StodgyAyatollah
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Dec 10, 2023 22:14:20 GMT -5
After what a mod accused me of on DW it became crystal clear to me that these types of accusations were just about social ostracization and nothing else. I feel bad for 40oz getting the brunt of a lot of BS now that I have a better understanding of just how shitty some of these people are. I do think that any average DW user that comes here will quickly start seeing through the smear campaign though. People are generally smart enough to tell the difference. Since having as many regular people buy into the farce as possible is required I think it's essentially a house of cards awaiting the inevitable. At least the more optimistic part of my brain thinks that. The pessimistic side thinks that people care little for truth and will simply side with the larger more powerful social group due to survival instinct.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 22:22:03 GMT -5
not that i would personally mind if you were actually far right, we could freely discuss some controversial shit then, i just feel it doesn't really matter in the context of doom. the only gatekeeping that exists against they/them commies is their unwillingness to partake in anything that's not some kind of hugbox in which their internet social status is connected to their political opinion (as evidenced by the "based tr@nny" phenomenon for instance)
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Post by Killer5 on Dec 10, 2023 22:30:59 GMT -5
Will never be 'far-right' because that entails an aspect of racial supremacy.
Started off libertarian then moved towards a conservative viewpoint based on current events in the States starting in 2020 and my own experience in a professional setting.
I agree with you that this is inappropriate for a doom setting. Which is why I am now done talking about politics.
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CittyKat112
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Post by CittyKat112 on Dec 10, 2023 23:26:51 GMT -5
I just checked and it wasn't even mentioned in the runner ups unlike Auger;Zenith. Bruh. Well, it was expected and honestly I'm more disappointed that DBP59 didn't blow up yet. I mean, in some aspects it's even better than A;Z and all those gimmicks 40oz managed to add without resorting to using Boom are fucking crazy. Also DBPs made me appreciate 40oz's approach to difficulty. I can play them after work when I'm tired as fuck and have fun without feeling miserable by the time I stopped playing. Killer5 great to hear you're going to start making maps for DBPs. I really like the visuals of your maps, it's remarkable how much you can do with a relatively small choice of textures and nuanced lighting. I hope it won't be too hard for you to change your mapping style though because DBP maps should be friendly to blind and casual players, so you'll probably have to tone down the combat in your maps a lot lol.
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Post by Killer5 on Dec 10, 2023 23:33:33 GMT -5
That is fine tbh. I already made Zzul Bases so it won't be that hard to make something more accessible. Yall will just have to let me know when something gets really stupid .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 23:53:05 GMT -5
Not really a suprising response considering the relationship between the two sites, still dumb but whatever. Tons of people on DW enjoyed Zeppelin Armada and that counts for more then having an arbitrary award next to it as well. If you think it's bullshit, then nothing is stopping anyone here from creating their own Cacoward equivalent, or even just writing a bit about whatever wads you've enjoyed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2023 1:20:36 GMT -5
other than the runner ups i already mentioned liking i would add pablo dictter's smoking dog, morior invictus, irregular entropy, ichinichi, the first half of flesharmonic, that's about it, i haven't gone through a lot of gzdoom stuff as well as dbps. such awards tend to go to either flashy or artsy shit i marginally care about, or particularly well executed current day doomworld core so to speak. probably any jury would have an issue with my taste in doom
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Post by AskYourDrAboutUVFast on Dec 11, 2023 1:31:21 GMT -5
Congrats to lunchlunch, a2rob, and dbk. Really wish I had more time to play all these amazing looking doom wads but they got me chained up to the laundry machine in the back. Can't believe we got disqualified this year because Better luck next year.
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Nockson
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Post by Nockson on Dec 11, 2023 2:07:12 GMT -5
Hey guys, can you tell me why 40oz was banned on DW? Because in my time here I started liking him, I haven't seen anything mmm controversial coming from him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2023 2:29:31 GMT -5
i think he released some maps on columbine day and people got offended. probably not the entire truth, i'm kinda new to this whole retarded drama myself. i hope 40 didn't leave cuz i was saying too many gamer words or something
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dn
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the motherfucking darknation
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Post by dn on Dec 11, 2023 3:16:51 GMT -5
the DW cabal wanted someone banned from the entire doom community, not just DW, and were enraged when 40 refused to enact essel's retarded fatwa.
A lot of shit in other words, but what can I say? Expectations were low to begin with.
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StodgyAyatollah
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Dec 11, 2023 3:43:01 GMT -5
This forum isn't problematic for them because some edgy crap get's posted here and there. The alt-right, white supremacist, bigots shtick is just the smokescreen they use to keep people away. At least I'm convinced of that from everything I've seen.
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RastaManGames
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Post by RastaManGames on Dec 11, 2023 4:34:25 GMT -5
Why all "Doom" communities can't just be friends again, since there is such huge festival that happened? 30 years of "Doom" - this is something, I must say... Not every year you have such cool date.
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Post by thelokk on Dec 11, 2023 4:51:13 GMT -5
I judge actions by their consequences, and the fact that they could in the end alienate even me (trans and far left) is rather telling.
I've also been lurking the community for far longer than I actively participated in, so I do remember stuff, and find it hilarious that people on both sides still pretend this is about politics. It's not. This turf war is about petty personal vendettas from a million years ago.
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Tangra
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Post by Tangra on Dec 11, 2023 9:01:25 GMT -5
Looks like i'm done with DW as well. I've struggled for quite some time to not pay attention and stay silent about the bullshit and bias that's going on in there, and just stick to mapping and Doom stuff only, but man, it's hard to ignore things. First it was the "let's cancel Carmack" nonsense that really threw me off a few months ago and made me question if i should continue posting there. Then there was the ban of Rasta Man, which was another prime example of bias... i don't know him personally, but if he deserved to be banned in the summer, then Snaxalotl should have been banned as well, because they were both equally rude to each other, and if i'm not wrong it was Snaxalotl that started insulting first. But you see, Snaxalotl is a buddy of the mods (especially Doomkid), and he's also trans, so he immediatelly gets the free pass, and i guess he can now freely insult people and use sarcastic remarks towards new or less known members. In fact, i've seen him do it already, with no concequences.
Now we have the Cacowards and that awful attrocious post by Scubba Whatever... Basically, what they're saying is, it doesn't matter how talented you are, or if you make something trully impressive like Zeppelin Armada. All that matters is if you are liked on a personal level by a bunch of easily offended snowflakes who run the whole show and are surrounded by a large group of forum regulars who are afraid to speak their minds. This is beyond stupid! "Oh the cacowards are about positivity, you see". Really? I thought the cacowards are about promoting the very best works in Doom, in order to help this community grow and stay strong for decades to come... but i guess i was wrong. That Scubba post wast the last straw for me, i'm done with DW, and this is basically what i posted in the Cacowards thread... guess how long it lasted before they deleted it? Not even 10 minutes, they branded it "derailing", even though it's on topic. Yeah, a forum administrator with 24 years of "experience", doesn't understand the forum rules when he suits him. I call it silencing but whatever... i say, fuck them and their little bubble of insecurity.
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Post by irascible on Dec 11, 2023 10:49:37 GMT -5
The community's bourgeoisie have long cared more to be seen scratching the right backs than to shine a light on creators who may not fit their mould of the ideal forum member, and that's pretty apparent, but its still funny to see Scuba Steve's mask slip with the "not a democracy" comment. No shit, you bloviating crypto-fascist.
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StodgyAyatollah
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Dec 11, 2023 15:34:55 GMT -5
I've also been lurking the community for far longer than I actively participated in, so I do remember stuff, and find it hilarious that people on both sides still pretend this is about politics. It's not. This turf war is about petty personal vendettas from a million years ago. Zealots are easy to weaponize and will do most of the leg work. Their ultra progressive veneer serves a function.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2023 15:50:05 GMT -5
dunno, the head honchos are clearly zealots themselves, at least in such insular nerdy communities petty grudges and fervor in upholding american state religion tend to share the same roots. i guess they truly are women if they can hold grudges for so long though. it's alternatively about "harassment" (aka stating uncensored, mostly casual opinions about the retarded behavior we're sometimes witnessing), having the wrong politics (everything right of stalin) or years old drama no one cares about. if they are so assured in openly behaving like spoiled children though you have to wonder about the kind of people that tolerate their leadership
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Post by dr_st on Dec 11, 2023 15:51:27 GMT -5
As I've said before (I think). The Doomworld bullshit can only affect you as much as you let it. This community is small but has very talented and dedicated people. Sure, it is nice when there is one big community where everyone is friends, and work together to advance the art, but if people don't want to play with you, you can't make them.
Don't waste effort being bothered by the "unfairness" of it, or trying to get the "approval" of people who get off on feeling superior to you, even if the only thing they have going for them is moderation privileges on a webforum.
Just focus on doing what you do best. The DBPs already produce awesome content. The hosts of the cacowards don't want to acknowledge it? Start your own alternative awards. Use whatever system you want. Yes, cacowards is a nice and catchy name, but I'm sure someone can find other words in the language that have a nice "Doomy" ring to them.
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Post by MortisCausaDonatio on Dec 11, 2023 16:07:59 GMT -5
So I almost always isolate myself from any community drama. I only lurk on Doomworld and here because I felt like I should spend more time mapping and improving, and Doomer's board was the oppurtunity I think I needed, still looking forward to participating.
I'm not going to cry for it, but seriously, the dialog system with Vanilia tricks just cries out for at least a special mention.
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Post by thelokk on Dec 11, 2023 16:09:26 GMT -5
I've also been lurking the community for far longer than I actively participated in, so I do remember stuff, and find it hilarious that people on both sides still pretend this is about politics. It's not. This turf war is about petty personal vendettas from a million years ago. Zealots are easy to weaponize and will do most of the leg work. Their ultra progressive veneer serves a function. To be honest, their ultra progressive veneer bothers me little, as they are largely ideas I also share (and keep out of my mapping because they have zilch to do with it). My disillusionment with DW is strictly site-specific, and it has to do with a circle of power hungry mods' ability to literally block you out of stuff like your private status if your *strictly Doom* opinions, and I quote verbatim, "annoy a bunch of people"; guess who. I will not waste time cultivating a presence on a site where some little tyrant's whim can choke me like that. My self respect is worth more than one extra playtester. Sadly I recently also had to leave the Doom Discordsphere, as those very same people from DW's moderating crop (specifically one) used mod powers to expose private info about me they had no business sharing(ie who I was muting *only for myself* on a specific well known server). I will not let a fun hobby of mine be dangerously smeared like that and if that means having no social Doom presence, so be it.
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StodgyAyatollah
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Dec 11, 2023 16:11:13 GMT -5
I don't think their's much of a moral framework behind their actions. Motivations seam to be very low level. Sense of entitlement, desire for authority, narcissism, type stuff. The modern leftist BS seams superficial to me and I imagine they would wear any ideology as a skin suit if it served their needs. Could be wrong but that's how it looks to me. As I've said before (I think). The Doomworld bullshit can only affect you as much as you let it. The way they paint this site to the broader public does have real consequences though. You shouldn't let a bully get under your skin but you should also break their nose and humiliate them so they know not to fuck with you anymore. They won't stop if you don't. Such is the nature of the world.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2023 16:30:59 GMT -5
it's not exactly the first time their higher ups, specifically, whinge about and borderline censor the evil fascists... shadowman, tormentor, impie, being triggered by carmack etc. they definitely did worse than writing terrible shit about lesbian macroslaughter. ideally i'd like to see the same thing in reverse but you know how it is
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dn
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the motherfucking darknation
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Post by dn on Dec 11, 2023 16:42:01 GMT -5
Absolutely fair enough. People like darknation, who is definitely an evil DB macrohitler, should be excluded from this years cacowards and all others. OH FUCKING SHIT GUY NOT COOL STEVE YOU BROKE TERMS OF SERVICE IN CACOWARDS IS IT TIME TO CANCEL SCUBA STEVE SECRET HITLERS IN YOUR URBAN BRAWL MORE LIKELY THAN YOU THINK
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CittyKat112
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Post by CittyKat112 on Dec 11, 2023 16:55:15 GMT -5
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