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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2024 5:04:45 GMT -5
She would love to be a part of a doom community, but since she is pansexual, nonbinary, mixed race, and on the autism spectrum, and shes seen the way people across the doom community treat people like her. The only times she can really talk about Doom is when its with me. Dont point me to other gender nonconforming, non straight women in the Doom community. They participate in the Doom community despite the way people, like you, treat them and the people that stand by their side. I know quite a few people in non-doom communities that would probably really like Doom. The doomer boards forum could be rich with young hopeful promising mappers, and hot vampire goth catgirls that would fangirl over our maps. But the resentful conservative attitudes against progressive, non-traditional ideas, and emerging social trends are a powerful repellent for them. Its really depressing to watch a world around me full of potentially awesome doom fans that could create amazing Doom things that will never register here because they know they will have to routinely endure your militant shittiness. Knowing how ive seen you and people like you treat children that dont express themself with the maturity and cynicism of a loser 30 year old man, I would never subject my step daughter to have to deal with someone like you that would have no reservations in telling her to fuck right off not unlike what you did to me just now. ![](https://i.vgy.me/iJ10iu.png)
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Post by thelokk on Jul 5, 2024 6:05:24 GMT -5
Derailing the thread as it went from mildly amusing to plain painful to read. Ive shown her how to make maps in the editor and she loved it up until UDB crashed on her and she lost like 4 hours of progress. You show her how to make maps, and don't show her how to save progress? bruh, that's cold. Should probably mention to her that UDB makes regular autosave files in the map's save folder. Never got into Roblox because I fucking hate LEGO (my sister used to force me to play with them and I hated it, Barbies were more fun), but Minecraft is pretty based to mod. Some of the modding tools for it are so convenient - just the other day I was trying to see if a utility to make Minecraft skies could be repurposed to make Doom skyboxes. Didn't work.
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Post by 40oz on Jul 5, 2024 6:32:58 GMT -5
I like to imagine helikeschimps and shiba reaching up to Tangra for a high five in moments like this. Right after he just spent the last three posts making a defense for himself about not being a shitty person and being misunderstood. Seems like these guys get it!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2024 8:23:26 GMT -5
I like to imagine helikeschimps and shiba reaching up to Tangra for a high five in moments like this. I was moreso making fun of you being a total soyboy.
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Post by thundercunt on Jul 5, 2024 12:37:16 GMT -5
She would love to be a part of a doom community, but since she is pansexual, nonbinary, mixed race, and on the autism spectrum, and shes seen the way people across the doom community treat people like her. Which doom community are you talking about?
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Post by Tangra on Jul 5, 2024 12:46:12 GMT -5
I like to imagine helikeschimps and shiba reaching up to Tangra for a high five in moments like this. Keep imagining things, you're good at it.
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Post by Bob Page on Jul 6, 2024 2:48:50 GMT -5
She would love to be a part of a doom community, but since she is pansexual, nonbinary, mixed race, and on the autism spectrum, and shes seen the way people across the doom community treat people like her. The only times she can really talk about Doom is when its with me. Dont point me to other gender nonconforming, non straight women in the Doom community. They participate in the Doom community despite the way people, like you, treat them and the people that stand by their side. I know quite a few people in non-doom communities that would probably really like Doom. The doomer boards forum could be rich with young hopeful promising mappers, and hot vampire goth catgirls that would fangirl over our maps. But the resentful conservative attitudes against progressive, non-traditional ideas, and emerging social trends are a powerful repellent for them. I don't mean any sarcasm here; just asking an honest question. What would be stopping your significant other from participating in the Doom community under an avatar and made-up mapping/forum name of her choice(like most of us do currently), and without disclosing irrelevant details like her sexuality, gender, or race? Your significant other's personal information/real-life characteristics aren't required to be disclosed to the community in order to participate in Doom discussion, mapping projects, etc. But my interpretation of your post is that you feel as though she would be treated badly because of who she is, if she were to participate. Even if we assume that you are indeed correct about this, how would anyone know any of that information unless she or someone like you, who knows her personally, were to share it voluntarily? I have no clue about your ethnicity or sexual leanings or job or housing situation or favorite ice cream, or that of Kontra or DN, or really anyone here. Maybe everyone else on this forum is actually half-Pacific Islander/half-Persian and is also gender non-conforming with XXY chromosomes - I have no idea. I never ask people for their personal information because I don't think it's any of my business. I'm more interested in speaking with them about Doom or things that are at least tangentially related to Doom. Sure, we certainly go way off topic from time to time, but at least for me personally I wouldn't be horrified or angered if I was to find out years later that I was swapping stories or ideas with someone who isn't a heterosexual white male.
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Post by dr_st on Jul 6, 2024 2:49:19 GMT -5
She would love to be a part of a doom community, but since she is pansexual, nonbinary, mixed race, and on the autism spectrum, and shes seen the way people across the doom community treat people like her. I have to ask here - how are all these things even remotely relevant to someone being a "doomer" or a "mapper"? Judging by the hugely disproportionate exposure that people's sexualities and gender identities seem to occupy in the discussions of all the Doom communities I know, I wonder - is there something special about Doom that makes the people participating need to push these aspects of themselves into everything? Alternatively, perhaps there is a strong correlation between being "on the autistic spectrum" and prominence in Doom? I think it could be fascinating to have a study on this.
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Post by joe-ilya on Jul 6, 2024 3:42:40 GMT -5
I think 40oz's partner he's talking about is princessprozac, who has participated here from DBP37 until DBP40. She seems to have quit for no reason, there were no flame wars nor anybody verbally attacking her. My guess she just wasn't comfortable with all the anti-trans talk next door while participating in the projects, it was probably getting hard to ignore when that politically incorrect talk was becoming more defining of this forum than the DBPs. Look at it this way; what's more defining Doomer Boards? a finished DBP thread being made every month, or a politically incorrect thread being made every couple days that is way more active?
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Post by 40oz on Jul 6, 2024 7:23:08 GMT -5
Which doom community are you talking about? I said a doom community. A collective of doom fans in any place where they can talk to each other. If you're asking between doomworld and doomer boards, it's both. They both have unaddressed problems about the way people are allowed to treat each other.
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Post by 40oz on Jul 6, 2024 7:24:17 GMT -5
I don't mean any sarcasm here; just asking an honest question. What would be stopping your significant other from participating in the Doom community under an avatar and made-up mapping/forum name of her choice(like most of us do currently), and without disclosing irrelevant details like her sexuality, gender, or race? Your significant other's personal information/real-life characteristics aren't required to be disclosed to the community in order to participate in Doom discussion, mapping projects, etc. But my interpretation of your post is that you feel as though she would be treated badly because of who she is, if she were to participate. Even if we assume that you are indeed correct about this, how would anyone know any of that information unless she or someone like you, who knows her personally, were to share it voluntarily? I have no clue about your ethnicity or sexual leanings or job or housing situation or favorite ice cream, or that of Kontra or DN, or really anyone here. Maybe everyone else on this forum is actually half-Pacific Islander/half-Persian and is also gender non-conforming with XXY chromosomes - I have no idea. I never ask people for their personal information because I don't think it's any of my business. I'm more interested in speaking with them about Doom or things that are at least tangentially related to Doom. Sure, we certainly go way off topic from time to time, but at least for me personally I wouldn't be horrified or angered if I was to find out years later that I was swapping stories or ideas with someone who isn't a heterosexual white male. Thank you for expressing your questions in a kind way. Can you help me to understand what you would find an acceptable answer is for this? I can talk about this barrier abstractly with hypotheticals and personal experiences for the millionth time only to once again not be believed, or I can point to the concrete example like helikeschimps post just a few posts above. What could possibly count towards your understanding of this topic?
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Post by 40oz on Jul 6, 2024 7:42:24 GMT -5
I have to ask here - how are all these things even remotely relevant to someone being a "doomer" or a "mapper"? Judging by the hugely disproportionate exposure that people's sexualities and gender identities seem to occupy in the discussions of all the Doom communities I know, I wonder - is there something special about Doom that makes the people participating need to push these aspects of themselves into everything? Alternatively, perhaps there is a strong correlation between being "on the autistic spectrum" and prominence in Doom? I think it could be fascinating to have a study on this. Can you cite some examples of what you're reading? re: pushing these aspects of themselves into everything? My interpretation of what I read on this forum is an extremely disproportionate expression of personal belief that gay and gender nonconforming people, expressing loudly or quietly, are annoying, bad for the community, disgusting, deserving of being bullied into submission, etc. even outside of this forum. I personally know people who enjoy or would enjoy Doom and would probably like to make friends with people who enjoy Doom, but they would be targetted and hurt by people who need to say this. I'm equally perplexed on why this kind of behavior is relevant to doom as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2024 8:01:51 GMT -5
what's more defining Doomer Boards? a finished DBP thread being made every month, or a politically incorrect thread being made every couple days that is way more active? Both.
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Post by dr_st on Jul 6, 2024 8:29:06 GMT -5
Can you cite some examples of what you're reading? re: pushing these aspects of themselves into everything? No, I cannot. I have to assume they exist, though, because otherwise, why would this become the topic of discussion at all? Like, who cares? What is the relevance? For example, do you know how I define my sexuality or gender identity? My race, skin color, religion? Whether I've ever being diagnosed with any disorder? I suppose you can deduce some of it, but most likely only through my comments in threads discussing these topics in general. Why would any of this be relevant in a thread discussing Doom, maps, or video games? I'm equally perplexed on why this kind of behavior is relevant to doom as well. Is this a chicken-n-egg thing? I suppose a certain percentage of doomers, and forum-goers in general, are these bigoted, gay-hating, and other bad-things-you-can-say-about-them trolls. Do you see them going around asking every other forum member "say, you don't happen to be gay or non-binary?", just so they can laugh at them and put them down?
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Post by 40oz on Jul 6, 2024 9:39:17 GMT -5
No, I cannot. I have to assume they exist, though, because otherwise, why would this become the topic of discussion at all? Like, who cares? What is the relevance? We're partially in agreement about this. I don't know why its so important. Women, gay people, non binary people, trans people, and non white people are confirmed to enjoy Doom. Isolating the game from the community, there's nothing in the game that advocates why they shouldn't. But inside the doom community, this forum especially, there's a very obvious conflict of interest between me and the louder members of this forum that if they come near their hobby in any way, they will bully them away. I'm not forcing my partner and stepdaughter into the kind of abuse that I would expect to take place here, because unfortunately for the loud forum members here, my partner and stepdaughter share some of the same beliefs I do that this kind of treatment of people is really bad. No one can make a compelling case for what this bullying has to do with Doom, but over and over, people on this forum point to the identities of the people (more specifically, being exposed to their identity in any way) as the problem. The obvious conclusion is that the members are misogynists, homophobes, bigots, racists... not those advocating for the proliferation of the Doom community. This is a problem for me as a community leader centered around Doom. I'm spending a lot of time pretending like the people I'm talking to here are fellow Doom fans, but when I write actual doom related topics, they are nowhere to be found, and they arent writing doom topics themselves. They're performing mental gymnastics about how their participation on this forum is normal and rooted in common sense, and silent compared to the overwhelming screams and cries of pride parades, and black lives matter, and other woke things that are not even here, and not taking Doom away from them. For example, do you know how I define my sexuality or gender identity? My race, skin color, religion? Whether I've ever being diagnosed with any disorder? Yeah I'll try. I like this game. But only if you tell the truth. My guess is straight, man, white, agnostic, no diagnosed disorders. Maybe you wear glasses or contacts or something.
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Post by TimeOfDeath on Jul 6, 2024 9:59:38 GMT -5
She would love to be a part of a doom community, but since she is pansexual, nonbinary, mixed race, and on the autism spectrum, and shes seen the way people across the doom community treat people like her. The only times she can really talk about Doom is when its with me. Dont point me to other gender nonconforming, non straight women in the Doom community. They participate in the Doom community despite the way people, like you, treat them and the people that stand by their side. I know quite a few people in non-doom communities that would probably really like Doom. The doomer boards forum could be rich with young hopeful promising mappers, and hot vampire goth catgirls that would fangirl over our maps. But the resentful conservative attitudes against progressive, non-traditional ideas, and emerging social trends are a powerful repellent for them. I need to simplify this so my pea-brain can understand. Your wife is a biological female (XX sex chromosomes) who's married to you, a biological male (XY sex chromosomes), right? Just like God intended!
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Post by 40oz on Jul 6, 2024 10:02:30 GMT -5
TimeOfDeath not married but everything else is correct.
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Post by joe-ilya on Jul 6, 2024 10:09:36 GMT -5
what's more defining Doomer Boards? a finished DBP thread being made every month, or a politically incorrect thread being made every couple days that is way more active? Both. So why would a pansexual person bother to contribute to a DBP when both sides are equally as defining?
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Post by thelokk on Jul 6, 2024 10:48:50 GMT -5
Two full pages of circular arguments repeated ad nauseam, padded with unfunny memes and cheap gotchas.
Meanwhile DBP67 is more than halfway through, with a grand total of six maps submitted.
Let that sink in.
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Post by joe-ilya on Jul 6, 2024 11:20:27 GMT -5
Two full pages of circular arguments repeated ad nauseam, padded with unfunny memes and cheap gotchas. Meanwhile DBP67 is more than halfway through, with a grand total of six maps submitted. Let that sink in. So you contributed to both this thread and the DBP, congrats, you've changed absolutely nothing.
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Post by thelokk on Jul 6, 2024 11:52:15 GMT -5
Two full pages of circular arguments repeated ad nauseam, padded with unfunny memes and cheap gotchas. Meanwhile DBP67 is more than halfway through, with a grand total of six maps submitted. Let that sink in. So you contributed to both this thread and the DBP, congrats, you've changed absolutely nothing. Point being? They should have thrown away the keys to the banhammer dungeon you were in. Opening the cage was exactly the sort of shit this board didn't need.
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Jul 6, 2024 15:31:24 GMT -5
They're performing mental gymnastics about how their participation on this forum is normal and rooted in common sense, and silent compared to the overwhelming screams and cries of pride parades, and black lives matter, and other woke things that are not even here, and not taking Doom away from them. The rational side of the bigot™ faction is simply that browbeating ideologues suck and destroy things so keep that BS out of our hobby. BLM was an ideological movement and did not serve the interests of blacks. Gender ideology is likewise the same. Both have had a significant negative impact on culture, media, hobbies and the communities around them for anyone that isn't a pretty devoted leftist. Once again I'll draw parallels to the stranglehold conservative christians used to have on culture. I didn't want those preachy ideologues around me then and nothing has changed for me. If it's fair to be critical of christians, republicans, scientologists, or whatever then like it or not gender and sexuality have been placed right on the table next to everything else thanks to the modern left. You're just not going to be able to put that genie back in the bottle in today's world no matter how hard you try. Especially when younger people haven't experienced a world where that wasn't the case. I'm just watching obvious cycles repeat with different coats of paint. Speaking of cycles, you don't get why people are critical of it while others don't get how you seem so naive. That will not change and threads like this will continue ad nauseam, accomplishing nothing. As for Doom discussion, I'm a middle aged man with a full time job and other obligations. I'm not going to talk about Doom like I would have as a middle schooler. That's not intended as a dig at anyone, just where I'm at. My interest is primarily on maps and playing them, which I think my limited interactions on that front reflects. As someone who's life is actually effected by things like politics I also think my interest in other topics are reflected by my activity here as well.
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Post by Bob Page on Jul 6, 2024 15:46:09 GMT -5
My interpretation of what I read on this forum is an extremely disproportionate expression of personal belief that gay and gender nonconforming people, expressing loudly or quietly, are annoying, bad for the community, disgusting, deserving of being bullied into submission, etc. even outside of this forum. If I agree to concede that at times, among a certain subset of forum members, what you've said here is true, would you agree to concede that there are times in the Doom community where certain members of special interest groups overshare their personal details and see hatred/bigotry when it isn't necessarily present? I do think that maybe some of the posts you've observed here are a reaction to people being constantly bombarded with DEI(Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) and identity politics. I don't think that the negative posts you've witnessed here are happening in a vacuum. If people didn't feel as though LGBTQ topics were constantly being thrust into the forefront, I doubt they'd be discussing them. To be clear, I'm not offering a blanket excuse for every Doomer Boards post that was ever written on the topic, but I think it's fair to say that some posts are essentially politely agreeing to disagree with the LGBTQ lifestyle and espouse a "live and let live" philosophy, while others are much more nasty and condemning. Is that fair? Here's an interesting article that I found which may be relevant to the topic at hand.
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Post by dr_st on Jul 6, 2024 16:37:40 GMT -5
But inside the doom community, this forum especially, there's a very obvious conflict of interest between me and the louder members of this forum that if they come near their hobby in any way, they will bully them away. Really, who's been saying that? Aren't you extrapolating? I'm spending a lot of time pretending like the people I'm talking to here are fellow Doom fans, but when I write actual doom related topics, they are nowhere to be found, and they arent writing doom topics themselves. Is this your feeling about a handful of specific members, or do you feel the majority here is like this? Because I do see participation in Doom topics, not to mention the DBPs themselves. Yeah I'll try. I like this game. But only if you tell the truth. My guess is straight, man, white, agnostic, no diagnosed disorders. Maybe you wear glasses or contacts or something. That's sufficiently close, and if I had lived in the US where you live, may have been considered accurate. I don't wear glasses or contacts either. Yet. Like most people, I expect I will at some point need them, as I get older. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) As for Doom discussion, I'm a middle aged man with a full time job and other obligations. I'm not going to talk about Doom like I would have as a middle schooler. That's not intended as a dig at anyone, just where I'm at. My interest is primarily on maps and playing them, which I think my limited interactions on that front reflects. As someone who's life is actually effected by things like politics I also think my interest in other topics are reflected by my activity here as well. I suppose, I can understand why you find it more important or interesting to discuss politics rather than Doom. But why do so on a forum dedicated to Doom?
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Jul 6, 2024 17:00:05 GMT -5
I suppose, I can understand why you find it more important or interesting to discuss politics rather than Doom. But why do so on a forum dedicated to Doom? Why would I avoid off-topic discussions I find interesting on a site I'm active on? That wouldn't make any sense to me.
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