell into my hands, but I'm a map designer, tester, and project leader. I'd like someone else to take this job but I also want to remind everyone who's been hurt by doomworld that I don't have access to any essels, rd's or dew's here. All of my doom related contacts are pretty much entirely centralized here. So if someone has any answers to how encourage and cultivate a better culture here I'd like to interview you with anything you have in mind so I can better accommodate the people that participate here. Ok, maybe give me a moderator role if nobody else wants to volunteer for it, or idk maybe make people vote for it or simply message the ones you think are worthy to fulfill this role? I think StodgyAyatollah and SilverMiner are good candidates even though SilverMiner doesn't care enough to ban people or delete/edit shitposts (in case they're pointless spam or violate tos). I'm really fucking tired of the way this forum is run and I can see it getting less and less activity if things aren't going to change.
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dn
Body Count: 02
the motherfucking darknation
Posts: 1,758
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Post by dn on May 20, 2024 9:57:34 GMT -5
I've thought about expanding the mod team, especially when the admin was AWOL.
Frankly I don't trust anyone here not to be a fucking retard with moderation power. I've seen nothing from anyone recently that convinces me otherwise - it's a very particular skillset - and I've really fucking thought about it. This is not a personal slight on (some) of you guys, but the only fucking way I'd be giving you the keys to the nuclear option is if my gut says so.
Those members I'd consider good mod candidates would never fucking use the button. Which defeats the whole purpose.
I hoped I'd have more time to finish this trip through Really Fucking Bad Community Decisions circa 1997-2024, but I'll be honest, I suspect 40 has already decided what he is going to do (we would have hit that same exact same conundrum when we reached Doomworld, 2015 onwards), and this thread is just a performative survey. Game's rigged, even if he has convinced himself otherwise. I was hoping that maybe a solution could be found in those reminiscences, but that's probably bullshit. I do eulogies for dead doomers, and now I'm writing one for the whole fucking community.
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I will say right now that I not be a part of any decision that results in forcing people off their land and onto the reservation. That's the decision that got us into this fucking place to begin with, we're already out of zion and into the fucking slums of Palestine. There is nowhere left to go but into the sea.
If you create two separate forums, split between the tards and the tard-not, then I am fucking gone. I will not moderate for a board with two separate drinking fountains. We already get that treatment from elsewhere, we're already the Niggers of Doom. The idea that you can turn Uncle Tom, and maybe some Hypothetical Mystery Doomers will let you sleep in the kennel instead of the bushes, is deeply fucking depressing.
That's not PTSD: that's Stockholm syndrome.
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Deleted
Deleted Member
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2024 10:04:00 GMT -5
Gonna drop this and depart. I think I've hit my low bottom again. But this time I do not want to ever bother trying to stand up and fight anymore.
Last few months of my life were atrocius and I'm overburned and exhausted to the point that my inner hatred for everything start breaching the borders of my self-restraints. It doesn't help that, despite all effort I put into betterment of myself as a person trying my best to do the right stuff irl I get punished for this. It doesn't matter what I do or plan to, it ends up the same. I've done something, I put my soul into it, I get nothing but negative back. It was like this before, but this time it's too much to handle it on my own and I can't handle it, everything ultimately falls apart and what happens irl is the cause of this, mainly. That being said I'm about to depart for good for now. That means I'm gonna drop off from here,[ from Farms and what discord servers I've hanged out in, my socials, everything. I don't get better, my art skills are in stalemate because my irl job took everything from me for a while, leaving me overburned and unwilling to do anything. I did an art piece yesterday however, but this one was made to just piss off some people even if I had no intentions of that sort.
Still alone at my 30, the only friend I have is my own brother and that's about it. Basically my live and my art endeavors are of the value of absolute zero. Therefore, why bother trying, why even bother to do something, right? I need to sort myself and what I do out. Whenever I'll become happy living or deceased you'll get to know that. I'll make sure of that.
Farewell.
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dn
Body Count: 02
the motherfucking darknation
Posts: 1,758
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Post by dn on May 20, 2024 10:47:00 GMT -5
I'd ban you (again) for suicide baiting (TOS: Self-Harm), but it seems redundant.
Don't come back or post until you've sorted yourself out.
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Post by MegaPancakeStrategist on May 20, 2024 11:40:59 GMT -5
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skyr
Doomer
pocket full of rocket fuel and pyramid stones
Posts: 264
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Post by skyr on May 20, 2024 12:14:13 GMT -5
If even in a different universe he'd be unbanned, do you think he'd come back?
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NuMetalManiak
Doomer
Elite Rustler (not related to Puga)
Posts: 104
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Post by NuMetalManiak on May 20, 2024 14:10:25 GMT -5
joe's discord server (now known as Doom Universe basically to distance itself from DB after his ban) is basically completely inactive. No activity whatsoever although some gimps show up from time to time they never post (not even the usually obligatory pornspam bots go after his server). The last post he made was about a month ago (4/24/24), and the last actual piece of content posted was 3 months ago (about WRATH, at the end of February).
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