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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 3:04:56 GMT -5
4. It's just a shitty thing to do when we all could at least be celebrating some common ground in such divisive times with the 30th anniversary of a game we enjoy. Why isn't "the shitty thing" you're describing an entire thread in this forum dedicated to vicious, nasty comments about members on another site using some of the most derogatory, hateful language possible about their appearance/race/gender/sex/who cares? You want others to " celebrate some common ground in such divisive times" but why doesn't that extend to conduct here? The worst offense I committed was not writing an article, which is pretty paltry as far as "shitty things" go... compared to being called a cuck three times and a "g@y ass nibba" while saying nothing of the hostility and slurs hurled at gay/lesbian/trans people on this site who exist in the broader community. Why isn't the "common ground" moderating the discourse on this forum to be more inclusive? Delete the thread full of mean posts about other members? You want an olive branch to be extended, but are you asking yourself " should someone extend one?" Oh no man lol, you did way more than that. Do I ned to remind you of a slippery slope you've made at doom awards when nobody have called you a paedophile but you yourself? Or that you are affiliated with literal subhuman sacks of shit that were tried to cover up for marisa the pedogician? Like kevansevans for example. Or how you've cucked out from Blade of Agony when it started to get hit by wokistani zealots? Do I have to remind you your whining here is no different from what you and your cronies/friends from fun police and kulkidz are doing, realistically? You've stated yourself that DBPs are no longer participate in cacowards solely because your recrum feels offended by the freedom of speech there, not much else, and that there's no democracy on dw (you've spilled the quiet part loud, retard), so it pretty much saying about you and the reat of the jannies. Your entitlement is beyond merit as well as amount of milk Kiwi do feom your fuck ups, because it's quite clear you've lost the touch with reality and the only reason why troonworld is such "peaceful" is because the axe wounds such as essel are dictate their lunacy on others while the userbase seething in shadows from your policies. you haven't made doomworld a better place since 2015, in fact you've juat made it the chapel of hypocrisy and autofellatio. do us all a favor steve, get the fuck out from here.
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Post by dn on Dec 12, 2023 3:14:39 GMT -5
scubasteve Was that first post on DW your idea? Because that was, for the first time in my knowledge, actual acknowledgement from management that certain wads and people are banned because of their political leanings. It was the stupidest fucking post in the history of the forums. And you did it during the community equivalent of the Oscars. People aren't acting out because they are angry - they are calling you a cuck because you just confirmed what they've been saying for the past 7+ years. You silly fucker, you just vindicated every single person here who suspected they were banned because Drumph and Muh Nazis, you've just said that YES, a clique of venomous pornsick incels can and will have you banned on Doomworld. Technician: vindicated. Kontra: vindicated. 40oz: vindicated. darkfuckingnation: vindicated. You just legitimized every ounce of fucking bile that gets squirted in your direction. What's being witnessed here? This isn't a Fuck Scuba Steve moment aimed at doomworld, this is a I Fucking Told You So moment aimed at everyone else who is watching with no fucking skin in the game. I really hope that post was your idea, because if someone was egging you on to put your name to that piece of fucking folly... well, then you'd know for sure you have no friends on the inside of that swamp of disingenuous reptiles.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 3:43:01 GMT -5
I'm not even being cycnical here, but why do you care? Many of you wear your bans from Doomworld as a badge of honor, so why does it matter to you if the DoomerBoard projects get any publicity on the Cacowards? All of you are well aware of the tenuous relationship regarding the release of DBPs on the Doomworld forums and that any posts cannot publicize these forums. Why is the onus on everyone else to tolerate some truly anti-social behavior on behalf of members of this forum, as opposed to members of this forum biting their tongue and keeping comments to themselves? There's literally an entire thread devoted to making rude, disparaging comments about other community members... hell, in this thread alone I see that I am both a "giant" and "total cuck," a "real douche" and a "shill." Nothing written about me gets under my skin, but you're acting like my uncle-in-law who used to dress up in costumes and stand on street corners accosting pedestrians... somehow he could never quite figure out why people stopped inviting him to family holiday parties. You revel in operating a crass, counter-culture space and then act indignant when the community-at-large abstains from giving you publicity. So why do you make the DoomerBoard Projects? Is it because you love creating art for Doom, or because you want the greater community's adulation? It's shit like Gokuma's last sentence " Boy, I do love ominous foreshadowing and there's been some things left unattended stewing and putrefying, ripe for unveiling." That's not normal... getting so angry about an amateur, freelance niche community ceremony that you want to leak harmful things about people? We're all just a group of hobbyists modifying a thirty-year-old game, tone it down and have a little empathy, jeez. Dude, it's hard to spare any of you empathy, especially knowing how the administrative circles of DW operate. Literally - look in the mirror. Sperging below:And, also, antisocial? are you projecting? Doomworld by itself - is antisocial. The Admins and jannies are all constantly policing how people speak, you're required to conform to a specific view ( 1. It's concerning the man whom made the game you all made internet-careers from) (And yes, not everybody will agree that autogyphiliacs are women, surpriZe). You cannot disagree with the moderators, or else you're banned (which is something you don't really see here, despite how argumentative things get here, 40oz rarely ever banned someone for simply talking back). Also, certain opinions are tolerated only if a specifically chosen person expresses it (Harsh criticism is usually only tolerated if a community figurehead spouts it, or the subject is unanimously agreed to be inadequate). Even WAD creation is pozzed. (1) Making sequels is not for everyone ( 2), ignore any other sequel of a long discontinued WAD more prominent members made ( 1) (Whether with permission or not), it's not important, eh? And have you ever thought that your own behaviour may make people inclined to say "Disparaging" comments about you, or anyone else here? In your case, people hate you because you're jewish pedantic, condenscending, and always assume moral high-ground, even if there is none to be taken. You ever skim through what you write, Steven? (To refresh your memory, here's a screencap of you causing a ruckus out of nowhere on the BoomerDimension server (Which got cucked recently :sad face:)) And as for the counter-culture here - of course people would abstain from DOOMWORLD'S brand. It monopolized most of the Doom clout a forum could get, is run by vibrant homosexuals who openly defended a pedophile, or at the least, associate themselves with those people. ( Zdoom). It's not very appealing to work along with such filth. And the "community-at-large" just flocks to whoever has the most approval, with Doomworld's (pathetic by game-community standards) 30k members, of course most normies would follow in their lead, it's normal herd mentality, very simple social phenomenon - people follow a leader. If you want people to minimally agree to disagree, stop being so extreme in your measures. The Doomer Boards Project is just 40oz's way to unite the site's userbase for a singular community effort (Which works well, as evident by how many DBP's have been hosted successfuly). And Cacowards are supposed to have the scope of the whole community, so it's unsurprising someone would want DB featured. We already know one DBP from before, that was highly requested, and became a runner-up for the Cacowards. And what stopped DBP's from being nominated, or even mentioned before (WHICH WOULD RESULT IN A BAN LOL PRIOR TO 2018 LOLOLOLOL) is DW's petty grudge against 40oz for daring to start his own forum. Maybe people here want to get famous, maybe don't, what is it to you if you're in it for the sheer enthusiams of creation, and not the ability to gain control over a community (Which you did), or gaining notoriety? The Cacowards are of course extremely important, we couldn't have gone without nepotistic elitists awarding their friends over and over again; It's essential for a Doom Community experience. (Major Arlene gave herself a Cacoward once BTW, that's how bad your system is). And if we all are just enthusiasts, why did you and your clique get upset at the DoomAwards? Shouldn't they get to express themselves freely, too? Looks like to me, since Bloodshedder stepped down as an admin, ones like you got into power to insert your own politics and notions into the community (think back to the "Ultra-progressive world of the future" in the "Off-topic" tab of DW), since back then you could be Edgy on DW, even the admins themselves were. TL;DR:Shut the fuck up, Steve.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 5:56:54 GMT -5
Fascinating how "go woke go broke" takes such an interesting form, innit? xD
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Post by thundercunt on Dec 12, 2023 7:01:40 GMT -5
Lol, this might be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen on the internet. How can this people be so retarded?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 7:16:22 GMT -5
While we're on it, about that thread I mentioned, Where DW users try to cancel John Carmack fir attending a political convention. The first reply to it is: This is John (Andrea) Ravenski, who, while claiming the moral highground, has this Kiwifarms thread about him. Political sperg, unskilled speedrunner who regularly throws tantrums, and at one point said the N-word. And obviously a genderspecial person. scubasteve would you support this person too? By your logic, you should shun him off DW, since he was hostile towards people based on race and sex before. He agrees with the narrative that DW upholds as of now, but at the same time, his past record suggests he's not truthful. Or is there a justification because he's trans? I think this example nullifies any argument supporting the notion that DBs is a toxic platform, look who you're hosting on your own.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 7:18:18 GMT -5
Lol, this might be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen on the internet. How can this people be so retarded?
Don't ask me man,I don't run in those circles anymore.
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Post by lutumlautus on Dec 12, 2023 7:40:37 GMT -5
fuck, I saw Carmack's actual account at the very beginning of the 30 year anniversary pre-stream chat, asking Romero if his camera & microphone are working. I wonder what would have happened if I had posted that DW thread there ... well probably not much since Carmack wouldn't care about such trivial things, but it would've been funny anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 7:44:22 GMT -5
While we're on it, about that thread I mentioned, Where DW users try to cancel John Carmack fir attending a political convention. The first reply to it is: This is John (Andrea) Ravenski, who, while claiming the moral highground, has this Kiwifarms thread about him. Political sperg, unskilled speedrunner who regularly throws tantrums, and at one point said the N-word. And obviously a genderspecial person. scubasteve would you support this person too? By your logic, you should shun him off DW, since he was hostile towards people based on race and sex before. He agrees with the narrative that DW upholds as of now, but at the same time, his past record suggests he's not truthful. Or is there a justification because he's trans? I think this example nullifies any argument supporting the notion that DBs is a toxic platform, look who you're hosting on your own. Awwww, I had to know that retard. Such a shame. Oh, shame...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 7:45:43 GMT -5
Lol, this might be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen on the internet. How can this people be so retarded?
The ways of Slaanesh are beyond our comprehension.
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Post by matador on Dec 12, 2023 10:14:21 GMT -5
scubasteve Was that first post on DW your idea? Because that was, for the first time in my knowledge, actual acknowledgement from management that certain wads and people are banned because of their political leanings. Perceived political leanings. Outside of 40oz & thelokk, I have no idea what the politics of any other DBP59 mapper are*. * Excluding my own, obviously, but I keep that to myself.
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Post by optimus on Dec 12, 2023 10:43:23 GMT -5
Soon there will be the time where it won't matter if some people call other people isms. Essel was saying in that old post "mah hate towards blacks, jews, etc..". I've seen few accounts with Palestinian flags on Doomworld recently. It's trending with the left, it's the same people who accuse you of isms. Now that the shit hit the fan in the middle east, we will see if any of these accusations make sense. It doesn't matter, it won't matter anymore, everyone is faking morality.
Like really, most content on Doomerboards is so milktoast and rarely a bit of edgy, but nothing terrifying compared to what you see in social media. This community has even produced so much good content and most of the posts are around Doom and other non controversial subjects. It's just a bit more open to not immediately banning or closing non-PC conversations. But those are more rare nowadays.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 11:18:40 GMT -5
scubasteve TBH, this place is not that offensive at all, it is just normal people in the Doom community when you don't coerce them with being banned for speaking their minds. Here's the thing about young men in their 20s and even 30s (men in general, shit I am almost 40!), especially people who like stuff like Doom, metal, etc. If you try to browbeat them with puritanical (insert bullshit: i.e. woke, religion, whatever) they're going to push back at you, on principle. This whole website was a push back against being told you can't do something. It has been almost a decade, and you guys still don't get that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 11:25:12 GMT -5
As someone with basically no personal investment regarding the relationship between Doomworld and Doomer Boards, I have to say I don't really understand a lot of the shit slinging between either side. A lot of the users here are either banned on DW or not interested in participating there, so why do so many people here care about engaging with them and endlessly complaining about their policies? Can there not just be two separate forums in the English speaking Doom community? I understand the desire to have one, unified community. But both forums have grown independently of one another regardless, and there's no stopping someone from participating on both forums (I guess unless they're already banned on one or the other).
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Post by xeepeep on Dec 12, 2023 11:29:44 GMT -5
Oh my god stop being such a bunch of annoying f@990ts. Drama is fun! I want more of it! I want blood! I want Doomworld and Doomer boards to hate each other forever!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 11:31:30 GMT -5
Also, the forum was never officially dedicated to an Anti-DW agenda, is was merely meant to be an alternative. A DW without the moderation policy, frankly I don't even know what is considered offensive or not on DW. It seems to change like the weather. If this place is anti-DW it is because you guys at DW keep creating more anti-DW people who come here to vent their frustrations. That's not against the rules.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 11:51:27 GMT -5
If this website was created because you could not say certain things on DW, why would we care if people want to talk shit about DW?
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Post by thelokk on Dec 12, 2023 11:51:27 GMT -5
It's probably a good thing I'm not, nor ever will be, in a leading position for DBPs - if it were for me, I wouldn't even post them on DW any longer. Not my habit to lick the hand that slaps me.
On the other hand, one could argue that by posting them there, DW at least serves some kind of actual purpose - shilling one's own work is all that platform is good for nowadays.
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Post by Killer5 on Dec 12, 2023 12:14:03 GMT -5
Hmmm I wonder why people care too sometimes, but it is easy to be reminded when everyone who isn't with them is everything esselfortium's post says.
Almost all things for me drama wise has been a reaction to something that someone on dw did. Slav mentioned the whole tormentor thing where people dog piled him for the 'master-race' difficulty thing, arlene then dedicated an entire stream to discussing the whole matter which I found so distasteful as to make me physically ill (iirc arlene also made an entire youtube video she deleted talking about revealing female sprites or something). I left doomworld on my own volition after the whole banning people for hate speech/bigoted language OUTSIDE of doomworld thing where posts were edited by mods without dates to prove they were edited to avoid taking responsibility.
Sometimes drama like the 'fun police'/magus marisa stuff happens where everyone will want to discuss it (especially when it involves people who slander others just like esselfortium's post). The discussions here happen publicly on this forum, but I bet a lot of the other drama you just never see (as illustrated by that dude who made a whole youtube video about the zdoom drama that happened).
These people keep poking the bear so there will always be a reaction to it. I would 100% bet everything is 1000x worse in discords. Leaving discord was one of the best decisions I have ever made for this reason.
This kind of drama you just accept and move on in this community unfortunately. I learned to just deal with it especially when there are many people here that make it worth my time to stick around (it is fun playtesting wads).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 12:51:25 GMT -5
it's funny cuz i'm probably everything essel is saying, yet if you go through mine or anyone else's posting history you'll find basically memes, actually talking about games and generally inoffensive shit. so you kinda have to point out they're being pieces of shit at that point, in case anyone didn't get the memo yet. and the scale of unneededly fucking with doomer boards on such an occasion is already on another level than any "anti doomworld" posting you'll find here in the last year or so. i honestly think they deserve a lot more shit at this point
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Post by deathevokation on Dec 12, 2023 12:53:58 GMT -5
Oh my god stop being such a bunch of annoying f@990ts. Drama is fun! I want more of it! I want blood! I want Doomworld and Doomer boards to hate each other forever! lol I can't help but be dismayed at the fact that users here use this drama to 100% emphasize other people's sexual orientation and preferences instead of the fact that it turns out you might have been falsely advertising your size all along..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 12:54:51 GMT -5
This kind of drama you just accept and move on in this community unfortunately. I learned to just deal with it especially when there are many people here that make it worth my time to stick around (it is fun playtesting wads). Good point, I'm sure as I stick around the Doom scene I'll see a lot more petty grudges crop up lol. I spent way too much of my teenage years and early 20's immersing myself in stupid internet melodrama, and I ended up becoming a lot happier IRL when I learned to just ignore it and move on (and I advise others to do the same). I don't have the patience or care to engage with that kind of thing anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 13:29:06 GMT -5
First annual cacawards
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