Why did you get banned from doomworld?

Jesus dude, not everyone is talking to you. Read the room a little.

I wouldn't call 0.3% a 'massive' amount. Quite the opposite actually. 99.7% is a massive amount, which is the amount of people that feels comfortable with the gender they are born with.
And survey's are kinda a shit method to draw conlusions from, it just singles out people who have acces to a survey and people who are willing to answer a survey (mixed with some other problems), and often times people will not answer a survey when it is not related to them, which will give you a skewed result. And extrapolating results might give you an idea about numbers, but it is not guaranteed that the trend continious.

And if you dont want to respond to every other point I made (Possibly because you dont have any counter argument to it), then why the fuck would I respond to the rest of your text, which mostly consist out of random assumptions grabbed out of thin air.

It doesn't seem that you want to know what is right, you just want to be right. 'Ipsa scientia potestas est' except there is no power to gain if the knowledge is based upon nothing

Well, that is the problem when using terminology like this. There is no objective truth in what is massive, you need to relate it to something. The earth is massive compared to a single human, but incredibly tiny if you compare it to the scale of the universe. That's why I'd rather work with numbers than with words and no, I don't think 0.3% is massive in any circumstance. 1 is not massive compared to 300.

We can also relate it to the amount of adult people who have mental ilnesses, which would be 1 in 5 in US (source: www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/mental-illness#:~:text=Mental%20illnesses%20are%20common%20in,mild%20to%20moderate%20to%20severe.) which I would consider a massive amount. This then means 1 in 60 people dealing with mental illnesses deal with gender dysphoria, which eh not sure if I would even call this massive. But is it already more considerable than 1 in 300.

And if 1 in 5 people have a mental disorder, this means 1 in 5 times nature fucks up with our pre-concieved notion of what is healthy, then 1 in 300 is still not massive.
That is if you consider gender dysphoria a mental illness, which I am not sure about. Because it seems more likely nature is just fucking up, because our pre-concieved notion is usually fucking wrong

that quote with your profil pic makes you seem like a B-brand joker.
But yeah I am serious , partially because what I said directly afterwards and because humanity still don't even know how the brain fully work, so whatever the 'science' of psychiatry says I will take with a grain of salt. Psychiatry is to neuroscience what alchemy is to chemistry, an inferior field because we don't even know what the fuck we are working with.

And even if you want to define it was a mental disorder, I honestly don't care, my points still stand.

@vordakk

Sure, honey. Thanks for asking. Without needing to demand it, it's pretty much always mutually understood that our pronouns need to be respected. It's not debated. Men want to be called men, and women want to be called women, and some want no affiliation at all. "Advocates for transgenderism" (i.e. anyone who cares how their speech is perceived by others) are already trying to invalidate gender-specific name-calling and bullying as offensive (e.g. calling boys who are bad at sports that they "run," "catch," "throw like a girl") through teaching that genders are on a spectrum and that they are fluid and they are not tied to biology.

If you have lived the life of someone who has absolute disinterest in hobbies and activities and behaviors that have since been associated with culturally normalized gender roles associated with the sexually indentifiable organs they were born with, that often means you've had to suffer the experience of being bullied on the playground, in the classroom, at summer camp, by your classmates, by your teachers, by your church, by your counselors, by your aunts and uncles, and/or by your parents. You've been constantly questioned, provoked to change, prodded to explain yourself, your clothing style, the colors you like, the idols you have, the activities you enjoy, by pretty much everyone you meet. Or alternatively, you've had to live a lie, suppressing your actual interests at the risk of those things all happening to you by people you've come to love and respect. It's the expected sequence of events for that person to want support to change their outward appearance to reflect who they actually are so they don't need to hide or explain it all the time. It will be addressed, finally, by their outward appearance. (If that's at all applicable during online discourse over text. I noticed you have a badge of honor indicating your gender on your profile. You're welcome for that.) It's the unfortunate reality that people have established their insistence to decide what your gender is for you by what you look like.

When they have to deal with this on the constant, for many years of their lives, being indirectly called he/him/his becomes a trauma trigger. it interrupts their daily life. It happens with family, it happens at work, it happens when you go to the grocery store, it happens when you get pulled over by police. It happens pretty much everywhere. It reignites past feelings of being humiliated and invalidated. That's why the conversation of pronouns happens so often. We need people to know before you enter the conversation so it's not the first thing that's said when they're around you. And it has become their formal responsibility to own this issue, dial back their emotions, and calmly, respectfully, ask you politely, to either begin using they/them when referring to people who have not identified their gender to you, or dignify them with the respect of calling them only by the gender that they are. All of this with the assumed risk that you're not gonna fucking do it anyway.

Your inaction is that when people tell you this you don't fucking care. You treat it like people are playing a game, and that their lived experiences cannot possibly be real, and this coming from your own perspective as someone who has probably never had their gender legitimately confused at any point in their life.

I know this because I have met and talked to transgender people who have talked about being miserable during holiday seasons because they have a family member that obsesses over talking about what they heard on their preferred comfort place of alt-right news media. No matter how much she tries to explain herself, the family member absolutely denies her reality right in front of her face, and no one else in her family respects her decision to transition enough to stand up for her when this happens. So she's in agony every year as the season of holiday dinners turn around. She loves mom and dad, but this one family member gets invited every time and she has to excuse herself when that member arrives, and it's embarassing.

I'm very familiar with this because I have a parent and extended family that are the same way. When you spend most of your time listening to one-sided communication, (e.g. conservative youtube preparing you with pre-meditated arguments and rebuttals to spit out when THE LIBERALS FINALLY ATTACK) It tells me you have absolutely no experience knowing what it's like to be a transgender person. There's not a fucking minute of a trans persons life that they'd be willing to waste talking to someone who says the things that you do expecting total impunity. There is absolutely no way. You can't possibly know what you're talking about. It's completely at odds with what I've come to learn from people whom I've expressed a genuine curiosity in their life. There's no power in it. It's misery. When people say they're doing it for attention, it severely overvalues social media presence. They usually have to create multiple social media accounts because they're identity has no agency in the lives of people who still see other people's genders as their own to decide. And when those people get together and say the things they do, it makes people who absolutely would beat the fuck out of a woman if they ever had sex and later found out they used to be a man. It sucks because people who say the things you do give these people legitimacy behind their actions. It's extremely important for you to adapt.

You can say it's really not that important, but it absolutely is. Gender does mean something to you. it means something to everyone. This is scientifically and verfiably testable. People genderize things all the time. Germans in WWII named their giant howitzer cannon "Big Bertha." People call their primary vehicle a "she." You can quantify the responses when people react when M&Ms announces they are going to de-genderize their sexy green M&M. Or when the genders of the cast from the Ghostbusters movie get reassigned from men to women in the reboot. There's absolutely no congruency in the public reaction to this. Some people love it, some people hate it, and some people don't care. But when trans people are bullied, harrassed and beaten on the norm, they need you either shut the fuck up about what you think men and women are supposed to be, or to show some support to help put an end to a constant perpetuating cycle of abuse. And when you make these posts, you're not doing either of those things.

I don't need help understanding the point of contention we're having here. It makes perfect sense to me. I know you don't agree with me. I'm telling you because you asked. The context of your posts admits indirectly that you don't know any transgender people who would confide in you with their experiences.

I don't have to tell you what I know. I'm doing it out of respect for you in hopes you'll soon stop making yourself look further like a fool. I would never request a transgender person subject themselves to the way you'd treat them to their face when I can already see the way you speak about them when they're not around to defend themselves.

For shits and gigs, I'll cut this article up real quick.

First, I wanna reference this because it will be important as I go through this.



Just like you and me, we have very different reasons for being on doomer boards, and we've had our laughs watching doomworld attempt to lump us all into one singular cesspool of toxic individuals. I don't know how realistic it is that there are ~1,000,000 transgender people in the US. Its possible; I don't know. But if its anywhere near that high, the thought of simply othering all of their individual paths towards transitioning into into a single collective monolithic belief doctrine is seriously foolish when you can see how fucking weird this small forum is with just ourselves in it. You can see that, right? This isn't scientology here. It's not like a jehovah's witness cult that was designed to manipulate people into questioning their gender in pursuit of a better life. People started having this before they knew it was a real thing.



Some weird spiritual stuff that makes no sense. Sounds like the author is first trying to establish it as as an opposition to religion. I've never heard this, especially the second part from any transgender person or trans rights supporter I've ever talked to.



I don't understand the mutual exclusivity implied in this sentence. The creation of the social construct predates the movement. The construct subjects everyone to be in a binary gender model that is in line with their biological sex. People have been saying they are non-binary for a long time.



The clear and delineated differences between man and woman are already understood. They are imposed on us by the social fabric we're born into. The differences have to be addresssed as existing before the argument that can be made that they no longer need to.



There's the truth, and theres your truth, and they're both valid. There's agreed upon definitions for things, yes, but there's unique personal experiences for every person that aren't recorded anywhere. No one can possibly know everyone's truth. I don't really know anything about you, most of your posts are pretty much relegated to sharing opinions in line with the articles and statistics you reference, but you definitely have one and it's no ones right to deny it.

dr_st The text you quoted by 40oz is within context of him trying to explain (to Bob Page) the load of trauma a transgendered person already carrys over from the past and why it's important not to add on top of it. Your position is humane up to a point - it would indeed be beneficial to reconstruct society so that there is less trauma for people who do not conform, but that is but one part of it. However, (in case you thought about that) you won't rid of transgenderism phenomena that way, as the list of what 40oz was not exhaustive, but just a slice of it.

You should already know that my opinion is that radical lefties indeed have wrong idea how to help oppressed people in general, when I am talking about laws they make or narratives they push. That doesn't mean oppression doesn't exist, it doesn't mean that I believe oppression doesn't exist or is not significant, and in no way am I a proponent of "oppressed people deserve it" or "I don't care about oppressed people". I do that when I am certain their (activists' and politicians') actions have negative consequences they ignore, i.e. that don't actually solve the oppression but may push it on someone else instead. However, respecting and using pronouns which the person prefers to be addressed with, in my opinion, doesn't have those far-fetching negative consequences, and is a good practical and also cheap way I can do my part in not contributing to oppression.

Here's an article written by a liberal feminist woman, not some right-wing Fox news contributor. Below are some highlights:

Was silencing women who say that transwomen are not women (and transmen are not men) a punishment that fits the “crime”? Should referring to a self-identified transwoman as “he,” even inadvertently, mean that women deserve to have online methods of communication (a vital tool for women, enabling them to participate in both public and private conversations) cut off? No.

As I began to let such thoughts sink in, I started to open myself up to listening to the women I had previously shut down. Further, I began to actually use my training, and did some research.

n studying various guidelines for health professionals, I found that the overriding message was the same: when it comes to trans-identified people, the situation is urgent. If you ask questions, you put the lives of vulnerable individuals at risk. It might already be too late! Affirmation is the only option, even if the interventions used on children and teens may lead to severe consequences, such as permanent infertility.

Like so many other women before me, I reached my “peak.” And finally, even though it may have taken a long time, I tipped, falling away from the beliefs ascribed by gender identity ideology, and onto firmer ground. I was no longer willing to “affirm” transgender individuals at any cost, especially if it cost us women’s rights. I was no longer willing to agree that the end (transitioning a teen) necessarily justifies the means (using scare tactics about suicide on parents). I was no longer willing to perceive every transgender person as made of finely spun glass, too fragile to be questioned, and capable of being broken by mere words. I was no longer willing to sacrifice truth and ethics for political correctness.

And, while I’m reluctant to call trans activism a “cult,” I’m aware of many disconcerting similarities: the absolute refusal to allow anyone to criticize issues; silencing, smearing, and ostracizing those who do ask questions (in this case, labeling them “transphobic”) about the ideology of transgenderism; and pressuring individuals (from parents to health professionals) to blindly adhere to the view that some people are “born in the wrong body,” and that the only way to “fix” this error is through medical intervention, such as puberty-suppressing drugs, cross-sex hormones, and various surgeries, rather than with psychological intervention. And, much like in a cult, those who push gender identity ideology discourage independent thought, and instead respond to requests for evidence and facts to support their beliefs with platitudes, mantras, and scare tactics, repeated over and over, until they become reality.

And this article, some of which is sampled below:

Gender identity can sound a lot like religious identity, which is determined by beliefs. But those beliefs don’t determine reality. Someone who identifies as a Christian believes that Jesus is the Christ. Someone who identifies as a Muslim believes that Muhammad is the Final Prophet. But Jesus either is or is not the Christ, and Muhammad either is or is not the Final Prophet, regardless of what anyone happens to believe. So, too, a person either is or is not a man, regardless of what anyone—including that person—happens to believe.

The challenge for transgender activists is to present an argument for why transgender beliefs determine reality. If gender identity is self-created, why must other people accept it as reality? If we should be free to choose our own gender reality, why can some people impose their idea of reality on others just because they identify as transgender? Another challenge for the transgender activist is to articulate some conception of truth as the basis for how we understand the common good and how society should be ordered.

Transgendered men do not become women, nor do transgendered women become men. All (including Bruce Jenner) become feminized men or masculinized women, counterfeits or impersonators of the sex with which they ‘identify.’ In that lies their problematic future. When ‘the tumult and shouting dies,’ it proves not easy nor wise to live in a counterfeit sexual garb. The most thorough follow-up of sex-reassigned people—extending over thirty years and conducted in Sweden, where the culture is strongly supportive of the transgendered—documents their lifelong mental unrest. Ten to fifteen years after surgical reassignment, the suicide rate of those who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery rose to twenty times that of comparable peers.

Transgender ideologues ignore contrary evidence and competing interests; they disparage alternative practices; and they aim to muffle skeptical voices and shut down any disagreement. The movement has to keep patching and shoring up its beliefs, policing the faithful, coercing the heretics, and punishing apostates, because as soon as its furious efforts flag for a moment or someone successfully stands up to it, the whole charade is exposed. A transgender future is not the “right side of history,” yet activists have convinced the most powerful sectors of our society to acquiesce to their demands. While the claims they make are manifestly false, it will take real work to prevent the spread of these harmful ideas.

Because it's universally stated by everybody that biology lessons are fucking boring. Actually, they aren't, but the main issue there is that most of the people have no interest in this, they don't want nor need to know of what each body cell of human body is made of, or how photosyntesis goes in plat based life forms (you'd argue that soy consoomers and vegans become the living plants, I disagree with that, but their intellectual capabilities truly show otherwise and that's hilarious)
37?! O_O The fuck?

Fuck around and find out. That's how it works all the time. But seriously, reality is... quite a questionable thing. See, some people believe that, what the clownworld we live today it just can't be fucking real, in regards of how utterly retarded everything is going on right now, like you take the system that is deeply corrupted by a lot of bonziebuddy.exe copies that are much, MUCH MORE cancerous than the original, and can actually fuck up your system to a degree that re-install would be impossible due to hardware damage.
But that's just some crazy theory, lol... right?


Well let's be honest here, suicide isn't a good option there either. And bettering (is such a word exist, even?) themselves, to become better versions of themselves or who they should be by the matter of fact is too hard and exhausting for many, if not everyone.
So of course they choosing the most retarded and life altering way. Without a back thought that there will be no undoing to this, that's a permanent change that, if they would want to get back to their original, biological gender, they would not be able to do it in full, because motherfuckers haven't thought about long term consequences.


Hey buddy, have you been bitten by major arlene recently? Cuz it shows that you have. Ouch.

dont let major arlene confuse you