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Post by 40oz on May 18, 2024 15:48:28 GMT -5
All of my DBP folders are extremely messy. The projects are a lot to manage and my management style changes from project to project. The DBPs are, I think all backed up somewhere on my computer, but I've never taken the time to do a full check and keep them neatly organized in one space. Its possible i deleted some stuff, and i don't have every dbp i didn't participate in. There have also been updates and bugfixes to DBPs post-release and I don't really keep a very clean version history anywhere, so not only would it take a lot of work on my part to find a permanent host and then back them all up one after the other, I don't even keep a locally stored curated list of links to every DBP project so I wouldn't even be able to get them easily if Doomer Boards were to go away. The only place I know for sure has all the links to every doomer boards project is here. It is and always has been within proboards rights to just pull the fucking plug on this whole operation without asking anyone if its ok.
so maybe making trans jokes really isn't that fucking important...?
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Post by 40oz on May 18, 2024 16:00:29 GMT -5
Congrats on the job. Also, "hate" is unqualifiable. Thank you, but I don't know why you're taking this up with me. If this needs to be addressed, then it should be taken up with proboards, but that would very likely involve them surveilling this forum and providing a formal answer. Something that's probably not in our interests if anyone wants to continue talking to each other here. Me on the other hand, I'm just fucking consumer cattle that's LARPing as someone with power.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2024 16:06:24 GMT -5
Nvmd. Not wasting another minute of my time in another conversation like this. Doom is something I should be doing for fun and wasting my time thinking about who should and should not be squelched in a community is not something that is desirable in the least. Removing myself from the Doom community entirely is the best option. Stopping posting entirely in doomworld back in 2021 was hard but got easier after about a month. See no reason why I can't do it again. based
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Post by SilverMiner on May 18, 2024 16:10:29 GMT -5
I'll miss you, Killer5 ![:'(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cry.png) and Mayhemic Destrvctor
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Post by xeepeep on May 18, 2024 16:19:58 GMT -5
Can you be out of giant font sizes and images too? No
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StodgyAyatollah
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on May 18, 2024 16:48:37 GMT -5
I'm curious now. Is your intent to ensure things are kept well in line with the tos or is it beyond that in scope? For the former no reasonable person should be able to argue with that whether they like it or not. It's just a practical reality of keeping the site up and really shouldn't need restructuring, just enforcement. Doom is something I should be doing for fun and wasting my time thinking about who should and should not be squelched in a community is not something that is desirable in the least. This is a sentiment I wholeheartedly share. There are pragmatic limitations I can understand and respect. However, if things were to become untenable for me here, regardless if it's due to restrictive tos or not this site would become just like dw for me. A place to find wads with no social element so I would effectively drop out of the "community" entirely. All of my DBP folders are extremely messy. I actually took the time to hunt down all of the old releases and it was a mess. The links for some were dead here so I had to get them from the dsda and idgames archives. I started making a deh for the older ones to add map names. Collected other stuff like wide stbars and fixes others have made. Planned to upload them in one place at some point so people wouldn't have to dig around for them like I did.
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Post by SilverMiner on May 18, 2024 16:57:09 GMT -5
It's worth to collect TNS coop fixes. In TNS custom monsters wads it's said that the content can be used, just mention the authors in credits
I guess the same logic applies to coop fixes Edit: Like they can be used in bugfixes
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StodgyAyatollah
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on May 18, 2024 17:18:19 GMT -5
It's worth to collect TNS coop fixes. In TNS custom monsters wads it's said that the content can be used, just mention the authors in credits I guess the same logic applies to coop fixes Edit: Like they can be used in bugfixes Coop is something I wouldn't be able to test since I've always played single player so it's out of the scope of what I'm putting together. Would be more than happy to add them if you or someone else wanted to do that though. Having everything I could find in one place, including additional stuff people would have to hunt down or never know about was my goal.
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Post by 40oz on May 18, 2024 20:28:28 GMT -5
I'm curious now. Is your intent to ensure things are kept well in line with the tos or is it beyond that in scope? since the start of my adminstratorship ive operated on the guiding principle of being an equal to everyone here. the culture of the community would be driven by the spoken words. We'd talk our issues out and solve them over mutual agreement or compromise. This is why i dont personally operate on systems where you get banned based on what you say. Even if I personally dont like what i read, i sit on it and look at it from all angles and appreciate that the posts i read arent always for me. This is the resolution id like to explore. Ideally, the best doom community would have a leader that both has the powers to ban, and also never needs to use them. The community would take care of itself due to a mutual respect for one another and the platform we use. Proboards doesnt operate this way. Its a business, and they dont need to see the value in long lasting community relationships (for everyone) quite like I do. Doomer boards community members should strive to be friends and not enemies. But if there are people that come here to talk like they do and put the entire forum in jeopardy, then unfortunately i have to step in and get in the way of it. i dont want to DO anything. I just want the community members to give a shit about each other so that when one of us has some tragic life event that might prevent them from accessing doomer boards for a long time or ever again, we dont have to be burdened with the realization that maybe it wasnt worth the time wasting so many years making this person feel like shit about themself up until they cant be be here anymore. I want a safer community, one where i probably wouldnt feel any shame about talking about my personal life. Ice or friction between community members might prevent someone from being truthful about the circumstances of their life, especially if its embarrassing or unfortunate. Talk about xeeps note that someone like ketmar should be exempt from his proposed ban request on all eastern european people. ketmar continued working on his source port while his country was literally at war. His house could have been fucking blown up if he had an unlucky afternoon. Did he have to do this to earn his exemption?? Maybe when our real life sucks, it would be nice that our internet life didnt have to suck too. I dont really accept that im the only person who reads this forum and sees that as a desireable outcome. Its not that i dont feel like i or anyone should be devoid of criticism. i seek it intensely, and to my detriment, sometimes from people who dont respect me for who i am or what i do. Thats another reason why i dont limit people's speech here, myself. Sometimes i think i need to hear things that make me uncomfortable. However, its a fact of life that people are different. Were not all the same skin color, we come from different economic backgrounds, cultures, we sometimes discover different attractions and identities we mesh with, we have deficiencies, and health conditions sometimes really shitty life circumstances. But we can, at the very least agree on Doom. Racial slurs, and sweeping judgments against marginalized groups are fundamentally at odds with that. If we have to coexist, then we should coexist in a trial separation. If people want to be on doomer boards to read peoples opinions on marginalized groups, then registered members are welcome into dumbworld if they want to. But i hypothesize that doom fans dont actually want that for the forum, and id like to test this hypothesis we can all know for sure if im right or if this is a fantasy im making up in my head.
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Post by NuMetalManiak on May 18, 2024 20:45:18 GMT -5
"It's a business"
Oh. Ohhhhhhh.
I hate it when things are run that way. I think everyone in this thread may not have realized this until this moment, but yes, bigwigs OUTSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY HAVE ALL THE STRINGS and can exterminate at will if they find no more use. Unbelievable. I understand everything now.
FTR I got almost zero beef since I stay the hell away from all drama and do my own thing and if someone's got a problem with that stay away from me then.
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Post by Bob Page on May 18, 2024 22:05:07 GMT -5
So, originally, I added 'Dumbworld' (previously 'losers') as a place to shove locked threads and have a 'time-out' place to put members that are posting stuff that is just shy of warranting a ban. Morally, I find this practice kinda cruel so I almost never use it. May I ask why you find this practice cruel? It actually sounds pretty reasonable to me. If someone is out of line, there has to be a way to stop them from shitting up a thread and causing trouble. Many other forums would just drop a ban hammer, but you are being very kind by allowing them to be put in a temporary time out. I assume that you are, in large part, referencing Section 18 (e). The language in that clause forbids promoting hate/racism, using racist words, and "signifying hate" against a certain group of people. So to be compliant with ProBoards, we would simply need to refrain from using racial epithets or obvious slurs, organizing hate rallies, and just generally espousing philosophies that marginalize certain groups. With that said, I don't think that someone saying "I don't hate trans people, but I don't agree with their lifestyle and I don't want my kids to be exposed to it in school" would be considered "hate" by any reasonable person. You are allowed to have your own opinion of how other people live as long as you don't infringe upon their rights and essentially leave them alone.
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Post by CittyKat112 on May 18, 2024 22:29:44 GMT -5
I'll miss you, Killer5 ![:'(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cry.png) and Mayhemic Destrvctor Omg, yes. Literally the best shitposter on this forum. Wish he'd still be around T_T
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Post by deathevokation on May 18, 2024 23:05:26 GMT -5
did wernergoldberg delete his account?
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on May 18, 2024 23:26:41 GMT -5
40oz I think I see where you're coming from. I would just advise that extreme caution is probably warranted if you do intend to bifurcate the site as you first described. I think it's a far more dramatic action than needed. Just my opinion so take that as you will. did wernergoldberg delete his account? Yup.
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Post by deathevokation on May 19, 2024 0:45:15 GMT -5
He seemed like an ultimately harmless and cool guy who genuinely wanted to be part of this community though.. I feel like I missed something important but don't have the energy to read through it all. Just moderate and ban people instead of making a zoo, lol?
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Post by Tangra on May 19, 2024 2:35:13 GMT -5
- point out people that you think belong in this 'new dumbworld' I haven't been here long enough to give moderation suggestions, but i think i have a good idea where you can start with this - Doomkid, Scuba Steve and every other DW moderator who have (or had at some point) the audacity to preach their bullshit over here. As for the rest, i wish people here don't fight each other. It's a small forum and the environment can be a bit hostile at times, which doesn't help in the long run in growing this community. This should be more than the "forum for banned DW users", it would be nice if it's a true alternative.
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Post by dn on May 19, 2024 6:56:48 GMT -5
Know what, fuck it, clone and split the forum. Doomerboards #1 and Doomerboards #2. Let's have apartheid, that's always good.
My sole condition is as follows: *we* keep the doomerboards name. The new superclean soyboards can be called whatever you want, but *we* keep the original name. It's not yours. You don't get to abandon your adminship and wander off into the wilderness for a year, then suddenly reappear and pull... whatever this shit is.
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You still don't get what we are here. We're a fucking containment board. Doomworld doesn't need the losers forum anymore, because we are the fucking losers forum. We're a fucking convict colony. At literally any point during your sabbatical someone could have made a complaint to proboards and we would have been fucked. They did not. I told scuba, dude, you have the power to cleanse the internet of nazis and transphobia forever, all it will take is one email.
He did not send that email. Because then they'd need another containment board.
And now you come back with idea that the containment board needs a containment board.
And who is moderating that shit, hmmm? Because you can't even be fucked moderating your own forum, you complain when I don't moderate it to your standards, whilst you piss off for months at a time (only TWO warnings from proboards? LOL) and then come back with this ubermenche untermenche bullshit?
I am fucking beyond words.
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Post by 40oz on May 19, 2024 6:57:53 GMT -5
He seemed like an ultimately harmless and cool guy who genuinely wanted to be part of this community though.. I feel like I missed something important but don't have the energy to read through it all. Just moderate and ban people instead of making a zoo, lol? I have documentation in front of me from Jul 28th 2023, that wg was calling people slurs within 4 posts of registering here. I had a long cordial conversation with him in private explaining why this is against the terms of service and that he needs to edit his posts. He continued a few months later, only mispelling the words because in his words, it was 'more funny.' Reminder that the subject of this conversation is that repeated/unaddressed warnings from proboards will get this entire forum shutdown with no ability to recover it. I'd like to dispute this quality being referred to as "ultimately harmless and cool" I don't write a lot of words for nothing. In the very first post here, I asked for volunteers to help me moderate this place. Up to this post, not a single person has offered yet.
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Post by dn on May 19, 2024 7:07:17 GMT -5
I don't write a lot of words for nothing. In the very first post here, I asked for volunteers to help me moderate this place. Up to this post, not a single person has offered yet. Because no one wants to moderate for an admin who literally fucks off for months at a time with no explanation, then comes back with a grand scheme to fucking assassinate half his active user base. You should go on discord, there are a nice unemployed clique of pedodoomers there that will moderate your forums for you. I think Marisa is free: shit, half of zdoom's old mod team are out of a job. Ask them.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2024 7:45:36 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2024 7:47:41 GMT -5
I'm curious now. Is your intent to ensure things are kept well in line with the tos or is it beyond that in scope? If you'd ask me it seems our boyo wants truce with the very fuckwits that shunned him off troonworld because he knows no better than try to make a peace with the very pastel shitheads that poison every part of Doom community they infiltrate into.
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Post by 40oz on May 19, 2024 8:00:32 GMT -5
I have more to say but this was actually really funny and it made me laugh out loud lol
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2024 8:28:10 GMT -5
I think I'll adress a few things, but first I'll response to some commewnts in 'ere and then proceed to butcher the OP. Okay first things first What you could do is just ban schizoposters and retards who contribute absolutely nothing and whom no one likes. Examples: all russian users Пошел нахуй, футанариёбы не имеют права слова. Maybe I missed something because I wasnt really active the last 4 months, just checked the site sporadically, but other than tainted slav coming back, immediatly started schizo posting and then got banned for a few days by dn, did anything big/controversial happen in the mean time? Not really. And even that wasn't that much of an event in its own. Just casual mondays for some. , but other than tainted slav, whose presence is just uninteresting uninspired vile hatred, Have you ever wondered why, I wonder... Right, you haven't, cuz nobody does. I told why tis the case once and barely to no soul have listened 'ere. On Farms tho... (i don't have any issue with da tainted slav either) Neither am I had any with you, so that's mutual. if anything it's funny to tell people to point fingers at anyone "problematic" and then pretend to be interested in any sort of honest conversation And that's why doomworld in itself is such a shit place to be right now, because you have nobody there but jannies' personal armies of cocksuckers, to each their own pantheon of loyal brainlet puppies that will see no wrong in them idol even if it'll turns one one is, say, drug addict, child molester, dog fucker, whatever man, they are them SAINTS!!! of all people because they know no better other than to kneel to degenerates that sit there and have basically all the power. anyone other than xeep can come out, call me a cunt or a retard and i would hardly bat an eye, it would probably explain some things in fact -- that's honest conversation to me, everything else i'm not interested in to put it mildly. That's exactly the reason I prefer Kiwi Farms and RDC over this place in general. The former have quite healthy Doom diaspora while the latter might be half-dead, but the people there are honest hearts. There? Oh I dunno man, I just dunno... fter i came back here I saw this board had two fucking warnings from proboards, and I see that there were posts that needed to be edited and two people temporary banned. I see no big issue there? This is getting dangerously close to what doomworld did in 2021. I want to know exactly what is and is not considered acceptable for regular doomerboards. Easier to list the former. Just look at my posts full of my true and honest opinions and you'll get the idea what is undesirable. Spoiler: basically everything that calls out people's hypocricy and doomworld\zgroomer degeneracy. Again, that's why I prefer Kiwi over any Doom related place. Honesty. And ability to promt things as what they are.\ I'm out of words, honestly. In fuckin' line please, you're clearly not the first who feels this way. Okay, now to deep frying your OP 40oz, but it'll be done in separate post. Taa-taa.
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Post by 40oz on May 19, 2024 8:34:05 GMT -5
Because no one wants to moderate for an admin who literally fucks off for months at a time with no explanation, then comes back with a grand scheme to fucking assassinate half his active user base. May I ask why you find this practice cruel? It actually sounds pretty reasonable to me. If someone is out of line, there has to be a way to stop them from shitting up a thread and causing trouble. Many other forums would just drop a ban hammer, but you are being very kind by allowing them to be put in a temporary time out. A large part of it is the isolation. The last time I've ever put anyone in losers is when it was a group of four who were acting in unison to commit the same offense. They were in each other's court, which felt fair. Being positioned in direct opposition to not just me, but everyone in the forum with no one in your corner to back you up I think can put someone in a very reactive state that might not make the best impression for their case, even if they have a really good one. So I don't like to pick on a person one at a time and force them into the electric chair to see if they can panic their way out of it. So before I pluck one person out of the forum to put in dumbworld, I think it would be most sensible to grab a bunch all at once so they can decide as a group; do they enjoy being in a forum where they are in direct collaboration with people who like to resist the proboards tos? Is that the appeal of doomer boards? Would you like the forum better if that's all anyone here did? Hopefully this will answer some questions about whether this kind of behavior keeps people interested in Doom. We'll have clear data. When a version of doomer boards forum is limited to the people who often need to include racist/homophobic/transphobic stereotypes in their posts, will people go to doomer boards to hang out with them? Will people want to register to it? Will they stay for long? Will they somehow find ways to talk about Doom that's more interesting to Doom fans than a separate forum that they're not allowed to post in? I'm open to suggestions on how to best go about this, but I think it's time to finally un-muddy these waters. And who is moderating that shit, hmmm? Because you can't even be fucked moderating your own forum, you complain when I don't moderate it to your standards, whilst you piss off for months at a time (only TWO warnings from proboards? LOL) and then come back with this ubermenche untermenche bullshit? I am fucking beyond words. I think i already expressed this here, I'm not complaining to you that you're not moderating to my standards. I'm complaining to the user base here that they put you in a position where you had to do anything at all. You and I are not better than anyone here. We're all in this forum together, and we need to be in mutual agreement that we want this forum to continue even in times when life fucking sucks. This isn't supposed to be a job. It's supposed to be a respite from the ordeals of real life. I want that for everyone, including the people like you and me who are burdened with having to moderate it.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2024 8:37:31 GMT -5
In fact, I realized that I was often supplementing this with my own threads about topics I was interested in and then when I left this forum to its own devices, I was completely uninterested in pretty much all of it. Perhaps you should just make dn the admin at this point?
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