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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 10:26:18 GMT -5
Princess Prozac, DW staff holds a position that people whose views, opinions or conduct they consider "unacceptable" can/must be excommunicated from dooming community totally. By acting against these people they assert a sense of having power and influence, which is aided by the fact that the community is historically large, and also by hosting other avenues such as cacowards (which are selected by staff, not by popular vote), reviews posted to idgames mirror now requiring a doomworld account, etc. Doomer boards admins, 40oz and dn, assert the contrary: so long as you are a fan of doom and want to contribute, your opinions shouldn't generally be an obstacle, no matter how offensive someone else may find them. Since the positions are fundamentally opposite, and because of how strongly DW staff clings to their source of power, they obviously don't like doomer boards. Doomer boards openly challenges their attempt at hegemony, having an entire topic exposing all the evil and non-transparent stuff DW engages in. When trying to defame doomer boards in the eyes of their users, Doomworld staff has to engage in deception to hide their real motives, so the arguments they cite in support of their decisions/rants against doomer boards are not always factual, or they are stretched. We can't get along because they are not willing to accept they can't really do anything worthwhile to improve the world. They do not want to live with a feeling of powerlessness, thus they prey on what lucky investments the founders made 2 decades ago. And so long as doomworld users will continue to be doomworld users, they will essentially enable them to do it, sad as it is. (It is called "too big to fail", you might have heard this in connection to large corporations).
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Post by noisomedead on Aug 20, 2021 12:39:55 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 13:04:42 GMT -5
dn 40oz do you ban trolls? Cause the loser with Essel's pfp is an obvious one.
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Post by 40oz on Aug 20, 2021 13:13:32 GMT -5
Banned. We're not using this forum to deadname and circulate transphobia. If you've got a problem with the way the doom community is, then you can talk about that. But we're not attacking people's gender.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 13:14:01 GMT -5
@dmslr, why care to ban an obvious one? I didn't even notice that person,was busy grilling shrimps back then.
Were it a contrived, well-camouflaged identity theft, then I would understand the need for action, but this current one will die on its own if not fed.
UPD: Ah, ok. I didn't read that post attentively to notice the transphobia.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 13:18:21 GMT -5
@dmslr, why care to ban an obvious one? I didn't even notice that person,was busy grilling shrimps back then. Were it a contrived, well-camouflaged identity theft, then I would understand the need for action, but this current one will die on its own if not fed. UPD: Ah, ok. I didn't read that post attentively to notice the transphobia. he won't die. His two previous posts were pretty much ignored but still it didn't help. I don't think banning is a difficult process. |
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Post by xeepeep on Aug 20, 2021 13:33:42 GMT -5
Lol I thought it was actually essel but suddenly very based
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 15:10:55 GMT -5
Banned. We're not using this forum to deadname and circulate transphobia. If you've got a problem with the way the doom community is, then you can talk about that. But we're not attacking people's gender. I really appreciate that |
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Post by 40oz on Aug 20, 2021 16:59:46 GMT -5
Is someone seriously in the business of creating a fake troll account to our forum to justify the dw moderators' campaign to generalize everyone here as toxic by association? It's really fucked up that this is what it's come to. How can marginalized groups possibly feel welcome into this community at all when they make this war so important? I hate that the doomworld administration is obsessed with people coming here to make maps and talk to other doomers. It's just more doom, with people of different interests. If you're a real transphobe, you don't go to the doom community to talk about it. It's a doom community, the "politics" don't matter. They shouldn't ever matter. But doomworld wants it to matter.
This place is for enjoying the game. I didn't enjoy it while I was being harassed with psychological warfare on doomworld, and it's a breath of fresh air to not be under their thumb when im engaging with a community here. They would own that if they wanted to accept the truth but it is what it is. If their policy was actually any good, this community couldn't possibly succeed at anything. I hate that Doomworld cares more about the fight than about the resolution. Just leave us all alone.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 18:10:58 GMT -5
I wanted to ask on DW but to scared to so I figured maybe someone can explain it to me here ... Maybe even in private message ... But why does dw hate db so much ... I hear little here and there but I'm so confused .... So so so confused. Like what did some of the people do here so bad? Also why are some people being judge for stuff they said when they were younger and stupid and admit to being stupid and ignorant then ... We all grow up from our mistakes ... As an original member I can speak a bit on this, although I certainly don't claim to have the entire picture. Back in 2015 I believe(Kontra correct me if I'm wrong), political talk and other "controversial" topics, which had previously been allowed to be discussd, began to be very much discouraged on Doomworld. Well, that is...unless you agreed with the important people. Doomworld, in the spirit of the admittedly liberal wad author John "Dr. Sleep" Anderson(R.I.P.), has always had a liberal tilt to it, which isn't innately good or bad. But the extremism really started ramping up at some point, and in true fascist fashion, Doomworld began treating members who expressed conservative or even libertarian viewpoints quite badly. In response to this, Kontra Kommando created "Dumbworld", whose name was a play on "Doomworld", and I immediately joined on along with Miano. At last we had a place where we could discuss things without fearing that our opinions alone would result in others banning us or treating us differently. The site slowly grew, and in time 40oz and dn joined the site. 40oz made some pretty impressive contributions to the site, and so it was decided that he would be the Forum Administrator, while Kontra retired and pursued other opportunities. The rest is history I guess. The name was changed to Doomer Boards, the site graphics were prettied up, dn was given a banhammer, the DBPs were created and basically exploded, and by god we had ourselves a goddamn rootin' tootin' forum! The site that everyone said was a joke and would never last had actually attracted a lot of people and was cranking out some impressive stuff. Doomworld cool club members were disgusted that we had thrived, and seeing as though we still harbored members who held beliefs not analogous to their own, they went into full snowflake tantrum mode and tried to lash out in several weak attempts. You are witnessing the latest of those attempts. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 19:20:01 GMT -5
It's not him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 19:50:46 GMT -5
40oz the comedian is back
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Post by 40oz on Aug 20, 2021 19:57:48 GMT -5
Doomworld is trying awfully hard with this troll account shit.
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Post by GRUG on Aug 20, 2021 20:11:45 GMT -5
Doomworld is trying awfully hard with this troll account shit. To avoid people creating spam/troll accounts you should probably look to setup a feature where administrators can approve new accounts before they can create posts. Just a thought. I’m pretty sure DW has something similar as a filtering mechanism against spam bots and trolls. |
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Post by ProfessorBigDick on Aug 20, 2021 20:48:20 GMT -5
Doomworld is trying awfully hard with this troll account shit. Relax, I think I recognize this guy. 85% sure I've seen him pull this impersonating shit before on /vr/ which he promptly got banned for. He probably decided to bring his cuntiness here after being B& from there. Looks like I was right because somebody there just admitted to it. |
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Post by 40oz on Aug 20, 2021 21:03:56 GMT -5
ProfessorBigDick Well on the bright side, their troll account allowed whoever it was that just deleted their account shortly after their registering to make that ultra-chad-doomer move just to reduce the member count from 421 to 420 again. Mad respect points to whoever did that. *hits blunt* Speaking of which, 40oz , would you like to comment on our total member count as of now? View Attachment
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Post by ProfessorBigDick on Aug 20, 2021 21:06:51 GMT -5
Lol, yeah. It's great how you can always find a bright side even in this shitstorm.
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Post by 40oz on Aug 20, 2021 21:45:12 GMT -5
I'd hate to be in Endless's shoes right now. If doomworld won't ban you for such a well-respected post that you made in protest of their establishment, people like dew and tarnsman and nine inch heels, the people who pretty much exclusively post on doomworld only to rip someone up in post form, are now spamming comments one after the other on your page. Can you imagine having to constantly see notifications on your dash board with those avatars next to it on a personal status update you made on your own profile? Do you think Endless could possibly be in a good mood right now? It may as well be chinese water torture in internet comments form.
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Post by 40oz on Aug 20, 2021 23:17:21 GMT -5
When you download and play auger;zenith,
and you find the forum URL on it.
Inside of a map.
And you see it.
With your eyes
While playing doom.
There's two scenarios.
Scenario 1:
You can continue playing like an actual doom player and fan. Don't go to your internet browser. You just keep playing. Doom is fun. You know if you're a doom player who likes Doom and is playing Auger;Zenith and having a good time, that playing a wad like this is a unique experience that most doom mappers haven't been able to get right for a long time. Why fuck it up? You'd have to snap a screenshot, or remember the URL in your head, quit out of the game, or alt tab to your web browser so you can register to a website and write comments in a place where doomworld says we glorify hate speech. It's not like the URL is a link you can click on. If you're enjoying the wad, how would doing all those steps be more appealing? You know there's no reason to register yourself in a forum where you can already see the off-topic section that doomworld says is horrible. Unless of course you want to know more about the part of the forum where they build the maps. If you're a toxic person and it's the toxic shit you're interested in, you get that shit for free. Not even "free" as in you don't have to pay anything. I mean free as in you don't even owe this website even the courtesy of telling it who you are. Remember, this is what the DBk people that left called the "registration wall" So you just keep playing and enjoy the wad and hopefully the next DBP would be just as cool. You're only in this for the maps anyway. Not inter-community flame wars. But if you really like the DBP, I mean really like it, from a level design standpoint, and the only part about the doomer boards forum that makes you curious is the obfuscated part where we somehow work together to make something cool even though doomworld people say this is a horrible place. Ok, you might register to do that. Fine.
Scenario 2:
You are an actual toxic asshole, who, as a fan of Doomer Boards Projects, plays them primarily because your "political views" align succinctly with the perceived Doomer Boards political views that doomworld members needlessly remind each other of all the time. You don't have an account at doomer boards already, but you do browse the doomworld forums for doomer boards projects and other controversy-adjacent material. You play auger;zenith after seeing it posted on doomworld, and upon seeing the URL part on MAP03, convinced that this must certainly be "a good time," you quit immediately and open your internet browser to fire up this secret website. This is it! The hidden treasure that has been blatantly in the title of the project for the past thirty-six releases of the series. How could you have missed this? You've finally found the holy grail! The exact URL to the infamous free speech forum! a glorious place where you can voice your shitty far-right political opinions with no resistance! Not on facebook, or twitter where you already have been able to do that forever. But here! On this jank-ass free doom forum. Finally! Playing through all of these stupid doom maps the doom community has been making has finally paid off! You no longer have to be under the gun! Doomer Boards is your new home to infiltrate for all your pro-fascist needs!
Somehow,
even despite all of the Auger;Zenith mentionations for a doomworld cacoward,
and even how the doomer boards project itself keeps attracting mappers, old and new,
and even though the maps are consistently good,
the doomworld collaborative staff are saying its more likely that the growth of the Doomer Boards forum must be because the user base of their forum contains players more like the one in Scenario 2 than there are in Scenario 1. Right? In their words you can't possibly only like the maps. You have to be a borderline toxic asshole and they've used their policy-enforcement powers to ban the project in order to protect you from being swayed into our evil fascist map making cabal. What kind of good community has leaders that think this little of you?
Honestly, if anyone here cared so much, it would be so much easier to find what the scenario 2 person is looking for in an alt-right facebook group or some little discord channel or some bonk ass twitter following ring. With how much time and energy I devote to mapping and testing peoples maps and investing a sincere interest in helping people improve their craft, I don't know how people could possibly believe I somehow have the time to make even remotely decent doom maps AND also covertly nurture a cyber-ku-klux-klan forum as a sect of the Doom community to help exterminate marginalized people at the same fucking time.
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Post by catastrophic on Aug 21, 2021 1:02:02 GMT -5
for a group that claims not to care about doomworld you guys seem to care a lot about what doomworld thinks thats a lot of text wasted on shit you supposedly dont care about are you guys ok or what
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2021 1:35:44 GMT -5
catastrophic, we are ok but you are not. Thinking that an obvious spammer can affect boards reputation is dumb. There is also no claim about not caring about doomworld - you just can't actually read.
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Post by Gokuma on Aug 21, 2021 4:04:32 GMT -5
So I was banned from Doomworld in May a couple months after registering here. Now sure how much that has to do with it, but I know the reasons for my ban were quite pathetic and laughable. And all my content for the last SEVERAL days was deleted/hidden.
Maybe Doomworld wouldn't have such a problem if they weren't banning so much and micromoderating/hypermoderating the shit out of things while one of them hyperhypocritically spews garbage from his bowels all over people.
More on this crap later...
Heh.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2021 5:32:05 GMT -5
What's so bad about a texture advertising the forum where the WAD came from? Apparently they don't want their fascist become our ones. I don't believe I'm saying this shit but, here we are. Also have no futher explanation on this either since this whole mess is ridiculous and not worth of an attention it gets from both sides, apparently. I mean it does but it shall be of much, much lesser scale, duh. Also, the site wasn't created specifically for banned members. It was for conversation not permitted on DW. Just a bit too late to point that out since DB have somewwhat of a shady repo, thanks to misleading and misinterpreting the meanings. I went here because that was yet another place to share my art endeavors. I'll be honest I've wasted that opportunity back then, should've been more active there. Today is the day a sticky thread has been made right front and center on the DW mods sub-forum! We didn't even have to pay for advertisement! A WIN... ish? Oh? Where's this delusional false accusations sperging moderator in there? I want to look in her sorry eyes for claiming me a pedophile without any proofs of a crime given. They can't be serious, right? This can't be a decision of full grown people. Their reasoning is just ridiculous. They can, they are, they are deranged, nothing makes sense, buckle up kids because this shitshow circus is not gonna end in near sight at all. this apparently was the offending post: ... sigh... Well at least you've been unbanned lately, unlike me. Someone on DW must really hate babies painted with adult faces. Ngl I don't like these either yet it gives me no moral right to cancel people who do like these. I mean, come on, it's an art of old days, how's that offending today by any merit if that's just a historical stuff that just... there. Who would've thought that Major Arlene becoming a mod would be the start of doomworld's downfall Me. Because you NEVER, hear me out, NEVER SHALL LET SOMEBODY RANTING ABOUT HOT TUB META TO BE A MOD ON A SERIOUS (LOL) FORUM. Is someone seriously in the business of creating a fake troll account to our forum to justify the dw moderators' campaign to generalize everyone here as toxic by association? Placing my bets on two particular candidades, bb and arlene. Oy vey. If you're a real transphobe, you don't go to the doom community to talk about it. It's a doom community, the "politics" don't matter. Aye, you go on twitter instead. Or reddit, god forbid. . for a group that claims not to care about doomworld you guys seem to care a lot about what doomworld thinks thats a lot of text wasted on shit you supposedly dont care about are you guys ok or what We are alright, the question is, we didn't start the war DW are implying to be present. This place have been stated as a free speech forum, for takes that were not that welcomed one on DW after some, let's say, replacements in general hivemind of the coolclub. == more to come later== |
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Post by dmdr on Aug 21, 2021 6:16:45 GMT -5
whee Endless has a new post up (and I am buttblasted by it) www.doomworld.com/profile/21490-endless/?status=1738452&type=statusOR archive.is/MmUaGif you prefer archive links yo dude you wanna explain why we're 'very bad people' when you've been treated the way you have for sticking up for, not even us, but just the doom maps we make? Did DB'ers do any of that? How was your experience here 'negative'? Because sometimes we like to talk shit about DW in this one individual thread? Get off your knees and reject these shitbags categorically. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2021 6:29:29 GMT -5
I think he implied that Xeep's obsession over his magnum dong.
Not gonna lie I'm feeling offended by his dick fetish too. CUZ I HAVE A DICK TO STUFF IN SOME JUICY PUSSY, JESUS.
Otherwise, I don't know what else might be considered a bad faith in posts here other than some /pol/ talking and takes on dw's actions that speak for themselves way louder than users over there.
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