joe-ilya
Hey, Ron! Can we say 'fuck' in the game?
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Post by joe-ilya on Jun 16, 2021 14:05:45 GMT -5
IMO, forcing the player to stop in his tracks in the middle of a map, so that several lines of political dialog show up on your screen is something I'd call "shoehorned in", it wouldn't feel that way if that text was optional, or at the very least if it was skippable.
There's also environmental storytelling, which could lead to reaching to those conclusions on their own, without being on the nose. I would say it could be an analogy story to the pandemic, but the pandemic still exists and there's nothing you can do to make everyone think about anything else but Corona, when stuff like "Magic disease that only kills elderly, and asthmatic folk" and "Castle Quarantine" pops-up in the middle of the screen.
You're ok with the politics in the TC because it was advertised by others as a political novel due to the controversy.
But on its own it wasn't advertised as such, so when people thought they were going to play a Hexen/Heretic style Doom TC but instead have to sit through political dialog, they got understandably upset, not only because of partially false advertisement, but also because not everyone experienced the pandemic like you and Impie did, some people (even the younger, non-asthmatic, and even perfectly healthy ones) actually did suffer the virus and/or die, or have someone they care about die (my grandfather for example was only in his mid-70's when he died because of it), so the dialog seems apathetic and offensive; pretending like nothing happened, as if it doesn't matter that people who are old or asthmatic are dead due to something that could've been prevented, unlike some types of cancer.
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good-old
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Post by good-old on Jun 21, 2021 11:30:16 GMT -5
Is there a list I can see so I don't piss off the wrong people? I'm pretty late, but I found it. Didn't expect it to be accessible to everyone: www.doomworld.com/staff/ |
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joe-ilya
Hey, Ron! Can we say 'fuck' in the game?
a simple word, a simple turd
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Post by joe-ilya on Jun 21, 2021 12:47:15 GMT -5
Even if you don't piss off the wrong people, there's still a chance that the one person you insulted would become a mod.
BTW, I'm not seeing dew on that page.
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Post by xeepeep on Jun 21, 2021 16:14:42 GMT -5
That staff page is interesting but I don't think you can navigate to it from the homepage.
Also doomworld's rules of conduct are still hosted only on wayback machine, 4 years after the redesign, and nobody seems to even notice.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 8:41:38 GMT -5
'Women Have Vaginas' and see how far you get. Pussy quest? Oh yeah I'm all-in and up for it LET'S GO. Honestly, this month has sucked ass quite a lot regarding community-interactions. Here's crossing my fingers for more good stuff in the following days. I was tought by life lessons that such thoughts are help to keep you in check, but unfortunately your hopes will not be heard by the Universe. Or God. Or Devil. Because nobody would care about that. Only for your skeletons and dirty laundry. And so... following days would not be any better. Not with the attitude of people behind the wheels of community. I understand that many of them are talented and might be actually good people, BUT. There's one, big, fucking, BUT. They project real life shitfest onto a game, a community, and thus they literally advocate for slow killing of community. Woke makes broke. Community had high standards, now these standards are buried in seas of constant bullshit and irrevelant real life shit that being projected on twhat supposed to be a literal shelter from it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2021 8:12:38 GMT -5
joe-ilya, a wad (or a game in general) not meeting someone's expectations - whatever those expectations be - is an ubiquitous thing. It is not limited to political content. It may be difficulty. It may be unwarranted humor in the middle of the game which was dark and edgy before that point (think Anachronox, also I bet TVTropes has a name for this type of thing). It may be inclusions of puzzles or other kind of gameplay thing. I would describe your contributions to "Luminous Gloom" DBP as not matching my expectations both appearance and gameplay wise. Does it mean that your creative liberty should have been restricted according to my tastes? Even I don't think so - I simply opted out of further playtesting, but that doesn't mean those maps aren't legit. The original post on Doomworld sure mentioned Castle Quarantine in both description and screenshots. Also, according to Impie (he mentioned this in a post preceding the start of drama): So it was a novel upgraded to a game, he made an effort to translate a story into actual 3D world, and what a great world - from gameplay perspective - that turned out to be! Also, this is what walterc wrote at the end of his post where he introduced this drama on doomer boards: This actually makes me think if it's good to make a mod based upon a "bureaucratic hell" concept (my idea for Deadly standards 4 theme) or if it will be seen as a some of political attack by someone... It's on page 45 if you want to check. So now because of this fucking drama we have other accomplished mappers thinking whether they should restrict their ideas according to "what if it offends someone". And your advice is "yeah, stay out of politics when you make wads". I would prefer it the other way around - if one wants to make a mod supporting lockdown, they are free to do it as well. Even if this means I probably won't play that thing. Freedom of speech and freedom of expression go both ways.
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nxGangrel
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Post by nxGangrel on Jun 26, 2021 17:02:14 GMT -5
Enjoy the fucking environment of fear and intimidation you faggots have built, I hope it serves you well This is a beautiful line that reflects how I feel about the world in general. Thank you I hate to butt in, like usual I haven't been around and haven't been paying attention and am very lost, but I'm guessing nothing has changed, huh? Maybe we should actively make offensive wads to fuck with the cocksuckers at DW, I'm all for that. Maybe I'm just a toxic satanist, but edgy wads are really funny. |
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Post by xeepeep on Jun 26, 2021 19:18:11 GMT -5
Maybe we should actively make offensive wads to fuck with the cocksuckers at DW, I'm all for that. Hate to be the party pooper, but this forum has just started getting rid of the old alt-right reputation among DW-ers, chiefly due to DBPs which really evolved into something beautiful, although with the split I'd say its most glorious days are behind it. I think we're better off not introducing more bad blood into the relationship. Idk tho! I just shitpost here these days! |
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nxGangrel
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Post by nxGangrel on Jun 27, 2021 7:52:54 GMT -5
ate to be the party pooper, but this forum has just started getting rid of the old alt-right reputation among DW-ers It has? I thought DB was always going to have that stigma attached to it, at least a little. Even I've started to become a right leaning edge lord (though that has nothing to do with this site at all) Also with the whole DBK thing or whatever that drama is, who left? |
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Post by xeepeep on Jun 27, 2021 11:00:56 GMT -5
Biggest names are glenzinho and Big Ol Billy. Glen was super passionate about the DBPs and pumped out a solid quantity of maps each month while Billy is incredibly talented in many ways and I think the good reputation of the protects is largely due to him. Another couple of people left but they're not as important imo. You can check out a couple of threads here for more info.
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Post by 40oz on Jun 27, 2021 15:14:32 GMT -5
theyre all equally important because theyre all real people with talents and a respect for doom. Fame and notoriety does not matter. it never matters. it doesnt matter what people think about us vs. them. it doesnt matter what people think about me, it doesnt matter what people think about the doomer boards forum. it doesnt matter what people think about doomer boards project. all that matters is that the game is enjoyable to play and talk about because thats the game we all like and thats what we have in common. i dont care about anything else while im here.
they get together and talk shit about me where i dont see it because they must think im important but im not. everyone is exactly as important as anyone else. were not here to redeem our reputations with doomworld and get out accounts and respect back. were not trying to become famous. were not trying to win cacowards and expand our community, and were definitely not going to usurp my project to use as a vehicle to achieve any that.
the only thing that matters is making doom enjoyable. as much and as often as i have to say this, i seem to find myself talking with people who act as though my intentions must be different. theyre not. i dont want your respect. i dont want anyones respect. i love the game and i only want people here who love it with me.
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MegaPancakeStrategist
You're trying to say you like DOS better than me, right?
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Post by MegaPancakeStrategist on Jun 27, 2021 16:10:35 GMT -5
I believe it's a community thing that belongs to all of us Doomer Boarders! You have UAC Ultra 2 as your project! |
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joe-ilya
Hey, Ron! Can we say 'fuck' in the game?
a simple word, a simple turd
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Post by joe-ilya on Jun 27, 2021 17:03:37 GMT -5
were not trying to win cacowards and expand our community, We're not trying to expand our community? |
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Post by 40oz on Jun 27, 2021 18:19:42 GMT -5
I believe it's a community thing that belongs to all of us Doomer Boarders! You have UAC Ultra 2 as your project! i started it because im the admin here, and we had a bunch of doomers here not doing doom related anything. it was just a place doomers were using to vent about the doom community or leftist politics where they didnt have to follow doomworlds rules. Theres a doom projects subforum here, and no one else was making projects here, so i did it. i created the format. i made the rules, i curated the resources, i padded out every project with maps, and it gave everyone who participated something useful to do besides bitch about doomworld all day. it a series because i made it that way. it was my idea. i slapped the doomer boards label on it because this forum was gifted to me. Defining ourselves as being "not doomworld" was a depressing subject to base a doom subcommunity on, and its not fun for me to be surrounded by community drama all the time. i wanna make maps. i wanna talk about maps. i wanna talk about why doom is so fun. So i gave us something mapping related to do, because mapping is what i like about Doom. i dont care about the fame or the notoriety. i just like to make maps and watch people enjoy playing them. Thats what the doom community is for in my vision, and i like the people in this community so i share that process with you so we can experience it together. the ownership of each months end product belongs to the mappers because they created the content within. but the project belongs to me because i made it specifically for use with this forum and the forum belongs to me. were not trying to win cacowards and expand our community, We're not trying to expand our community? is that what you are here for? thats not what im here for. its not "we" im here to work on my mapping craft with the help of other mappers and playtesters, and help other mappers with their's. if people want to come here, they will find this place organically. im not interested in pulling people in here that dont want to be here. |
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joe-ilya
Hey, Ron! Can we say 'fuck' in the game?
a simple word, a simple turd
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Post by joe-ilya on Jun 28, 2021 5:20:09 GMT -5
Why are you pretending like you weren't actively trying to expand the community?
You, and many others were recruiting mappers, I was recruited here by Glen, and I remember you said you recruited Zillah to map for DBP27.
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Post by 40oz on Jun 28, 2021 7:24:00 GMT -5
the projects being finished, released, and playable on time is and always will be important to me. dont conflate what i do with what glen does. i dont tell glen what to do. i told people about dbp27 because there was seemingly no activity under the project you were leading for several weeks. The only map from what i could see was an unfinished dehacked demonstration.
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NuMetalManiak
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Post by NuMetalManiak on Jun 29, 2021 15:49:02 GMT -5
I've decided to play this too. Thoughts so far: Storytelling is okay, I'll give it that. One thing I will say is that I had to turn off ALL weather and explosion effects, cause this framerate of mine tanks so quickly from all of that fancy lighting and shit and everything else they decided to throw in. The outside levels in particular, even without the effects on, go below 30 FPS for me. Episode 1 is alright, no real troubles here. Episode 2 I just finished as well, had a surprise ending too. HOWEVER there were some major issues with certain levels like when I blow up a wall the fucking game ABORTED so I had to noclip past that script to continue. There were a few moments where the game fucking crashed and I documented those to be when you finish battling the first few SS mechas, the one level with the electricity tunnels at the part where you blow up a fire extinguisher near a cracked wall. And I'm just starting episode 3 and after you go through the whole base of the first mission to the detonation switch and climb through a vent more explosions caused the game to crash. Clearly this stuff ought to be worked on by now but I'd imagine if the devs are seeing this they can probably understand that there are parts where the game crashes. Also I am definitely not a fan of either of the stealth segments, but that's just my opinion of course. Then there's the second mission in the third episode. I'm currently on it right now. I can sum it up in one screenshot:  I CAN'T FUCKING SEE SHIT, FAM. No lie, that entire level will be nothing but seeing this beige sky everywhere. Actually, I can't even play this level either cause the framerate is at an all-time low and even with godmoding it it's no fun. It seems they tried to innovate the usage of a tank here and the controls need to get some use to but good luck if you don't have a ultrasupercomputer that can compute the gravitational pull of the Sirius star or something cause this level will go at a snail's pace regardless. And again, I turned all weather effects off and put all my settings to low quality, so this damn fog shouldn't even be around. I noticed that Torm and his crew made some levels split into several but this particular level definitely needed to be split, good lord it's unplayable in its current state. Don't mean to disrespect the team behind BoA, they definitely tried and did well in several areas, but they've got a lot more issues that I originally expected. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 3:56:58 GMT -5
I didn't like BoA, second level is quite a jump in difficulty from the first one, also I don't like this story, why did they bother to reference real-life events with that camp shit if it is somekind of fantasy about medics capable of combat shooting syringe, ubersoldiers and the like? Will have to restart with the League of German Girls difficulty, but either way doesn't seem like I will have much fun with this one, cause the story doesn't appeal to me. Not that it is bad, I simply don't have sweet spot for this stuff, maybe because I never played Wolfenstein in childhood.
I've really enjoyed Dynamite Duchess and had completed it on the lowest difficulty, and will revisit it on medium difficulty. Already began in fact, the inventory stuff (healing, grenades, etc.) now appears to be rather necessary, especially since I started to play a bit in speedrunner-like fashion.
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dn
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Post by dn on Jun 30, 2021 4:42:23 GMT -5
Looks like Glaucoma Doom is shaping up nicely.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 5:58:45 GMT -5
!!!
Would be cool to have a Doom mod where you roll up to three disabilities at the restart of each level. Of course, mod intended to be general purpose to play whatever the wad you want with it, just with added challenge that is also randomized.
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nxGangrel
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Post by nxGangrel on Jun 30, 2021 7:38:42 GMT -5
Just checked the link out. I didn't know Major Arlene was a moderator. She seemed alright. |
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good-old
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Post by good-old on Jun 30, 2021 7:45:35 GMT -5
!!! Would be cool to have a Doom mod where you roll up to three disabilities at the restart of each level. Of course, mod intended to be general purpose to play whatever the wad you want with it, just with added challenge that is also randomized. kinda does that, it's not always a disability, it's usually just added monsters and iirc monster upgrades in a way. Can't exactly recall the frequency of you getting cards and other stuff, but it still fits the description well. |
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good-old
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Post by good-old on Jun 30, 2021 7:53:02 GMT -5
Just checked the link out. I didn't know Major Arlene was a moderator. She seemed alright. Yeah, she "seems" alright. She's just another member of the coolclub, one of the "higher" ones because I see her being the moderator in nearly every discord server I see her active in. Also DW, as the link mentions. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2021 14:05:10 GMT -5
Well unfortunately she isn't. That's not the issue she's a moderator, the issue is she think of herself as a person that may decide for others who they are, what they are thinking and what they are doing. All these things are wrong. Absolutely. |
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nxGangrel
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Post by nxGangrel on Jun 30, 2021 16:54:21 GMT -5
Ah, see I had no idea of that since when I was still around in DW she was just kind of there. I guess she moved up in the ranks since I left... Which was a while ago come to think about it... Holy shit
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