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Post by nnn✓ork on Apr 20, 2023 18:08:18 GMT -5
some of ya are being doofy but I gotta say, the word 'Jew-Ilya' has made my day.
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Gokuma
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Post by Gokuma on Apr 20, 2023 18:40:55 GMT -5
If he's currently chilled out enough and agrees not to lose his shit if Mayhemic comes back, I wouldn't mind having him back.
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Post by mobius on Apr 20, 2023 21:09:26 GMT -5
To be clear: my stance on decentralization is aimed at a "libertarian" approach to doom communities. I think every space has a broader right to sovereignty and that users should be protected FROM mob-rule or organized harassment of any kind. I'm not someone who's been active on the forums for very long, just an avid Doomer whose done a fair amount of lurking over the years so take what I say with a grain of salt. The way things look to me I think we may be witnessing the decentralization. There really is no all encompassing Doom community to be lorded over at this point. Only vestiges of one. It's probably the ideal time for people to form their own smaller communities that are moderated the way that suits their interests or find a home in one that already exists. Will probably be beneficial to creativity as well since it may prevent heavily dominating trends and foster more diversity.
Honestly that is a very good point and I didn't see it quite like that. It would make sense since now the limited hangout of such a group is only proceeded by its inevitable fissuring. I am concerned they'll compromise and amend as consolidated power will do anything it can to be relevant. I wouldn't celebrate yet but at least there's hope that further splintering occurs.
In my discord: I brought up how the Fun Police as its current iteration might be a response to a dilemma. The dilemma being the constant: Discord. They admit it themselves that discord has made it tough to police their own home communities now that IRC no longer centralizes socialization to a single network. The old days were that you had to get on irc via their network and then use their IRC to communicate with others; nowadays, anyone can just make a discord and gethub to completely isolate themselves from everyone else. The overlap is in the participants. Fun Police isn't really managed by the upper hierarchy of Developers from what we are told. I imagine from Zandronum's side that Torr Samaho isn't exactly participating in this sort of arrangement so my suspicion is that Zdoom is suffering the same problem Zandronum is facing.
The fear of the middle management is when the end users and content makers no longer need a "landing page" (in parlance of Nax) to get what they want: a community and mods. They can just go to whoever and interact with them directly.
I want to post screencaps I have about some of these things but I got caught up in other logs. I'll get ot it later after I see how Zdoom is going to shit itself inward. This situation has created an implosion.
Edit: I think the Fun Police won and it had only made them stronger with this vindication now. Rachel and Weasel are still running the entire operation so they basically got a promotion. Nothing was accomplished.
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Post by dn on Apr 20, 2023 21:24:52 GMT -5
The fear of the middle management is when the end users and content makers no longer need a "landing page" (in parlance of Nax) to get what they want: a community and mods. They can just go to whoever and interact with them directly. Well, the purpose of the 2nd amendment is pretty clear: government should fear the mob, because the threat of being shot in the fucking face the only thing that keeps their leadership honest. We see the results of when the opposite is true, when the the people fear a dictator: the number of people crawling out of the woodwork of that forum to say "Rachael is a big meanie" now that it's safe for their accounts to do so is fucking unreal*. Also, pour one out for Pillowblaster, RIP, who suicided his account in the Glorious Last Charge of the Obvious Brigade. He is retrospectively promoted herein to Captain Obvious. Semper Fi. |
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Post by mobius on Apr 20, 2023 21:59:45 GMT -5
The fear of the middle management is when the end users and content makers no longer need a "landing page" (in parlance of Nax) to get what they want: a community and mods. They can just go to whoever and interact with them directly. Well, the purpose of the 2nd amendment is pretty clear: government should fear the mob, because the threat of being shot in the fucking face the only thing that keeps their leadership honest. We see the results of when the opposite is true, when the the people fear a dictator: the number of people crawling out of the woodwork of that forum to say "Rachael is a big meanie" now that it's safe for their accounts to do so is fucking unreal*. Also, pour one out for Pillowblaster, RIP, who suicided his account in the Glorious Last Charge of the Obvious Brigade. He is retrospectively promoted herein to Captain Obvious. Semper Fi. I edit my last post. The Fun Police has been completely vindicated now. This will only end with MORE consolidation and not less. Rachel has hardware access so nothing really changed. I doubt Weasel will do anything malicious. They basically got promotions and the forum by the balls. Zdoom should be looking to relocate and backup soon. They are on borrowed time should one of the two decide to explore the nuclear option. Things are going to go extremely turbulent real fast. |
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Post by dn on Apr 20, 2023 23:32:49 GMT -5
maybe they can ask the hardware engineer to back up the forums just in case oh no wait
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Gokuma
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Post by Gokuma on Apr 21, 2023 1:43:03 GMT -5
The furniture rearrangement of a moderation/administration change so far doesn't go far enough. Everyone who was complicit in the conspiracy, coverup, and plan needs to be off the team and surely some if not all banned. ZDoom Forums really needs to migrate and disassociate themselves from the former admins, who currently remain ubannable due to their hardware access or monetary ties. A bigger part of the problem is the whole "Children can consent" (see how they blame and have malice for the minors/victims) and Pedo Lives Matter part of organized LGBT+qwerty (who are really sexual fascists) and woketardedness. Until they think they can get away with calling people pedophobes, they're going to label people against pedos as homophobes or transphobes. Pillowblaster has since been unbanned and only warned for supposed unintentional bigotry. He wasn't bigoted. He was straight forward honest. ZDoom Forums is still woketarded. Either there or elsewhere I just saw a total brainwashed scared idiot saying Doomer Boards would want them dead because they're LGBT+qwerty. No, there's gay and occasional trans people here we're cool with. I'm not going to name any as I consider that rude to out them even if they're open about it. It would just be nice if people like said idiot could take some intelligence pills. When it comes to pedos, molesters, groomers, and murderers, and other scum, it's perfectly fine to misgender them such as that Marissa who might still have his meat over potatoes, or Miss Audrey Hale who I hear leaked her gender fluids all over the floor when neutralized after predatorily stalking and penetrating single digit age children with her bullets (possibly supplied by the FBI like in other cases). They can sure swing from trees or have their crotches stomped into oblivion. The more you look at the info and history on Marissa, the more disgusting and unquestionably guilty he is. Marissa was an aggressor harassing many people and weebing out over tiny balls that hadn't dropped yet, a total vile criminal possessing CP. |
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Post by deathevokation on Apr 21, 2023 1:56:43 GMT -5
Oh boy..  This is peak millennial moderation right here, confirmed Nazi by who? I know the magician started calling him alt right when he was in damage control mode but I guess since damage control escalated that promoting him to becoming a full blown "confirmed" Nazi who endorses concentration camps just kind of makes sense ("it just works" - Todd Howard).. I love the "just putting it out there" disclaimer too, just incase it doesn't sit well and someone sees through the "subtle" attempt to remove empathy for the victim.. and guess what, victims often end up becoming so distraught and spend so much time stressthinking on their experiences until they start questioning the kind of community that enabled this and defended it in the first place, that victims end up becoming so repulsed they'd adopt opposing ideologies just as a coping mechanism and we'd be lucky if they don't cross the same boundaries that their predator crossed later in life.. we'll never know what happens next but the kid was 17 lol, still a kid.. and even then imagine being someone's predator and saying "oh he was just a socialist not a real human". Also that some people are trying to spin this as the groomer being the one that's ensnared into a toxic relationship with a kid 9 years younger is just so fucking warped that I get a migraine trying to explain, but I will anyway because I'm tilted and a masochist; kids are kids, they lack a lot of things by default, this is through no fault of their own. They're still emotionally immature, they haven't had 29 years to think about what they want out of a relationship, they don't know what they want and might be confused sexually, they're rebellious, they misbehave just because they can when authority figures (let alone a cross forum moderation cabal for a fucking 30 year old video game (that failed miserably on this situation on the Zdoom side, props to Maecaek for being a voice of reason btw)) can't see what they're up to, they're impressionable, concepts such as "reputation" and "trust" often have drastically different meanings to them than they do to an adult, their brains have not fully developed yet, just as you apparently have a problem with boundaries on what to share, so do they! Some have barely passed puberty and you really are selfish and lack empathy if you seriously expect to have a healthy adult LGBTQ+ friendly relationship with them, let alone have them sate your 29 y/o needs after you've groomed them and then go onto blaming them for the relationship being toxic. If they don't live up to your expectations (through no fault of their own) then it's on you. I always thought this was an unwritten rule and more reason why adults shouldn't groom kids and burden them with warped unrealistic expectations and selfish desires, so having to say this out loud is embarrassing and would be bordering on virtue signaling had I not said it to address a talking point. Ofcourse a relationship was going to be toxic, just not in the way you think it is. I know I could have condensed this to "If a kid is aggressively pursuing you then you say no and then block them, it was that fucking easy" but I have ADHD. |
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Post by CittyKat112 on Apr 21, 2023 4:11:14 GMT -5
If he's currently chilled out enough and agrees not to lose his shit if Mayhemic comes back, I wouldn't mind having him back. Jew-Ilya NO, Mayhemic YES! I mean... After reading his posts, I came to the conclusion that Jew-Ilya was hands down the most annoying asshole on Doomer Boards. He talks like an angsty shit-eating teenager with this gay and pathetic rebellious attitude like whenever people are debating small things he always had to shove in his retarded worthless opinion. And he's what, 24 years old now? Fuck him, he's not chilled out and if given a mod or admin position on Doomer Boards, he'll turn it into DW clone in no time. |
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Post by xeepeep on Apr 21, 2023 5:31:11 GMT -5
Most productive mapper alive NO, literal mentally challenged child YES! Great job discounting all of your opinions till the end of time in advance. Yes Joe is often a retard and sometimes a dick, but still he's the fucking man. |
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Post by CittyKat112 on Apr 21, 2023 5:37:36 GMT -5
Most productive mapper alive NO, literal mentally challenged child YES! Great job discounting all of your opinions till the end of time in advance. Yes Joe is often a retard and sometimes a dick, but still he's the fucking man.Most of his maps sucked, but ok. |
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Post by xeepeep on Apr 21, 2023 5:46:49 GMT -5
True, his maps from before 2017/18-ish did suck. But that never discouraged him
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Post by CittyKat112 on Apr 21, 2023 6:01:27 GMT -5
True, his maps from before 2017/18-ish did suck. But that never discouraged him Cool. Still, the problem isn't only that he wasn't a good mapper, he also was ungrateful, entitled shitbag who went as far as to start a DBP without telling Fourty because he thought DBP48 will be a disaster and probably because he also hated Kontra Kommando. He was proven to be right, but that doesn't change the fact he thinks too much of himself. If you want to bring him back, you should talk to Fourty and Jew-Ilya and try to resolve their conflict instead of bitching in this thread. I know a lot of people here share your view of him and even though I personally hate him, I'm also interested in this community to strive and if bringing Jew back can help this forum attract more mappers / make more DBPs, then I won't be a dick about it. I hope you do realize, however, that giving him mod/admin priviliges would be detrimental to this forum as he's become too much of a leftist white knight recently. And idk if Fourty even considers the possibility of unbanning him. |
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Gokuma
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Post by Gokuma on Apr 21, 2023 8:10:50 GMT -5
Of course he shouldn't have mod/admin privileges. I don't know how that idea came up.
EDIT: Or you know what? They could make him a new admin over at ZDoom Forums. Couldn't be any worse.
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CittyKat112
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Post by CittyKat112 on Apr 21, 2023 9:13:36 GMT -5
Of course he shouldn't have mod/admin privileges. I don't know how that idea came up. EDIT: Or you know what? They could make him a new admin over at ZDoom Forums. Couldn't be any worse. That's just me being retarded. I was thinking that if Jew-Ilya were to return, Fourty would either make him a mod or an admin because Fourty himself said he's not fit for his position... Which is bullshit, Fourty and dn are doing a great job at preventing this place from becoming a shitswamp for subhuman degenerates. |
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Gokuma
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Post by Gokuma on Apr 21, 2023 9:58:24 GMT -5
Joe's reputation is cleaner than any ZDoom forum mods.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2023 10:03:24 GMT -5
Joe's reputation is cleaner than any ZDoom forum mods. Yeah, in comparsion, he is a rather nice person, hah. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2023 10:27:04 GMT -5
He's an instigator, so I'm glad joe is not here anymore.
He was not a bad mapper though, so I hope he continues to do maps.
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Gokuma
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Post by Gokuma on Apr 21, 2023 10:29:23 GMT -5
He did sabotage community participation in DBP48 somewhat.
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Post by CittyKat112 on Apr 21, 2023 10:38:16 GMT -5
He's an instigator, so I'm glad joe is not here anymore. He was not a bad mapper though, so I hope he continues to do maps. He does. You can check out his stuff at Doom Universe if you ever want to check out his latest maps. |
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Gokuma
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Post by Gokuma on Apr 21, 2023 20:56:23 GMT -5
How about we allow him back on the condition he does a three map addon pack of non-hell levels for DBP48? They could be map01-map03 to run along with it. Or maps 08-10 to run with it plus the additional set of maps I converted to it (AvTvP Theme Patch maps+Marine1). Coop starts 1-8 and either 8,9,or10 DM starts required. (DBP48's own maps are map33 and nmap01-nmap12). I'd call that making a good amends. Most of the maps were Hell maps because it was originally going to be Steven Seagal vs the Rise of the Machines in Hell before being expanded with everything else and few use the load of custom textures available. Latest version is Zandronum/LZDoom/GZDoom compatible, or RZDoom compatible using Gibbon's alternate wad. EDIT: 3 maps not 5. More reasonable, and quality over quantity. Making a tradition of drafting people into working on DBP48 as punishment. Or he could make them simply Limit Removing but designed for Werner Spahl's Theme Patch 1.7 fixed up by me and I could convert them from that AvTvP to DBP48. Or what would probably be most interesting is make his required punishment to come back only two maps, but one designed for DBP48 and one designed for Theme Patch and I'll convert one for each appropriately to make for a two map pack for DBP48 and Theme Patch. |
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Post by skyr on Apr 21, 2023 21:36:12 GMT -5
I like joe-ilya's maps. Sure, they are a bit clunky, but they have a certain charm I can appreciate. I just miss his maps in the DBPs. That's it. I dont even know if he himself wants to come back. I'm not in contact with him. But other than just increasing my own enjoyments of the DBPs I dont have a horse in this race over this issue. I'm not really invested in the community side of it, so I don't have an opinion of his involvement in this community. (Other than I didnt have any personal issues with him or his posting) I just want more joe-ilya maps in DBPs. Tbf it became a disaster. Gokuma and Kontra kept working on it to be make it a more fleshed out product in the end, but at release it was a fucking disaster. I'm sure you'd like him, he also liked using his status as a mapper to act as if he is more important than others. |
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Post by CittyKat112 on Apr 22, 2023 1:19:03 GMT -5
I like joe-ilya's maps. Sure, they are a bit clunky, but they have a certain charm I can appreciate. I just miss his maps in the DBPs. That's it. I dont even know if he himself wants to come back. I'm not in contact with him. But other than just increasing my own enjoyments of the DBPs I dont have a horse in this race over this issue. I'm not really invested in the community side of it, so I don't have an opinion of his involvement in this community. (Other than I didnt have any personal issues with him or his posting) I just want more joe-ilya maps in DBPs. Tbf it became a disaster. Gokuma and Kontra kept working on it to be make it a more fleshed out product in the end, but at release it was a fucking disaster. I'm sure you'd like him, he also liked using his status as a mapper to act as if he is more important than others. I'm not using my status to pretend I'm the hot shit or something. I know I'm a shitty mapper and not even half as good as Cuppy or Lunchlunch or any other veteran mapper on this forum. I hate him because he's an NPC who supports leftist narratives and talks like he's angry for no reason most of the time and bans people for dumb reasons. I voluntarily left his stupid server because of this. If I really thought I'm 'more important than others' then I'd say something like'IF JEW-ILYA COMES BACK I'LL LEAVE THIS FORUM FOREVER AND YOU'LL NEVER SEE MY MAGNIFICENT MAPS EVER AGAIN!!!'. But you know better of course. |
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Post by deathevokation on Apr 22, 2023 2:29:49 GMT -5
He can be abrasive and can be annoying at times so it's not like he's out of place here.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2023 7:50:05 GMT -5
He can be abrasive and can be annoying at times so it's not like he's out of place here. He kicked me from his server because i called segfault a loser for being gay, he's still as abraisive as he was, but now his abraisiveness comes up when someone goes against his now renewed, highly tolerant views. (although he himself called someone the N-word once, lol.) |
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