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Post by use3d on Aug 19, 2021 8:09:55 GMT -5
More weak moderation from Doomworld? Apparently Major Babybrain has never heard of the Streisand Effect. Predictably childish behavior that always emerges when kids play God.
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revae
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Post by revae on Aug 19, 2021 9:54:42 GMT -5
I can confirm that it is revae. Well if that's really him, I hope he doesn't take my negative experience with his magnum opus personally. I know there was huge effort spent on it and it is gratis, but ain't no shoe size that fits all, even were it made of gold and decorated with diamonds. You motherfucker! I jk, it's fine. Opinions in and of themselves aren't usually offensive. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2021 10:51:14 GMT -5
I have been un-banned from DW. Good to know at least some people in the moderation staff have scruples. Gitto never did anything to anyone! I have always behaved in within the forum rules over there too.
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Post by xeepeep on Aug 19, 2021 12:46:50 GMT -5
I have been un-banned from DW. I would guess that the head mods and admins stepped in to clean the horrifying mess the retards like rd and Major Arlene made. Notice how we haven't seen much of Ling recently, for example? I guess if it was unstickied, then DBPs are allowed to have threads on DW again. Wouldn't be so certain of this though. DB has received the message already therefore the sticky serves no purpose anymore. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2021 13:05:14 GMT -5
Notice how we haven't seen much of Ling recently, for example? I think the defining moment was here. Not too much longer after that, Major Arlene became a mod. |
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Post by good-old on Aug 19, 2021 13:14:03 GMT -5
Bless the Tor spammer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2021 13:15:20 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2021 13:35:51 GMT -5
xeepeep, rd' is not a retard, she actually won DW users an ability to get rid of degrading custom titles, which is one thing DW of old DID do fucking wrong (another would be losering people). I'm not against custom titles per se, but clearly against the ones that actually insult a person. That act, of course, doesn't excuse her other actions as a moderator. I used to respect rd' before she became a mod and banned Impie. She hid her shady side long enough, I merely suspected she might have it but otherwise her posts used to be restrained and her knowledge of Doom was actually useful. Still doesn't fit the portrait of retard in my view, it's rather a person unfit to be in position of power, which is a problem DW staff members share in common and is not limited to new members of DW moderation team. A retard would be a person who can't even manage their own life to such extent they need foster care. Like Chris(tine) Chandelier, for example. Can't really consider that person a woman because someone who values being a woman wouldn't do such a disgusting act in my opinion. Murder could keep a person's their right to identify, but rape fucking goes against the idea itself. Also, it's less of a cleaning, more like damage control and cover up. The move was stupid, Obsidian and other DB detractors lost their face over it because the pretense behind the move is much evident (I pointed out in my other post). They (DW detractors) must be trembling now from their impotent anger, laugh in their face to make them tremble even more and literally run around their room like madmen and beat themselves against the walls. @contracommando, I'm happy for you even though I wouldn't value DW membership much. revae, well, welcome! If something I write makes you feel uncomfortable being here, feel free to call me out on that. A bit offtopic: usually, when I share most controversial of my opinions, I'm just in bad mood and/or triggered by someone else's post, it serves as a defense mechanism against the trauma spot another doomer may have hit inadvertendly. The depopulation idea belongs to that category: some irrational thing I have clinged onto in childhood, cause I had a hell of fucked up upbringing; and the pandemic response trainwrecked my life, so when someone hits the latter (by defending more social distancing measures) I lash out with the former, even though I actually respect these measures in real-life.
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Post by 40oz on Aug 19, 2021 13:49:53 GMT -5
@pistoolkip thanks dude, I've been watching all of your videos! I'm happy to hear you're thinking about mapping here.  |
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Post by optimus on Aug 19, 2021 15:59:35 GMT -5
Some random rant on "toxic". Also with DB37 on the background and related to the whole kerfuffle.
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Post by 40oz on Aug 19, 2021 17:21:50 GMT -5
optimus i love your video but it was painful to watch. Im sorry man i hate that this shit is the way that it is. i really hope we can all get ahead of all this eventually. i was reading Devalous' comment on Endless' status too and that was really heavy to read. It just sucks that doomworld is so insistent about making Doom not fun for people anymore. its depressing to watch.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2021 18:07:21 GMT -5
Endless status now has 76 likes and a bunch of comments showing strong support. Our detractors shot themselves in their feet.
Yes Devalous' comment is illuminating:The man got it PERFECTLY.
And by the way, notice how DW users, feeling mods are less likely to reach for comments on status updates, actually expressed the points I was always waiting for DW users to acknowledge. It felt strange to me that DW, being such an unhealthy environment, has no people publicly acknowledging the oppression except long-time refugees on doomer boards. So strange, that people would indeed consider doomer boards toxic and voluntarily stay on doomworld, although the experience must - fucking must - be a lot less bearable there.
What time we are living in - every regime gets exposed for what it really is: Belarus, Russia, now Doomworld. Yesterday you thought you were alone, now you know you are actually majority, but helpless to overthrow the tyrant.
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Post by dmdr on Aug 19, 2021 19:51:25 GMT -5
it's kinda sad that Devalous' friends are so emotionally fragile that they can't deal with the fact there's some grouchiness between forums (which they are in no way obliged to engage with) anyway there's a lot to this and I don't want to write a huge effortpost on the topic (if only because my own thoughts aren't cohesive enough) but I do want to say one thing, which is that this decision is not inexplicable or irrational (I also really doubt that this was Optimus OBSIDIAN acting alone). I've been reading Empires of the Silk Road by Christopher I Beckwith which is about the Aryans, oops soz I forgot we're not allowed to call them that anymore, the Indo-Europeans and their successor cultures which Beckwith, being quite PC, calls the 'Central Eurasian Cultural Complex'. One of the big ways that Beckwith sorts these cultures is by looking at their origin myths and seeing if they follow a particular structure, which in this case means being hired as mercenaries, then betrayed, by an empire that the mythologisers then defeat and take over. This is a very roundabout way of saying that the stories you tell are a determining factor in community membership, or if you prefer, your 'identity'. See also Romulus and Remus, Emperor Yu, Jesus, Mohammed, etc. etc. For a less heavy example, see the dude in this sword fightan thread on Reddit who discusses the 'shared fiction' before sparring with someone (lel. FWIW my sparring fiction is that sword fightan is fun so let's go at it). In any case, stories are powerful, and keeping competing stories away is a pretty important way of retaining community members. Since our origin myth, to some extent, is that we're rebels against the DW hegemony (not entirely untrue as recent events have demonstrated), we present a danger to DW's mythology (that they're safe and inclusive for everyone) and as a consequence it doesn't really serve them to allow us to post our wads over there. If their actions seem a bit like heresy-hunting in early modern Christendom, or perhaps a bit like the Athenians going hard after Socrates, then yes of course, these things were also 'story protection'. I should say that I'm fairly sympathetic to such 'irrationality'. A good example of 'story protection' failure leading to a great deal of misery would be the 30 Years War. More recently the total leftoid cultural victory was enabled by goobers who thought unfettered free speech was a good idea -- it's actually pretty funny when wags accuse leftoids of hypocrisy when they move to crush other people's free speech after spending so long demanding it for themselves. Exploiting your enemy's weaknesses isn't hypocrisy. Protect your myths bros! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 0:29:57 GMT -5
it's kinda sad that Devalous' friends are so emotionally fragile that they can't deal with the fact there's some grouchiness between forums (which they are in no way obliged to engage with) I feel the way you put it is a bit insensititve. A lot of people were profoundly affected by pandemic and/or the governments' response to pandemic, and a feeling of powerlessness resulting from those things, so what's to be surprised that people distance themselves from other domains of their powerlessness? Makes total sense for them to pick up fights they can win and avoid those which they can't. The rest of your post is rather interesting, although it seems we'll have to go to source, that is dig the literature you are reading, cause currently you are coming across as Zarathustra who just descended from mountains to warn about the last man. |
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Post by dmdr on Aug 20, 2021 0:56:22 GMT -5
I was being insensitive, so you're not wrong to feel that way.
More importantly if there's anything you found unclear about my post please ask and I'll do my best to clarify; I didn't write it in order to confuse anyone or otherwise be obtuse.
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Post by optimus on Aug 20, 2021 1:22:30 GMT -5
"(I also really doubt that this was Optimus acting alone)"
Typo?
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Post by middleclassworm on Aug 20, 2021 1:39:35 GMT -5
AD_79 wrote this under the Arlene's status update: "...recently those projects have been primarily produced by people I'd prefer to not think about. Some of these people are banned from this site." Like who, for example? The only people banned from DW who make maps for DBPs are 40oz and joe-ilya, to my knowledge. But joe has his hand in other recent community projects. Let's ban Switcheroom 2 and TMMC2, then! What a load of bullshit. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 2:58:21 GMT -5
I'm glad I can enjoy wads of people whose opinion I disagree with. I like violence.wad by AD_79 for example. The quote comes to mind: The flow of that mapset is incredible.
But oh well, being triggered by mere thought about people behind some artwork because you disagree with their opinions? I would seek treatment for this if I had it, might be symptom of chronic stress or some other condition.
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Post by dmdr on Aug 20, 2021 3:01:13 GMT -5
"(I also really doubt that this was Optimus acting alone)" Typo?
lol yes -- sorry! Def not you. In my defence your names both start with O and have vowels and/or consonants in them as well
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 4:30:11 GMT -5
I feel so stupid asking this ....
I wanted to ask on DW but to scared to so I figured maybe someone can explain it to me here ... Maybe even in private message ... But why does dw hate db so much ... I hear little here and there but I'm so confused .... So so so confused. Like what did some of the people do here so bad? Also why are some people being judge for stuff they said when they were younger and stupid and admit to being stupid and ignorant then ... We all grow up from our mistakes ...
I feel so confused of this drama ..... I also feel like personally I started my doom journey here on DB not on DW which for most is very backwards but I love doom I love to lurk and watch you all here and the shit you boys come up with each month. I feel intimidated by how big DW is and I never know where to start there and now I feel even more uncomfortable posting there since I have started here ... What the fuck is the hate for ??? Like why can't we call talk like adults ... What really happened?!?
Maybe I don't have the right to know but personally I don't want to hate DW, I don't want to hate Major Arlene or any of the admins from DW I just want to understand and be a fucken hippy and love everyone ... DOOM IS AN AMAZING GAME CANT WE JUST FOCUS ON THAT.
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Post by dmdr on Aug 20, 2021 5:47:34 GMT -5
Princess Prozac they're not capable of hate (I could, but won't, do my Zarathustra thing here). basically they're mad that people on this board can say what they like with no consequences and are simultaneously putting out excellent maps, thus demonstrating that it's not necessary to clamp down hard on people in order to have a functioning, productive community. You can see this in the weird fixation on banned members having their maps on DW (at this stage I think the only banned members mapping are joe and 40? So not that many). Actually I have a question too: Optimus OBSIDIAN in the ban announcement (from Nine Inch Heels post on Endless' status update) This is the first I've ever heard of this deal. Was there ever such a thing?
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Post by lunchlunch on Aug 20, 2021 5:55:15 GMT -5
Princess Prozac I've only been around for a year so I'm also new to the DOOM community and don't really understand the history. There's really no reason you should join in on tribalism and "hate" DW or its mods. At least, I don't, I just really disagree with recent decisions and didn't feel comfortable voicing concerns about it there. The messages I received on DW, when I asked more or less the same question you're asking a few weeks ago on rd's post about Auger;Zenith mainly pointed out there was a time on Doomworld around the time of the election when there was a lot of vitriol and sort of a split happened. They no longer allow far right posts I guess, and don't love the sort of posts allowed here like, as just one example given, @vigilantdoomer makes about depopulation. I think to his credit, he's mentioned he just talks in extremes. So there's the fact that they don't like that Doomer Boards doesn't censor a whole lot, DW users reported "feeling unsafe" around it. Besides that it seemed to be pointing to infamous drama episodes from DB's user's pasts. As an example mentioned, because I don't think he'd mind, 40oz made a joke in bad taste by releasing E1 of UAC Ultra 2 on the anniversary of Columbine, starting beef between him and its playtesters or something. That's just one of several grudges between DB and DW. Beyond free speech issues and old grudges some instances of transphobia were linked to. A lot of the stuff doesn't seem worth hanging onto enough to ban the DBPs. For the record I don't pass judgement on any of it, I'm just passing on the gist of what I heard from the DMs I got about it.
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Post by lunchlunch on Aug 20, 2021 6:32:41 GMT -5
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joe-ilya
Hey, Ron! Can we say 'fuck' in the game?
a simple word, a simple turd
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Post by joe-ilya on Aug 20, 2021 8:22:47 GMT -5
Yeah, the argument that DBPs are mostly made by banned DW members was never a valid argument even at its inception, the only banned members that contributed are me, 40oz and Glenzinho (Who no longer maps for DBPs anymore anyways). It's just another lie they tell to get people on their side.
Do we make a Doomworld-friendly version of the DBPs, without my maps, and without 40oz's maps? God forbid an innocent person plays my maps and starts heiling Hitler.
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Post by 40oz on Aug 20, 2021 9:58:16 GMT -5
(from Nine Inch Heels post on Endless' status update) This is the first I've ever heard of this deal. Was there ever such a thing? This is 100% made up. No one has ever talked to me or alluded to a deal of this sort to me, ever. |
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