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Post by Doomguy 2000 on Jul 1, 2021 1:13:44 GMT -5
Check out The reason why Arlene privated her video talking about BOA and be sure to also ready the quote tweets to hear responses from some of her fanboys.
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Post by optimus on Jul 1, 2021 1:53:36 GMT -5
I thought she used to be ok. I've noticed when people elevate their positions in communities, some take it upon themselves, think they are very important and will push whatever ideologies happen to be in their mind. I don't take seriously the "why aren't more women in gaming". It's overplayed by now. Most women were simply not interested for certain hobbies. It had nothing to do with being a woman. You know, harassment or ridicule would happen to male nerds back in the 80s and that didn't prevent a lot of them to continue focusing on their special interests. And I am not too focused to see specifically women in our communities (I mean I don't care about not meeting the numbers). If you like Doom and can participate in the community then it's fine, I am not going to look at you differently because you are a woman. Now, since the internet has exploded and people will write nasty comments especially during the cultural wars where people (including myself) will recognize SJWism, that's normal. But some ideologues would start crying toxic spaces that need to be cleaned up. You know, the communities became more toxic when these ideologues came and tried to control them. They weren't truly toxic before. You had few flamewars and maybe one thinks of some things in games or from gamers that would be too edgy, but the community was going on and nobody bothered except from micro flamewars (for other things than edginess). It's only when Gamergate happened that we have phenomena that are like civil war. The schism in the gaming community, that was big and couldn't have happened back in 90s when the community was smaller and nobody cared in the outside world. Now, it's mainstream and what happens? These ideologues come and scream sexism/racism and push scenarios of the community being toxic and need to clean up, bringing reaction and we have that shit (accelerated by the social media and mainstream news who want to push this feminist agenda). Effectively trying to prove their point "See, I told ya!!!! I just had an opinion and someone called me a feminazi" to perpetuate the cycle of being relevant. They open the pandora's box, I sometimes even wish semi-ironically the community was more exclusive (why is exclusivity bad? shouldn't one protect their own space from invaders?) even though it truly was never exclusive as if you could do a Doom map or play Doom or discuss your love of the game, it didn't matter what was your race or gender. Now, the focus is pushed there pretending to be fighting the evils of gamers, so what do you expect?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 4:16:05 GMT -5
Check out The reason why Arlene privated her video talking about BOA and be sure to also ready the quote tweets to hear responses from some of her fanboys. I kinda was there and remember some part of these. Wouldn't be a lie if I'll say most of the comments were actually civil and chill. And I think comments are not the main issue, but the ratio her video've got. 54 agains almost 200. That says something, isn't? I've noticed when people elevate their positions in communities, some take it upon themselves, think they are very important and will push whatever ideologies happen to be in their mind. That's a flaw of literally 90% of people getting the banhammer (or any irl power really) right in their hands. Community is not about them. It's about a passion over an object that is a hobby of thousands, if not millions.
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Post by xeepeep on Jul 1, 2021 7:04:03 GMT -5
Lol a lot of simping in those replies but I agree, those comments are quite disgusting
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Post by 40oz on Jul 1, 2021 7:12:33 GMT -5
Guys, it's very simple. She doesn't have an "ideology." The comments she's quoting have it all wrong.
In the process of being a let's player for Doom, she gained a lot of fans and followers. And some of those fans and followers are in high places in doomworld. (meaning high-profile mappers or moderators who have their own private discords or whatever) Being included in these groups have cool perks to it like being able to see development builds of BTSX E3 or whatever skillsaw is working on next or some shit. (I don't know if it's those things specifically, but you get access to shit most doom fans don't have.)
In these groups, they HATE certain people, like tormentor. Not because tormentor has ever done anything to them, but because Esselfortium does, and people want to be friends with esselfortium to achieve higher status, so they echo every opinion she has. Arlene made the BOA video because it would get a lot of traffic from the fans that matter to her. Not because she actually feels this way. Even though she says and does things that disgust her to her core, she knows those actions have the backing of the doomworld elite, so she's pigeonholed into acting this way and only this way to preserve her her status. She got in the group, she listened to their opinions about the doom community, and now she imitates them to keep their respect.
She's really rude towards me in the BOA video for reasons I both do and don't understand. I do because I know how this group works, I don't because I've only ever said nice things about her. She's in the doomworld elite now and she won't do the same things I did that kicked me out of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 8:01:22 GMT -5
Fuck cliques and the weak-spined people who suck up to them. I never liked people who act differently because they are hanging around with some person or group since I was kid. Either be yourself, or go into the grinder.
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Post by deathevokation on Jul 1, 2021 15:59:02 GMT -5
I thought she used to be ok. I've noticed when people elevate their positions in communities, some take it upon themselves, think they are very important and will push whatever ideologies happen to be in their mind. I don't take seriously the "why aren't more women in gaming". It's overplayed by now. Most women were simply not interested for certain hobbies. It had nothing to do with being a woman. You know, harassment or ridicule would happen to male nerds back in the 80s and that didn't prevent a lot of them to continue focusing on their special interests. I still remember mustering up the courage to ask this girl I had a crush on in school if she liked video games and was hoping to draw her into a conversation (because quite literally Doom and other FPSes were the only things I could get passionate about when talking) and then getting laughed at immediately afterwards.. ;;
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Post by joe-ilya on Jul 2, 2021 7:14:18 GMT -5
40oz You're forgetting the whole plagiarism that Tormentor has done, and his clickbait series of farewell notes where he didn't leave the community in the end, Torm has a record of lying, and now he's making a concentration camp themed map, it's like he's begging for controversy at this point.
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Post by 40oz on Jul 2, 2021 9:10:08 GMT -5
40oz You're forgetting the whole plagiarism that Tormentor has done, and his clickbait series of farewell notes where he didn't leave the community in the end, Torm has a record of lying, and now he's making a concentration camp themed map, it's like he's begging for controversy at this point. I haven't forgotten. I know what he's been accused of, and I know he's apologized for these things. You're forgetting that the way Tormentor has been and is being treated for this is not a normal or sane way to treat a person. You should know, as a banned doomworld member that makes outstanding contributions to doom projects, that being treated this way is not good. It shouldn't be waved off just because you've experienced similar treatment. It wasn't good when it happened to you, it's not good now. The final product is not all his doing. There are many people working in BOA. In the BOA github there's a lot of publicly viewable discussion where Tormentor was getting in the way of insensitive content in this mod. At the end of the day, mods made under a volunteer effort, much like Doomer Boards Projects, belong to the volunteers that do the work. People involved that made large contributions to the project threatened to pull all their resources if other contributions they made were excluded. By this time, the project was mostly finished. Cutting out the content would make large sections of the project unplayable and/or unpresentable. It significantly delay release, and it would be an enormous amount of effort to replace the pulled content. So when the project was released as is, the players got everything, controversial content and all. It was an unwinnable situation for him.
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Post by matador on Jul 3, 2021 0:41:35 GMT -5
She's really rude towards me in the BOA video for reasons I both do and don't understand. I do because I know how this group works, I don't because I've only ever said nice things about her. She's in the doomworld elite now and she won't do the same things I did that kicked me out of it. I haven't seen the video (and can't, since it's private now) but what do you have to do with BoA?
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Post by Doomguy 2000 on Jul 4, 2021 14:50:57 GMT -5
She's really rude towards me in the BOA video for reasons I both do and don't understand. I do because I know how this group works, I don't because I've only ever said nice things about her. She's in the doomworld elite now and she won't do the same things I did that kicked me out of it. I haven't seen the video (and can't, since it's private now) but what do you have to do with BoA? If you go on the Kiwi Farms, you can still see it in one of the replies in the Doomworld thread.
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Post by dmdr on Jul 6, 2021 18:50:37 GMT -5
I know this thread is really for drama but I'm going to make a positive post, because I see there's been a number of megarad developments since I disappeared (I could make a new thread but my dumb observations don't seem quite important enough for that) Woof! went from a useless project taking precious time away from Crispy development to being TOTALLY AWESOME -- there was room in the port space for a more user-friendly, up-to-date prBoom and now we have one, with demo compatibility and complevels and everything. DEHEXTRA has been implemented more widely and is TOTALLY AWESOME! (I think my compilation vanity project was the first WAD to use it, for what that's worth) A new, cross port mapping standard has appeared, MBF21, and it's TOTALLY AWESOME! DECOHACK allows user-friendly, cross platform DEHACKED development using nothing but a text editor and it's TOTALLY AWESOME! Nothing against WHackED4 of course but as a Linux user having to boot up a virtual machine just to update a DEH was a pain. I'm really happy to see that some development has been happening in the vanilla/demo-compatible space that enlarges the options available to mappers AND allows the players to choose what port they wanna use instead of locking them in to eg. GZDoom or Eternity. Actually speaking of and as a long-time Eternity fan, these new developments have really eaten its lunch -- advanced mapping and gameplay options plus demo comp was what Eternity offered and, well, given the slow pace of dev, I think it's now RIP Eternity. sad
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Post by liveprey87 on Jul 11, 2021 17:22:46 GMT -5
I personally think that for the most part, if not entirely, Tormentor intentionally made the whole Blade of Agony thing for the lulz.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 10:33:55 GMT -5
Doomworld has addressed a person's appeal to remove her custom title which was an anagram "Forum Retard". Actually she (RestlessRodent is a she, I checked her profile) stated she left the community and gave her reasoning (the custom title), but then her title got removed. Doomworld has done a good thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 10:48:44 GMT -5
To elaborate more, it's specifically rd that we should compliment on doing the act in good faith. Also from reading the thread I reckon only admins can set a custom title, but mods can only remove them but not set a new one. Not necessarily true but this is my theory.
To those who think this only happened because both moderator and the person affected were transgendered women, I think what's more is that this can set the precedent of ugly custom titles being removed for all members, and this is what I feel is more important, than the bias we might read into here. I think this evolution can happen because a lot of public seems to agree the title was unwarranted, and that times changed for the better if no new ones like this are issued anymore (whether that actually true or not, the public opinion here is clear).
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Post by 40oz on Jul 17, 2021 10:50:16 GMT -5
Yeah I noticed that a long time ago. I don't know what prompted the title change in the first place. Restless Rodent used to be (EDIT: GhastlyDragon) GhostlyDeath and think that person did a lot of work to develop chocorenderlimits (a source port that displays how many segs and visplanes are shown on screen) which was a very useful source port for those developing vanilla wads.
That hurts to know they asked to have it removed many times before and they were left unanswered.
What? Why would that be irritating? You're leaving a permanent insult on their profile. It's too annoying to go into their profile and change text so they don't have to feel like shit every time they make a post? Why do the moderators deal with this shit?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 10:53:32 GMT -5
40oz, she is not sure if she can act upon it without permission, because apparently only admin can set a new custom title. So by removing it she undoes what an admin has done, if my theory is correct. Undoing what admin has done en masse can be anticipated to be problematic. For now I am presuming mods can only remove custom title but can't assign it. She also said she will petition the admins to remove more such titles. Maybe they can give her a clear pass to remove all of them. Hint: this would also be consistent with their disdain for doomer boards because some members do have custom titles here xD
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Post by xeepeep on Jul 17, 2021 11:34:08 GMT -5
Do people absolutely unironically think the doomworld of 2021 can hold a candle to that of even 2016 (when I registered), let alone the 00s? It's so boring now, can't believe I used to actually enjoy hanging out there. Such a massive shame too, as IMO it used to be one of the most entertaining pockets of the internet. How the fuck did we get here???? Boo fucking hoo someone called me a retard. I'll admit I don't know the backstory behind that title, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't due to RR acting like a retard at some point in the past. If it really wasn't though, then I'm taking my words back.
Am I just a gatekeeping 4chan edgelord?????? Perhaps, idk. I just miss the days when you could be an asshole on the internet.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 11:46:27 GMT -5
xeepeep, grow a pair and be an asshole in real-life. Of course you'll get in prison a few times, but some consciously choose that career path and are not afraid of it.
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Post by good-old on Jul 17, 2021 12:33:22 GMT -5
can't believe I used to actually enjoy hanging out there. Can relate. My DW posts are very cringe-y. Too lazy to delete 250+ of them though. Doomworld has done a good thing. This needs to be bolded and italicised and underlined and ended with "!!!11!!11!!!!11!".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 12:39:18 GMT -5
And the gift finally gave. On Doomworld,: Third Member: And that's why you always keep a quality control for moderators, i received 2 Rudeness points by now, one justified and accepted, other because of i was "Mean" for some reason, what's this ¿the my little pony forum? rd: This is not the place to opportunistically sneak in unrelated grievances about whatever minor infractions you got but disagree with. Comparing these is trivializing the OP's concerns, which current staff really care about.
The fuck with rd having only half-brain which enables her to realize mockery custom titles are bad, but doesn't enable her to realize that opportunistic moderation is equally bad as well. I allocate rd 2 rudeness points per this exchange. I thus not sorry for calling her a whore and a bitch earlier in another thread. It's too early to acquit this character, they are only right in some things but wrong in a whole lot of others.
To clarify: while custom title sticking around for years is surely a worse thing, a minor misfortune cannot be ignored just because a greater one exists, in the same way a criminal is not acquitted of a petty crime because more serious crimes are done by other people. Since that Third Member (it's not their actual nickname at all, I just used it to signify it's neither OP nor a mod I mentioned earlier) also did compliment OP, his opinion is not in any way rude. In real-life there are ways to appeal the court decisions, yet somehow this doesn't translate to a fucking moderation. Play your little government all the hell you want, Doomworld, but you are missing quite a lot of jurisprudence study.
Also, forums where you can't post off-topic at all deserve to die.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 12:47:49 GMT -5
Another point why I think Kurogachii had the right to post it is because discussion about what is wrong with Doomworld staff is MUCH warranted, and it would be very cool if users could bring up everything they don't like about Doomworld actions on Doomworld threads and petition staff to change their outlook. The custom titles are just one of those things wrong, many more things are in fact wrong and deserve to be addressed. And staff must not try to prevent people from bringing up their discontent with staff actions.
Descend from your golden chairs, the fucking Doomworld staff, and talk to your fucking people.
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Post by good-old on Jul 17, 2021 12:57:09 GMT -5
If people backed out of DW already, this shit wouldn't have existed. But it does, because some people won't go to a better place, and some who want to do so still stay there because it's the only doom place where they have an account on, and they want to stay in touch with the good people there. Monopoly abuse.
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Post by xeepeep on Jul 17, 2021 13:01:50 GMT -5
xeepeep, grow a pair and be an asshole in real-life. Of course you'll get in prison a few times, but some consciously choose that career path and are not afraid of it. I don't like being an asshole IRL, I don't get pleasure from seeing people being uncomfortable. The internet is my outlet for all negative energy that accumulates in me. Plus I'm very non-threatening physically so most men could probably beat me up. Also good-old what's your doomworld username? I don't think I remember you. If people backed out of DW already, this shit wouldn't have existed. But it does, because some people won't go to a better place, and some who want to do so still stay there because it's the only doom place where they have an account on, and they want to stay in touch with the good people there. Monopoly abuse. There is no better place. ZDoom forums, the only other major Doom forum, is too developer- and modder-oriented (unlike DW which is mapper-oriented, and mapping is the easiest kind of Doom modding). There's also the small and kinda fringe outer rim that are for example /vr/, the terrywad community, and hell even Doomer boards.
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