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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2024 8:52:20 GMT -5
When a version of doomer boards forum is limited to the people who often need to include racist/homophobic/transphobic stereotypes in their posts, will people go to doomer boards to hang out with them? Will people want to register to it? Will they stay for long? Yes? You'd be surprised how well it turned out for my favorite agrarian forum when one canadian paedophilic pastel colors identifying retard have been doing not only fetish porn but also feeding minors with bathtub-brewed, AIDS riddled HRT and grooming, "pinkpiling" underage boys into transgenderism. When it got to be known by Farms there come a lot of attacks on the forum, which only let to place get enforced and more prepared for attacks of degenerates, got more media coverage than Null could've ever dreamed of, eventually the poerpetrators start getting outted for what they are. And frankly, thousands of lurkers and normies started to become aware of how things really are. That includes the "celebrities" of Doom community, such as Marisa the magician that just happened to be a pedophile. Funny coincidence considering this faggot (yes I dare and I have all the right here to call him that) been calling me a pedo, only to evidently slip off and admit he fucked a minor, that he saw nothing wrong in be friends with a literal pedophile that, o irony, ratted him out. Or shall I remind you about John "Daikatana to make you my bitch" Romero who, you'd never guess, been participating in hbomberguy's stream aimed for "charity donations" to bri*ish org that was what american prostasia is, a lioteral pedophile lobby that doesn't even try to hide it's morbid nature these days, at fuckin' all. My point is, sometimes desyntesyzed, non-clean conversations offer more insight and interest to people than sterile, always-non-offending brainlet convos that are being constantly moderated by a buncha fags in drag. Do I need to explain more to ya or you'll get the memo? I'll have to depart for now, need to buy some groceries and meet a few friends, that's a matter of few hours. When I'll return I'll deconstruct your OP for actual. If I'll find myself banned I'll adress the issue on farms and there under new profile. You'll fuckin' gotta know it when it'll happen.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2024 9:08:07 GMT -5
Alternatively you can write me out a letter in Discord @thetaintedslav and I'll respond to you. You have to have mutual servers with me tho, or send a friend request. Otherwise get rekt.
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Post by Gokuma on May 19, 2024 9:34:18 GMT -5
Ya'all need some enlightenment in your lives, bitches!
Just something I have to take issue with this video, is it needs to better balance absolute morality and relative morality with harmonizing, and observing the mistakes of history.
Basic absolute morality that this is right and that is wrong, may be a lower level of thinking by itself. But relative morality without it, that "oh because others are doing it, it's fine for me to", becomes absolutely demented and evil at times.
Example: First Church of Woke type people grooming and indoctrinating kids, including people who have no sick pedo type attraction themselves and simply think they're being moral, open-minded, accepting of people who are different, and cultivating that in others. Unfortunately, many of these with innocent good intentions, are in fact awful role models and sending kids too young to understand down bad paths and making them vulnerable to the truly heinous ones. There's obviously many heinous ones posing as moral, as one after another LGBT leaders are being busted for crimes against minors. Any decent LGBT groups left need to be private support groups, not public pride demonstrations targeting kids. The only one I can understand be rightfully public is "Gays Against Groomers" (who consequently had their paypal and venmo accounts suspended until it looked bad for the company).
Absolute morality can also be evil by itself as well, such as fathers honor-killing their own daughters believing it moral to do so.
Many going by absolute morality or by relative morality by themselves on either side, end up being unwittingly or also knowingly evil. Maybe some of these people can be reached, but many are too stupid, or brainwashed, or stuck in their ways, some almost as bad as but not to be confused with those who are truly just evil to the bone and manipulate and pose however to get what they want without being detected as such.
The closest thing to any answer is just trying to balance things overall which may be very difficult, and drawing some absolute lines. And sometimes or a lot of times you just have to let things play out, acting accordingly when it's wise to. You can't always say those people are like that because of the culture in their region, environment, what they've been through, etc. Sometimes you have to say, OK, that is beyond fucked and obviously wrong, no matter where. Or sometimes OK, that's not really wrong per say, but definitely not a good role model. There's things are that aren't really wrong, but shouldn't be encouraged. And there's things there's no sane excuse to tolerate.
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Post by skyr on May 19, 2024 10:13:07 GMT -5
Have you ever wondered why, I wonder... Right, you haven't, cuz nobody does. I told why tis the case once and barely to no soul have listened 'ere. On Farms tho... Unless it is about when you were falsley accused of being a pedo and removed by the community by marissa, major arlene and the gang, which I agree is fucking insane and completely unfair that it happend to you, especially when it came out that marissa was a pedo himself and there were stll talks to keep him in the community, yeah I understand why that makes you fucking mad. If it isnt that yeah then I dont know. But you arent the only one who has been kicked out of community or dealing with trauma's because how you have been treated by your peers and you still have friends irl, have friends on the farms (where you have discussed how fucked it was how the doomworld community treated you and they helped with it) and you can still have a community to partake in doom here, but instead the only thing you do is hate. I wish I knew you better than an ugly russian ex-military who is hateful, but I dont, because thats your only presence here. You're so obsessed about what a man is, so be fucking one, process that trauma of being unfairly treated by doomworld, talk about it, deal with it and stop acting like a 16 year old girl on her period. And I am pretty sure people even wanted to discuss what happend to you here but you had a meltdown and didnt want to talk about, but I am too lazy to find that thread again. And unless all of this isnt the case why you are so fucking hatefull, shoot me a dm to talk about how fucked you find it that you have been treated like that by doomworld, otherwise just stfu and stop using it like an excuse like a bitch. If it is something different, you can still shoot me a dm And for the people who disagree with 40oz plans, what is the alternative? Just do nothing and hope that db doesnt get deleted and if it does just "lmao I didnt do anything doom related anyways so I dont give a shit if one of the longest running and much appraised wad series gets ended and the people who want to dicuss doom dont have a place anymore" That would be fucking retarded.
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Post by Gokuma on May 19, 2024 10:23:40 GMT -5
I nominate retrofps.boards.net/ as a backup. EDIT: I mean if something happened to these boards. Not as an anything goes warzone for people to go nuts. Kontra I think everything reorganized into so many subsubforums the way it is now, makes it a pain to navigate and find posts. It would be better to change it back how it was. The best solution, is for everyone to cool their jets on their language a bit (I myself did say "fucking" today but not directed at anyone here) and not argue so pointlessly. Pick your battles and choose wisely. Don't needlessly escalate.
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Post by skyr on May 19, 2024 10:36:59 GMT -5
The best solution, is for everyone to cool their jets on their language a bit (I myself did say "fucking" today but not directed at anyone here) and not argue so pointlessly. Pick your battles and choose wisely. Don't needlessly escalate. This is fair. I wont edit my previous message, but I will leave a genuine open invitation for tainted slave to talk about his unfair treatment by doomworld
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on May 19, 2024 11:01:52 GMT -5
I don't write a lot of words for nothing. In the very first post here, I asked for volunteers to help me moderate this place. Up to this post, not a single person has offered yet. Because no one wants to moderate for an admin who literally fucks off for months at a time with no explanation, then comes back with a grand scheme to fucking assassinate half his active user base. "Hey guys, can you help me with these hornets" *starts kicking hornets nest* Just moderate and ban people instead of making a zoo, lol? The answer is that simple. A forum will never moderate itself beyond bare minimum. Just don't make a goddamn hugbox like everything else turns into.
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Post by 40oz on May 19, 2024 11:43:29 GMT -5
The answer is that simple. A forum will never moderate itself beyond bare minimum. Just don't make a goddamn hugbox like everything else turns into. It doesnt sound like youre seeing this all the way through. If im reading correctly, the opposition to having doomer boards #1 and doomer boards #2 is that it results in some people being isolated from the rest. Presumably, part of the need to say things that make people feel bad is that they need to be close to people that receive that pain. With my proposal, they could still post at will and say the things they need to say. but others would have the privelege of it not being jammed into doom related places they want to read if it harms them to read it. Alternatively, you and the post you are quoting are telling me i should ban 'people,' unidentified people, hornets if you will, and leave me and dn up to our discretion to decide who those people are. Considering that doomer boards is effectively probably the lowest rung in the hierarchy of doom communities with the lowest barrier of entry -- this is a very personalized act of isolation.
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Post by CittyKat112 on May 19, 2024 13:29:37 GMT -5
Know what, fuck it, clone and split the forum. Doomerboards #1 and Doomerboards #2. Let's have apartheid, that's always good. My sole condition is as follows: *we* keep the doomerboards name. The new superclean soyboards can be called whatever you want, but *we* keep the original name. It's not yours. You don't get to abandon your adminship and wander off into the wilderness for a year, then suddenly reappear and pull... whatever this shit is. That's fair. I think this is the best solution, Doomer Boards stays the same and 40oz gets his own version of Doomer Boards without blackjack and hookers but with stricter moderation. What do you think 40oz? The only problem I have with this is how do we go about it development of DBPs? I mean obviously most of the people who are not fond of this idea are the same people who only visit this forum to shitpost and never contribute anything to the DBPs.
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on May 19, 2024 13:31:56 GMT -5
If im reading correctly, the opposition to having doomer boards #1 and doomer boards #2 is that it results in some people being isolated from the rest. For some I'm sure it is but for me it's not. It's how people tend to behave when divided into groups. There's a reason division is used as a tool by so many existing power structures. I also think it would be a logistical nightmare you really don't need to burden yourself with. Presumably, part of the need to say things that make people feel bad is that they need to be close to people that receive that pain. With my proposal, they could still post at will and say the things they need to say. but others would have the privelege of it not being jammed into doom related places they want to read if it harms them to read it. It certainly is for many but it's also because some people are just assholes by nature, yet others still come from an environment where that is the norm. This is why I suggested different levels of moderation for different sub-forums and perhaps a bit of restructuring of them to facilitate that as an option if this is absolutely something you want to try. Why make all the work of splitting things and having essentially a whole separate forum to setup and moderate when it's a very small minority of people that only shit things up. Just having some sub forums where it's permissible is really all you would need imo. Alternatively, you and the post you are quoting are telling me i should ban 'people,' unidentified people, and leave me and dn up to our discretion to decide who those people are. Considering that doomer boards is effectively probably the lowest rung in the hierarchy of doom communities with the lowest barrier of entry -- this is a very personalized act of isolation. If you essentially create a separate forum then you are just creating a lower rung yet. I look at things this way. If you find out someone in your small tribal village is destroying your food stocks or selling your supplies to the enemy you have to excise them. There is no real choice. Same should go for people who knowingly and especially repeatedly endanger the site. No one has to like it but there are times it needs to be done. Like putting down a dog that has a penchant for biting children. It's an irreconcilable incompatibility. Just because we don't want things to be like dw doesn't mean that everything should be permitted. The important distinction should be how things are ran. Personally I think just a willingness to ban people when necessary will resolve a lot of the issues you are citing. It certainly shouldn't be done for ambiguous reasons and I'm all for giving people second chances but there's no real way to avoid it, which honestly feels like a lot of this is about.
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Post by Bob Page on May 19, 2024 13:46:05 GMT -5
I know I certainly wouldn't want to moderate a forum that I didn't actually own free and clear. It has to be tough to ensure compliance with the ToS while simultaneously making sure the members are having fun and don't feel as though they are being stifled or censored. I think ultimately that there likely isn't going to be any secret undiscovered moderation technique that hasn't been tried. Sometimes if certain individuals aren't playing by the rules, and you've had a reasonable conversation with them about how their behavior needs to change with no luck, placing them in time-out is an effective next step before an outright ban. If you create an entire separate forum where they can have a blast after they've acted against forum regulations, in a way you are rewarding their behavior, not punishing it. They will have no impetus to change their behavior. They'll continue to act up and view the moderators/admins as weak and unwilling to enforce the supposed rules.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2024 14:28:21 GMT -5
Unless it is about when you were falsley accused of being a pedo and removed by the community by marissa, major arlene and the gang, which I agree is fucking insane and completely unfair that it happend to you, especially when it came out that marissa was a pedo himself and there were stll talks to keep him in the community, yeah I understand why that makes you fucking mad. That's quite an important but not the only reason why. These accusations go way beyond Doom community and that's fucking nasty. Retroservers are intervined, there's not much you can do when lies start to spread. Have I had to know how far these lies went I'd have acted in fucking time but when I did act? Well it was way too late than it should've been adressed. My fault at that. Again, it costed me big fortune, costed name and recognition of my work, the ties with some good people because they fell for these bullshit accusations and to this day think I'm pedophile, it's useless to convince them it's not true because they'd rather believe some kulkidzshitfucks then a guy they knew for years, who wasn't the best conversationalist but nonetheless helpful and responsive, responsible cunt who stayed for his lads. I still stand for those I khow and who are the good company of mine. Especially those I know irl. Though false accusations are only part of overall problem. The commmunities are overrun by exceptional individuals whose whole puprose is to parasite on communities, sabotage them, turn them into fucking degeneracy havens. Our once beloved community is a pure example of that. WE ALL, HAVE ALLOWED SODOMITES TO GET A HOLD ON THIS COMMUNITY, TO DICTATE THEIR ILL WILLS ON EVERYONE ELSE BECAUSE DADDY JOHN HAVE SAID "TRANS RIGHTS BITCH". I fucking hate it. I hate it all, that these sick fucks keep pushing off the normal people from spaces that belong to everyone, all in the name of muh equality divercity whatever else shit these fuckwits believe in. This brainrot spreads like a plague everywhere, consuming more and more. That's what boils me too. That people willingly allow themselves to get cucked by mentally unwell shitfucks instead of standing them ground and protect the integrity and purity of the community from all the irl bullshit these mentally unvell fucknuckles bring with them and enforce it on others. One other reason why places like doomworld and zdoom need a full-on purge and cleansing, to make places sanitized from any sort of either politikz autismo spectrum, along with delusions of troons, of them enablers, of defenders of actual pedophiles within the community that seem to not be afraid to come out from the closet anymore because jannies are them good friends etc etc etc. 15 years ago I was more chill in this regard, because there was barely none of all this shit. Community WAS THE COMMUNITY, people understood that irl shite have no place there, within this hobby. These days? Nah get fucked cuz you dont worship queer sodomy cults don't attack the Orange Man or you simply Russian who doen't bash his govt for retarded war ongoing (as if anyone of these retards would bash dumbfuckistan or israel for their wars, either proxy or direct ones). I'm tired of hypocricy of these fucks. That's why I only stick to a few community pockets where this rot is somewhat under constant monitoring and doesn't get spread. But you arent the only one who has been kicked out of community or dealing with trauma's because how you have been treated by your peers and you still have friends irl, have friends on the farms (where you have discussed how fucked it was how the doomworld community treated you and they helped with it) and you can still have a community to partake in doom here, but instead the only thing you do is hate. I wish I knew you better than an ugly russian ex-military who is hateful, but I dont, because thats your only presence here. Like most of people there and most of other places\servers you haven't tried to get to know me better. Some people did. None who did so have regretted it. Neither have I. And I am pretty sure people even wanted to discuss what happend to you here but you had a meltdown and didnt want to talk about, Funny you said that because I talked about it there, I made a whole ass threaad about it, that even come to somewhat of a breakdown of the timeline what happened at all. I've made that post back then after what I tried to step out from constantly mentioning all that pedo shit. Still happen I return to that because it's either happenings with people that were tied to this or that people wanted to know what was the truth and what not out of them curiocity, because they heard only one side of a story but haven't heard mine until some time. I'm full of hate yes. It's a through-life part of me, not of my identity because in general circumstances I don't let hate to have a hold on me. My identity is a man who strive creation and building up a family, who wants to deliver something that people would enjoy either look at, play at\with and what would outlive me for good measure, for my creations to have legacy of their own. Alas, I know it wont happen. Most of it, though some things I still can achieve or at least die trying. shoot me a dm to talk about how fucked you find it that you have been treated like that by doomworld, I'd rather discuss it publicly because I'm not afraid of talk openly. UNLIKE SOMEBODY. If it is something different, you can still shoot me a dm Ahgain, I just did. And before this post, and if my goldfish memory serves me right in this very thread too. And for the people who disagree with 40oz plans, what is the alternative? Just do nothing and hope that db doesnt get deleted and if it does just "lmao I didnt do anything doom related anyways so I dont give a shit if one of the longest running and much appraised wad series gets ended and the people who want to dicuss doom dont have a place anymore" That would be fucking retarded. My solution is to just re-organize forum proper and made it straight to the point. Main section and flame section with the addition of the "fighting zone\mosh pit" that is exclusive to people tha3t want to release their steam, their grudges at each other, but these people not limited to this zone and are free to use the whole site. On top of that to make DBP developing section open for everyone because it's the main appeal of this place and lurkers don't see it, thus this much of userbase this place have. Talking of retarded policies eh...
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2024 14:37:06 GMT -5
I have documentation in front of me from Jul 28th 2023, that wg was calling people slurs within 4 posts of registering here. I had a long cordial conversation with him in private explaining why this is against the terms of service and that he needs to edit his posts. He continued a few months later, only mispelling the words because in his words, it was 'more funny.' Reminder that the subject of this conversation is that repeated/unaddressed warnings from proboards will get this entire forum shutdown with no ability to recover it. I'd like to dispute this quality being referred to as "ultimately harmless and cool" I don't write a lot of words for nothing. In the very first post here, I asked for volunteers to help me moderate this place. Up to this post, not a single person has offered yet. congrats for wording it in a way that actually compels me to reply i suppose. i was quite specific in those pms myself on what i would've done were this place to effectively become "like doomworld" (as well as what context i even wrote that stuff at the time, as well as afterwards -- omg you wrote so much and so much cordially, but you didn't really gave any shit about my replies didn't ya). i happen to feel the time is now, and i guess killer5 for instance was feelin something similar, you just delayed it for whatever reason. even dn is acting surprised that you would pull something like this, whilst i'm not in the least, and the dude has to know you better than me somehow. you could even say our future actions were masterfully telegraphed -- that is, i was ready and willing to be banned for whatever problematic behavior long ago, your absence simply helped in not painting me as the devil in front of everyone else for whatever reason (after all if it were up to you i'd be in the ninth circle of hell with le based kiwifarmer here)
in the end if everyone calling anyone else a faggot on the internet was an actual problem, you might want to tell that to your other admin and half the userbase as well. you might also want to tell whoever runs proboards to grow a pair, or self host if anyone actually cared enough about freedom of speech or whatever, not that given the overall content of this forum it seemed to be much of a problem until now. so why did it suddenly become a problem, well i have a few ideas, nothing definitive, and ultimately it doesn't interest me. most people in any community aren't going to actively contribute to it, still it doesn't give you any right to pull some sort of us vs them over those lines, you aren't trve fans, you're only here to shitpost, gatekeep, hurt people by the mighty strenght of da pen, etc. 'tis sycophantic behavior at best. i still play dewm on a regular basis, ideally the community wouldn't be shit across the board, seems it's going to be like that for whatever reason. chalk it up to me having a sincere hatred for the woke if you want, most people simply aren't as extreme and can put up with more bullshit. merely explaining my reasoning here, no hard feelings whatsoever, mildly disappointed at best. i'm already an admin elsewhere after all and the only stuff i delete is gay pr0n. see you in hell brothers
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2024 15:39:49 GMT -5
Now to fulfilling early given promices. I had kind of a fleeting thought recently. Wanted to run it by some people but I'll just post it here. Right it's better to deliver yourself rather than by moughtpieces that might either do it right, do it the shitty way or not do it at fucking all. Know from experience, to be fair. So, originally, I added 'Dumbworld' (previously 'losers') as a place to shove locked threads and have a 'time-out' place to put members that are posting stuff that is just shy of warranting a ban. Morally, I find this practice kinda cruel so I almost never use it. Tis why Bully Maguire will always live in our honest hearts, man. He knows the job. I didn't really want to do this, but a large portion of the active people in this community often say things that don't really inspire any hope for the future. You know, I'm a bit of a doomer myself. (not in a term of being fan of the game) There's always light in the end. A blink of hope, if you will. I realized that I was often supplementing this with my own threads about topics I was interested inWonder why... ndamentally, I don't enjoy banning people, because I know Doom is a niche interest, and if one doesn't fit in at doomworld, it's not like their interest in Doom goes away. That's debatable. Knew enough of folks who have left Doom for good in general all because of how they were treated in major Doom community places, telling me they have better things to do and that I shall do the same one day, that they don't understand why I keep hanging out with some splinters of it. Well, they aren't wrong, I shall, buyt their lack of understanding what I strive in these places is understandable too. . It's very lonely life liking something as rich with content like Doom and not having anyone to talk to about it. Unless the person is intellectually, mentally or by other ways deficient, it might ring the bell as truth. If not, then... tsk, there are better things to do than be that much invested into 30-years old game with a community tha3t is riddled with irl politiks through and throughout (is this even a word?). Life is lonely indeed, however if your interests are limited to just one thing and one thing only it,s nobody's but your fault at that. There's fuckton of other things that might be your stuff of interest. For example I'm invested into Warhammer, into music, art, gossip about certain toics that cover both internet and real life, substances (legal ones, such as tobacco and alcohol, fuck weed and other drugs tho). I'm not limited to Doom cuz I ain't a retard. Especially because doomworld bans people on "behavior, I see what you did there, but it's still need to be adressed because some might not get it. Doomworld jannies don't ban people cuz of them behavior in most cases but rather because they don't share jannies' points of view on many things, such as why game about killing demons have to be apolitical, how keeping irl shit behind closed door is needed, how grooming children into woketardation is fucking disgusting and people who adore such activities need to be put down like rabid animals (cuz they are, let's be honest about it), how all "women" in both zdoom and doomworld moderation team are unhinged male karens who know no better but being constantly triggered by everything that even so slightly is not align with their masters' worldview. Fuck me, they are even more unhinged and hateful than me there, almost all the time! IMPRESSIVE I'd say if I haven't knew better... Having seen a small window of the mental health of some participants on this forum through their writing over the course of my time here, Which is a retard thing to say no matter how you look at it. Doing any summary on one's mental health based on them shitposts is just as brainlet thing as advertising circumcision in Amish neighborhood. You'd better not do so,believe me on that. I'm trying to figure out a way that I can learn to like this place again Start from opening DBP developing discussions to lurkers back. That'll do it. Trust me bitch, I dare you. Four months ago, to now, I don't feel like there's been any steps closer in that direction without my intervention. Bold of you to assume that would change for the better with your intervention. It wont. Someone actually tried to do so in other small community I'm still a part of and that was a fucking disaster, all things considered. Priceless to watch at, heh. And now to the main dish 'ere. I've been thinking a little bit about doing a trial run where I simply halve the population of the Doomer Boards community using my own discretion -- no official rules. I would brazenly shove them into Dumbworld so I can test what Doomer Boards could be. But not without first adding some furniture. Dumbworld is currently just one subforum with a bunch of locked threads, but perhaps it could be populated with subforums that this forum's unhealthily angry people use Doomer Boards for. That way Dumbworld could be a sanctuary, a habitat if you will, for people that need to interrupt any otherwise fun and inviting conversations to post these kinds of things. And because there's enough people like that here, they could all congregate there instead pulverizing the reading experience of the general audiences elsewhere that might otherwise find interesting Doom content on Doomer Boards. Or better, have aspirations to join this forum and make friends and not feel like their identity might inhibit them from doing so. Can say from the get-go that this idea would fail miserably and here's why it'll happen: If you want to make an exclusion zone for shitposters then do so,but you'll have to fully restructurize the server the way nobody would complain. Or some people, would but you'll have to have an logical explanation why it was done in the first place. I have few ideas myself but wont share 'em with ya because there's no point in sharing my vision over thing I don't own nor belong to in general despite spending some time here. Your mistake in judgement what could be better is that you want place to be sterile and akin doomworld to be "friendly, all-welcoming, free of hateful conduct" (we all know what any of this means, aren't we), this aint gonna happen because this forum have a soul of its own and people don't want a copysheet of doomworld, they need a place that might be messy but cozy to spend time at due to people not being afraid of speaking them mind openly. the only two constantly active sections of this forum are DPB developing subforum and Thy Flesh Comsumed exactly because of it. Former because of people's passion over creating something for game they like, latter for allowance of releasing some steam off them chests, period, but you seem quite eagier to strip this "privilege" off them and that was quite noticeable in past and kind of still is even now. Again, if you want those you deem problematic to create less problem for you them make a separate sub-section ala mosh pit for them alone, you don't have to exclude "troublemakers" from site's "gene pool" but just have 'em be able to have their own corner only they would be able to interact within. It's that simple solution really and it does solve the issue you seem to have with everyone who you see as problematic, mainly me, xeep, Welper (rip), Shiba, etc etc etc. Also, nothing stops you from informing ProBoards you're gonna make "agression targeted" sub that will be riddled with frustrations of users and shit, to make a note that it was done specifically to reduce the precedents of rep[orts that place is riddled with what you might value as cancer but other people would see it as just us simple men venting thier disagreements and steams off out chests for good measure. Dumbworld is currently just one subforum with a bunch of locked threads, And it better stay this way. Just rename it to Post Hell we all lost on dw and don't forget to include that katamari damaci music that dw used for it. That'll be priceless and people would be grateful for this bit of nostalgia. Right fellas? Alternatively if you're so dissatisfied with administrating Boards you can always handle 'em to someone else entirely, who would fit for this job, or create a soapbox just for yourself and selected few where you'll cry into each other's estrogen\soy-beriddled breasts and blame us le ebil free thinkers and Kiwi associates how le heckin ebil non-wholesome nazi chungus we all are. I fuckin' wish I made this shitfuck sentence up but I legit heard this shit a few times and I still cringe from it. The fact I mylsef wrote it right now doesn't make things any better but what else to use for depiciton of some leftie's hurt feefees? Exactly. If you want to make place better here are my proposals: Restructure of forum, making DBP dev threads visible for those lurking this site and you'll gain the new userbase you so crave up for. Make discord. If you don't want to make "fighting zone\mosh pit" there on DB itself you can always go on and made discord server attached to this site, have similar sub-channels and pick defined roles for everyone, with permissions and shit. Stop being pussy, grow a pair. Join Kiwifarms in order to grow a pair. Learn to read the room. Rich coming from me, I know, but nonetheless I can do it better than you, probably that's why I still have that much connections everywhere and keep connecting with people despite my open distrust and sometimes hate toward them (not against someone specifically but humans in general. Sociopathy is a bitch).
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Post by AskYourDrAboutUVFast on May 19, 2024 15:48:00 GMT -5
I'll throw in my 2c, but take it with a grain of salt since I don't really use the boards outside of the mapping forums which don't really have these issues. I am selfishly interested though because I enjoy contributing to the mapping projects and the fact that two excellent playtesters (K5 and SA) are talking about leaving over this is already a giant L. To me, at a gut level, the proposal on its face sounds like an idea that is destined to fail and will fracture the community. I'm also having a hard time seeing how taking all the offensive behavior and segregating it to a specific part of the forum is going to rectify the issue with the site violating the proboards TOS? Do they have an exception to their rules where the bad words are no longer a violation if it is all contained in one place on the board? That doesn't make much sense. So far one of the things holding me back is it will require a lot of manual and emotional labor from me that I still yet don't feel equipped to do. So ummm.. anyone wanna volunteer themselves to: - point out people that you think belong in this 'new dumbworld' - refer to posts that really sucked to read - would be open to having the moderating power to move people and posts to dumbworld - would like to nominate someone to have such moderating power ^ This part of the proposal in particular seems troubling. Sure some more moderators would be nice to update the front page of the website and close the old project dev threads, but nobody with a life is going to want to play dress up as the Stasi and run around policing their fellow users. If you are just looking to get out from under the proboards terms of service then I'm sure there are more than a few of us who have extra disposable income to help facilitate you getting a server somewhere to host the site. If you want to stay under proboards umbrella, then set some rules so the site doesn't violate the ToS. Just be very clear with the rules and what you want to see and people will follow. If the guidelines are vague and nebulous, they lend themselves to arbitrary and capricious enforcement, which is the problem on DW. If you just want to chop off some heads then nut up and do it. If you can't stand the sight of blood, find an executioner to wield the axe. I'm glad youre back, and appreciate you laying out your thoughts in the open and taking comment and debate on them. Not rushing to action and seeking counsel is a sign of leadership. Please tally my vote against segregation.
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Post by thundercunt on May 19, 2024 15:49:25 GMT -5
You can make the "Everything Else" subforum visible for registered users only. Visitors may be tricked into thinking this forum is not full of retards this way, and we may get new users. Degenerate discussions should be kept away from the Doom-related subforuns
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Post by 40oz on May 19, 2024 15:54:53 GMT -5
For some I'm sure it is but for me it's not. It's how people tend to behave when divided into groups. Can you elaborate on this? What's your prediction? If you create an entire separate forum where they can have a blast after they've acted against forum regulations, in a way you are rewarding their behavior, not punishing it. They will have no impetus to change their behavior. They'll continue to act up and view the moderators/admins as weak and unwilling to enforce the supposed rules. It doesn't sound rewarding based on the feedback so far. Thanks for your comments so far, btw. Very eloquently put.
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Post by skyr on May 19, 2024 16:14:41 GMT -5
I'd rather discuss it publicly because I'm not afraid of talk openly. UNLIKE SOMEBODY. I dont care about discussing it publicly, I care about not derailing the thread, but c'est la vie, it is already happening. Let's start with this, because I never read this. It's shit you got injured and suffered a mental breakdown in the army. All that isnt a joke and I can imagine if I was younger and in your position I'd also suffer a mental breakdown, so I feel for you. I hope you could have healed from that a bit now, that shit is fucked. With that in mind, I do understand how the rest of the story developed, but I will be a hypocrite if I wont respond in the way I will do now: OF. FUCKING. COURSE you were in a relatiosnhip with a 16 year old. Why wouldnt you be? You're a doomer, doesnt matter which slice of the doom community you will take; doomworld, zdoom, doomerboards, youtube, twitch, discord or even the fucking doom side of kiwifarms, you will find a fucker that has been with a minor, god fucking damn it. If life was slightly different you were called marissa the wereknight, had pink and baby blue hair and would be a moderator for doomworld. Okay, now I got that out of my system, I do give you the benefit of doubt and that you wanted to break it up when you realised she was a minor. I also realise how scary it must have been when she wanted to blackmail you and ruin your life, so you stayed in the relationship to save yourself, you're human, you're just trying to self-preserve, cant blame a man for that. But above all that how fucked it must have been going through a horrible time in life, finally have a slitter of hope in this hell hole called life, for then that piece of hope to stab you in your back, thats honestly brutal. Mix that together with getting removed from multiple communities because people dont wanna hear your side of the story and yeah I can imagine turning hatefull. But I'll still stand with what I said, as a man you're expected to deal with it and if you choose to deal with it with hatred, I dont feel sorry for you if you get the same treatment back. But if you atleast try to rise above it, be better than the people that have wronged you and deal with it in a more constructive way, you deserve to be treated better and with more understanding. But honestly I dont even see why you'd listen to me, so you do you. And regarding all the bullshit in the first paragraph, you and I will never see eye to eye on transgenderism. But the whole shithole regarding online communities has nothing to do with that, online communities are just full of socially inept people who then try to make social rules, which will be fucking weird and cling to little amount of social interactions they have so much that breaking ethics doesnt matter to them. But dont respond to this with mu mu transgenderism, I will not respond to that, shit is like talking to a wall and I wont wanna waste more energy on it. Like most of people there and most of other places\servers you haven't tried to get to know me better. Some people did. None who did so have regretted it. Neither have I. To be fair, most people also post other stuff than just hatred, but I'll be willing to meet in the middle. I saw in the other post you have an interest in music. Recommend me your favorite album, would love to listen to it.
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Post by NuMetalManiak on May 19, 2024 16:29:40 GMT -5
You can make the "Everything Else" subforum visible for registered users only. Visitors may be tricked into thinking this forum is not full of retards this way, and we may get new users. Degenerate discussions should be kept away from the Doom-related subforuns As far as I know the Doomer Boards Project archive page and the actual home page basically already does this, technically speaking. Visitors can outright avoid the actual forums by not clicking on them (though they still access the DBP project threads) and they can avoid the cornucopia discussions by just not visiting them.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2024 16:43:03 GMT -5
I care about not derailing the thread Kinda too late for this, it already derailed some time ago so why bother. 40oz would separate posts from this anytime at any given opportunity anyway. Let's start with this, because I never read this. It's shit you got injured and suffered a mental breakdown in the army. All that isnt a joke and I can imagine if I was younger and in your position I'd also suffer a mental breakdown, so I feel for you. I hope you could have healed from that a bit now, that shit is fucked. And I've told only part that was tied to my internet presence most. I haven't mentioned a few other things but these were between me and few other people, not related to anything in web so I let it off the picture. Only tell that these things also responsible for my mental breakdown, wish of death by suicide to end the misery at one time and my urge to unlive these fucks who stole quite plenty of money from me. For the better or worse it'll not happen. Let's start with this, because I never read this. Tis because I've only spread that xeet in places I was somewhat present and these were a selected few at the time. Doesn't help that people I've asked to spread the word haven't done anything. I've expected that nonetheless. There's also a thing that, even if it have come to doomworld and zgroom just bare mention of my name would ensure an instant ban of the poster and seething, screeching of the wokistani tards all around places again. Same goes about any other place where kulkidz reside in\at, inculding civvie's dungeon, from where the whole cursed shit have got them roots. Not from Doom community but there, it just got spread into because like I said, retrogames related servers have shared members. A fuck-a-lot of them. If life was slightly different you were called marissa the wereknight, had pink and baby blue hair and would be a moderator for doomworld. Actually kek'd at this. Shit's funny. But if being seriuos have it happened to be the case I'd rather kill myself the be some deranged weenie-cutter. Tis gross and unhealthy by all things considered. Coming from a guy that actually was coming to want to commit suicide during army days. . But I'll still stand with what I said, as a man you're expected to deal with it and if you choose to deal with it with hatred, Because it's a decision nonetheless. And to my credit my hateful internet activities do not harm my irl ones. Cuz, o horror, I do realize one have to separate one from another. Can't tell irl is way better because recently I had two weeks of pure hell and one keep happening because I've got promoted, but this promotion have turned from desired one to be hated because I had to administer the store alone and was without any permanent personel, people kept coming and go. It even come to this that I had to call up my own mother cuz I've got desperate, high ranks were useless so it was my only solution in situation that happened. Hopefully everything turned relatively alright that day... can't say the same about the others tho, especially considering that I received just somewhat around, what, 30-40$ for all this struggle? FUCK. THAT. but, I hope it's almost over. Tomorrow gonna look at potential workplace and if everything is sound I part ways with my current workplace for good. I'll still stand with what I said, as a man you're expected to deal with it and if you choose to deal with it with hatred, I dont feel sorry for you if you get the same treatment back. But if you atleast try to rise above it, be better than the people that have wronged you and deal with it in a more constructive way, you deserve to be treated better and with more understanding. Believe it or not me being all-hate-no-love there doesn't mean I'm like this everywhere else. It just happens it's the closest thing to doomworld I can share my frustrations in, considering these shmucks do read my rants too and maybe one day they'll get where they were wrong (whom I'm kidding, course they wont, why would they). But honestly I dont even see why you'd listen to me, if person have no hostilities toward me and is normal in general, why not try to establish a contact? If me and other people are fine with each other I'll listen them, always. That's what let me fit in on Farms. And you have to consider I started my journey there from doomworld thread, where they have brought all the same shit too (fault of mine registering under actual alias but I knew no better. Now tho? Sitting underr rather fitting one, for the place like agrarian forum, lul) but weren't gun jumping fuckwits, so we got to understand each other very quick. And regarding all the bullshit in the first paragraph, you and I will never see eye to eye on transgenderism. But the whole shithole regarding online communities has nothing to do with that, online communities are just full of socially inept people who then try to make social rules, which will be fucking weird and cling to little amount of social interactions they have so much that breaking ethics doesnt matter to them. But dont respond to this with mu mu transgenderism, I will not respond to that, shit is like talking to a wall and I wont wanna waste more energy on it. You have your views on this and I have mine so that's fair.[/quote]
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2024 16:44:41 GMT -5
To be fair, most people also post other stuff than just hatred, but I'll be willing to meet in the middle. I saw in the other post you have an interest in music. Recommend me your favorite album, would love to listen to it. If you're into Witch House that is, I might to drop some tracks. Though have to put a fair note I haven't listened anything new for awhile, can't even tell if Witch House scene is that alive or not. Back in a day it was blossoming through, can't tell the current state of things.
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on May 19, 2024 16:54:09 GMT -5
Can you elaborate on this? What's your prediction? Tribalism, animosity, resentments, othering etc etc. DB#2 would likely be infinitely worse than the way things are now because anyone that is part of DB#1 is going to be a target for a lot of those negative feelings, warranted or not. DB#1 will also have opinions of DB#2 that will almost certainly trend negative. It would generally just be separating people with two types of dispositions into camps of like minded individuals who will, over time validate and reinforce behaviors. It would make groups a far more prominent thing as opposed to individuals. I, like some others here (certainly not all) participate on both sides of things. I don't mind the shit flinging and insults. That is a normal comfortable environment for me. I've also been happy to help with the DBPs in the limited capacity I have and to also have serious conversations here. A situation like the one you are presenting has a realistic possibility of forcing people like myself to eventually have to "pick a team" so to speak. I think it would be far more preferable to keep the community here "whole" while just providing spaces for different needs within the existing framework. We are all here for different reasons after all. Doom is just an underlying commonality we all share to varying extents. Or at least most of us. Anyone who doesn't at least share that here is a bit suspicious to me and I know they're here.
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Post by skyr on May 19, 2024 17:20:49 GMT -5
If you're into Witch House that is, I might to drop some tracks. Currently checking it out, specifically king night by salem, but drop some tracks later. Alright back to the topic, the more I read people's opinions on this the more I realise another subforum will just create a rift in an already small community and if it goes wrong you might alienate half of it, which I suspect isnt what you want either. I do understand you want to keep both sides happy, but the seperation will just bring resentment (like stodgy just said). We can already see it happening even without the seperate forum existing. From what I have read so far bob had the best idea and that is first a time out after having a talk about their behaviour and if a few time outs wont work just straight up a ban. But I dont think it wouldv be a bad idea to also discuss the things that would and wouldnt be tolerated here.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2024 17:26:56 GMT -5
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Post by Bob Page on May 19, 2024 17:40:20 GMT -5
But I dont think it wouldv be a bad idea to also discuss the things that would and wouldnt be tolerated here. That's actually a great point. The rules are surely laid out somewhere, however for whatever reason a lot of folks may not be aware of exactly what's ok and what isn't. Not blaming anyone for that, but it's the situation that we find oursleves in. And beyond just the ToS, we may want to just set the tone and vibe for how things need to go in an official thread where everyone is allowed to at least voice their opinions or perhaps even vote, if that would be helpful. Obviously voting for things that violate the ToS won't be an option, because they threaten the existence of the forum itself, but perhaps discussing nuances and minutiae might allow people to better understand how they need to conduct themselves. Once a determination has been made regarding what is acceptable and what isn't, the set of Rules and Regulations can be condensed into an easily digestible document and disseminated to each forum user.
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