MegaPancakeStrategist
You're trying to say you like DOS better than me, right?
IF YOU ARE READING THIS YOUR MAP NEEDS MORE LIGHTING VARIATION
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Post by MegaPancakeStrategist on Jun 12, 2021 12:02:09 GMT -5
I'm glad you guys are here because without this place I'd have given up on the Doom community by now (for better or worse lol). Doom's a cool game I like it.
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Lobo
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Post by Lobo on Jun 12, 2021 13:39:21 GMT -5
Justince 40ozI think you're both right: your positions are not mutually exclusive. DW will go nuts if a wad is politically incorrect, and they will also microscopically analyse a wad by someone who is persona non grata and use political correctness as the excuse to go to town on the author. At least that's the impression I've been getting recently.
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MegaPancakeStrategist
You're trying to say you like DOS better than me, right?
IF YOU ARE READING THIS YOUR MAP NEEDS MORE LIGHTING VARIATION
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Post by MegaPancakeStrategist on Jun 13, 2021 11:53:56 GMT -5
Friendly reminder that censoring any content in your Doom WADs is a waste of time and that censoring your content in response to backlash is super lame.
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peerdolius
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I met God and he was THOD - Viper
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Post by peerdolius on Jun 13, 2021 14:15:41 GMT -5
Friendly reminder that censoring any content in your Doom WADs is a waste of time and that censoring your content in response to backlash is super lame. If you give the mob an inch, they WILL take a mile.
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xeepeep
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Post by xeepeep on Jun 13, 2021 18:20:56 GMT -5
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dn
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the motherfucking darknation
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Post by dn on Jun 13, 2021 19:54:00 GMT -5
well that simply won't dew.
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dn
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the motherfucking darknation
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Post by dn on Jun 13, 2021 20:15:56 GMT -5
we've hit the big leagues once again, lads. The tempest-tossed are banging on the golden door.
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joe-ilya
Hey, Ron! Can we say 'fuck' in the game?
a simple word, a simple turd
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Post by joe-ilya on Jun 13, 2021 21:00:13 GMT -5
Apparently I'm worse than a website whose sole purpose is to harass everyone.
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xeepeep
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Post by xeepeep on Jun 13, 2021 21:25:13 GMT -5
Link to thread: kiwifarms.net/threads/doomworld.28307/page-14#post-9190844Also, according to the super shotgun guy, GE (terrywad crew) is still working on BPA???????? I have a beta version of that thing from 2018 on my hard drive from back when I used to hang out with them. Fucking hell what's taking them so long?
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Post by Doomguy 2000 on Jun 13, 2021 21:27:18 GMT -5
I don't know man I'm not sure when it's gonna come out.
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matador
You're trying to say you like DOS better than me, right?
I feel asleep.
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Post by matador on Jun 14, 2021 0:45:25 GMT -5
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Post by sosh on Jun 14, 2021 2:55:12 GMT -5
I've got to E2 of Blade of Agony and now I have a question: was that barkeeper always there? I mean, E2 came out the same year Randi left ZDoom project team and forums for good and since then barely anyone heard of Randi at all, so the only way for someone to know that she did the name change and all was being in contact with her, or randomly checking the changed wiki entry, or having someone mention that. If doomwiki change history is accurate, the transition happened after E2 release (with NPC referencing Randi in it) and... for 4 years seemingly no one cared about it until "concerned people" came out and claimed that it all has been done on purpose to commit discrimination against Randi on the grounds of her being transgender. This particular accusation towards this project seems like a massive stretch to me. Like, how is the reference transphobic if it was done before said tragedy came up in the first place and the crew haven't known about that at all? Someone also mentioned "fucked up anti-jew propaganda" and in reality it was just a copy-paste job of the real thing which also was bog standard "greedy jews control stuff" shit you can find on the Internet even nowadays. I haven't made it to magical concentration camp yet so I can't comment on it, but I see how using references to real people that aren't in pre-approved "do whatever you want to them" list would be questionable.
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Post by middleclassworm on Jun 14, 2021 4:05:11 GMT -5
The whole HFFM fiasko is beyond hilarious, to be honest. I tried, at some point, to persuade project leader to release it on DB, but without any luck, sadly. Instead, he delegated making a DW thread to Juza, known local contrarian, who fucks everything up, probably on purpose, and puts an uncensored version of the wad in public (complete with slurs in the txt and map names). Unsurprisingly, thread gets helled pretty much instantly. Then dew comes in the /vr thread, along with his typical aggressive behavior. Result seen above. I feel like mods just get tired of his shit, since this not the first time he casually walks in and start making threats. The project in question is actually very good, I still hope they will release it here eventually.
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Post by optimus on Jun 14, 2021 5:03:24 GMT -5
Welcome to the postmodern world. Enjoy your stay!
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MegaPancakeStrategist
You're trying to say you like DOS better than me, right?
IF YOU ARE READING THIS YOUR MAP NEEDS MORE LIGHTING VARIATION
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Post by MegaPancakeStrategist on Jun 14, 2021 13:13:08 GMT -5
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Post by Endless on Jun 14, 2021 17:57:13 GMT -5
Honestly, this month has sucked ass quite a lot regarding community-interactions. Here's crossing my fingers for more good stuff in the following days.
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papasrod
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why can i not portforward eh
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Post by papasrod on Jun 14, 2021 21:02:57 GMT -5
I wonder how long this will last.
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Deleted
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 23:05:57 GMT -5
Welcome to the ultra-degenerate world. Enjoy your stay! aka Doomworld's motto translated from NewSpeak. ("progressive" in NewSpeak is "degenerate" in English).
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Post by optimus on Jun 15, 2021 3:03:19 GMT -5
Wow, that's an interesting post. It reminds me the notion "worlds are violence". Here "words are magic violence"
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dn
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the motherfucking darknation
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Post by dn on Jun 15, 2021 5:28:15 GMT -5
Politics is, ultimately, violence: a political system cannot function without violence or the threat of violence. In the first world, that violence most often manifests itself as either sanctions or a deprivation of liberties (ie: they make you a criminal). This has been the case throughout human history. We smother the reality of political violence in cotton wool these days, but if you buck the system, damage the baronial / trader classes, or question ideological orthodoxy often enough you *will* be punished.
Ergo, "Words are violence" is a direct result of "Everything is political".
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40oz
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Post by 40oz on Jun 15, 2021 5:55:19 GMT -5
Honestly, this month has sucked ass quite a lot regarding community-interactions. Here's crossing my fingers for more good stuff in the following days. I agree man, this fucking sucks. I wish people cared more about doom and just celebrated people for being a part of it.
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Deleted
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2021 22:47:59 GMT -5
I agree man, this fucking sucks. I wish people cared more about doom and just celebrated people for being a part of it. You make a good point. However, I think that as long as forums like these allow for relatively free expression, even on topics that directly pertain to Doom mapping, there will always be the potential for disagreements that metastasize into more damaging arguments. To some degree it's human nature, exacerbated by the nature of communicating from behind a keyboard or smartphone. Even if you were to eliminate the Off Topic forum sections, these types of poor interactions will still inevitably happen. It's an unfortunate situation.
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joe-ilya
Hey, Ron! Can we say 'fuck' in the game?
a simple word, a simple turd
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Post by joe-ilya on Jun 16, 2021 2:33:03 GMT -5
Best you can do is not engage in such politics, if a Doom mod has politics you disagree with, no matter how distasteful you think they are, be polite about it. I think we can all agree that if Scuba Steve was polite in his first reply instead of being condescending, then we wouldn't get that fiendish side of Impie, not to play the blame game against Scuba Steve, but everyone is at fault here, from Impie putting the politics in their mod, to Scuba Steve being impolite and everyone else who piled on; so why not ban everyone who was in that thread? I get that Impie started the thread and deserves it the most as a result, but by not banning anyone else, be it for a week or so, this encourages people to respond impolitely, knowing they won't get banned because they're not the ones who started the conversation, which leads to this continuous game of baiting people, that some love to play so much.
Regarding the mod :
Nobody plays Doom to read, if you want people to read, then write in a place where people come to read.
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Deleted
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2021 11:25:38 GMT -5
No, Impie is not to blame for putting "politics" into his mod. I also envy his ability to express his frustration with lockdown in art. I am still taking antidepressants and still have erratic sleep schedule. Never contracted COVID-19, but the restrictive measures took a massive tool on my mental health. Something the shitty governments never paid attention to.
Develop some empathy, man. Impie was able to channel real-life events into a very good TC - he wasn't "shoehorning politics" into his mod, but the very concept was birthed into existence thanks to real-life happenings. I am playing Dynamite Duchess whenever I can find time for that, it is amazing work that would perhaps get Cacoward in some parallel universe where Doomworld staff retains sanity through 2010-2020ss. I also love how combat starts much sooner in the game than in Blade of Agony, Cheogsh 2 and other great conversions on Gzdoom.
On your "nobody plays Doom to read" - you don't speak for everyone. I am actually enjoying the story while playing on the easiest difficulty. I enjoy searching around for stuff, it is like Hexen's little brother, except that stuff is generally easier to guess here. Also let's not forget that in one of DBP's you made a map where there was a non-trivial way to exit and you said that you want people to figure stuff out, now if I would be an asshole that pretends to speak for everyone, I would say "no one wants that shit, we play Doom to kill monsters and not as a platforming simulator". I never played map myself but I saw a youtuber struggle, I am glad I never bothered playing that map. So may you sh... well, fuck. Your remark annoys me, please don't make assumptions about what people play Doom for or what they would like to do alongside "playing proper". I enjoy reading readmes and the like of Doom wads, like sunlust_extra_info.txt or Deus Vult II stuff.
tl;dr This is a fucking TC man, so it can feature whatever stuff is atypical for Doom, including storytelling and whatnot. And also take inspiration from whatever the fuck it wants, including real-life events.
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Lobo
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Post by Lobo on Jun 16, 2021 13:48:40 GMT -5
I like stories in mods too. If I just want to shoot shit then I play a shooty mod. If I want something with a bit of background and dialogs etc. then that's good too.
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