skyr
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Post by skyr on Apr 3, 2022 13:38:26 GMT -5
Just out of curiousity, for the people who were banned from doomworld, what happend? I know something about 40oz getting banned for not banning someone on doomer boards, which is... weird/ I know Deathclaw886 got banned for death threaths. And how the fuck got dn banned after 16 years? And for anybody else who got banned, why?
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Post by mayhemicdestrvctor on Apr 3, 2022 14:31:25 GMT -5
i think they ban everyone because the doomerboardws website ane the doomhaven website have more beautiful website layouts so they get angry , and ban people who made the doomerboards website because they feel jealous. and because dn is an admin too so they suspect , he could be responsible for the layout of the website but i dont know that. and that is what i suspect. and because doomerboards has better map makers , because i noticed i play either my own wads OR i play auger zenith but i dont often play some thing from doomworld. the only wad i like to play from there , is alien vendetta but the other wad is doom the way id did and i have noticed that 40oz made it. so that means maybe they re just angry at doomerboards because of this and they ban everyone because maybe they thought , oh now tehy cant upload the wads anymore...... but they had not thought they would create their own doom website for their own wads .... so .... maybe that is why they still ban people. but i am not sure. but i think its my thought on why they could do this. i just thought about it and i think thats the reason , or one of the reasons if theres more reasons than that. and doomworld doesnt look like a doom website at all , it looks so normal and doomerboards has an image from a big army of demons in the top at the logo and the layout looks more beautiful and has better colors. and doomhaven has doom textures and stuff every where and the website looks very 90s so it also fits doom very well. and its just so much better and the admins from doomworld , dontr know how to put doom textures and stuff on their website to make it look like doom , and thats why they have not put them there and why the website looks so normal. but deathclaw does so they did not delete the ban for deathclaw after he became a very much better person.
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joe-ilya
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Post by joe-ilya on Apr 3, 2022 14:32:16 GMT -5
I was banned for "ban evasion", even though I actually got unbanned by Essel who originally banned me, when I tried to reach Linguica, he blocked me in an instant, and then when I used Essel as a messenger, all Linguica said was "I don't like the way joe-ilya posts" and refused to elaborate.
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Post by mayhemicdestrvctor on Apr 3, 2022 14:34:34 GMT -5
oh my god that sounds very dumb of them. that was stupid of them to ban for that. and it makes no sense because they did not explain it so they banned you for no reason , and that is VERY WRONG AND MORALLY REPREHENSIBLE I GET ANGRY WHEN I READ THAT !!!! why did they do this ? i dont get it
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skyr
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Post by skyr on Apr 3, 2022 14:46:58 GMT -5
I was banned for "ban evasion" How the fuck does this work? Do you hide your account in a cookie of the website, like solid snake hides in a box? How the fuck can you evade a ban? Only the mods and admins can unban you. And don't they disprove their own point by banning you? Literally showing that you can't evades bans, advanced logic right there. In all seriousness, that's really shitty and poorly handled
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2022 15:20:03 GMT -5
I got permabanned back in like 2016 because I asserted that Eron Gjoni was an abuse victim. Like Joe-Ilya I reached out to Linguica about it (because it was completely without warning) and I got similarly blocked. I figure given how long ago that was, if I talk to a Doomworld admin about it I could get back in, but given how admins behave over there (especially recently with how Mordeth straight-up doxed somebody to threaten them) I really don't want to return.
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joe-ilya
Hey, Ron! Can we say 'fuck' in the game?
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Post by joe-ilya on Apr 3, 2022 15:47:14 GMT -5
How the fuck can you evade a ban? Only the mods and admins can unban you. Maybe Linguica thought I hacked into Essel's account and unbanned myself through it, and when he found out he made a mistake he was too embarrassed to admit he's wrong; lacking any kind of excuse to justify the ban, just said the vaguest thing to get me off his back, and to keep his image clean as "the perfect admin that makes no mistakes". If people find out Linguica mistakenly banned someone and then unbanned them, it could create some chaos.
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Post by Deathclaw886 on Apr 3, 2022 16:26:21 GMT -5
Just out of curiousity, for the people who were banned from doomworld, what happend? I know something about 40oz getting banned for not banning someone on doomer boards, which is... weird/ I know Deathclaw886 got banned for death threaths. And how the fuck got dn banned after 16 years? And for anybody else who got banned, why? Wrong, i got banned because i said something about people with gender dysphoria, i said the one sentence "People are confused about their gender" and Major arlene got all upset. i never threatened anyone, where did you hear that?
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Post by Deathclaw886 on Apr 3, 2022 16:27:24 GMT -5
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dn
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Post by dn on Apr 3, 2022 16:39:04 GMT -5
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skyr
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Post by skyr on Apr 3, 2022 16:44:04 GMT -5
Deathclaw886, my bad, you were suspended, not banned for hypothetically talking about killing somebody.
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Post by 40oz on Apr 3, 2022 17:53:14 GMT -5
I know something about 40oz getting banned for not banning someone on doomer boards, which is... weird/ Yes, that was the very last thing that happened after an aggregated 10 years of small microaggressions towards the doomworld authority. It culminates in being banned for something like that. I almost never broke any rules. but during my time spent on being on different doom related forums ive always felt challenged by authority figures. Thats 100% true. Its my opinion that we are all people with a niche interest, and who gets selected to be an authority figure to me sometimes feels like its people who would somehow benefit from having popularity and influence through a means other than their own gumption and love for the game. (Arent most of doomworlds moderators and kool kids club people currently involved in ongoing projects that are being or eventually going to be sold for money? It has to serve you somehow to hold court in a community and silence people that can hurt your image and therefore your income stream?? Especially when im not sarcastic and listen to people and do all the shit i do in an effort to make doom forums stay fun, all on my own time and all for free? Uhh, youre fucking welcome, doom community..?) its weird that a community member can just be selected to be one that decides what people should be allowed to talk about. No one should really have that kind of power over one another. I really dont like being the one that has it here. I do everything in my strength to almost never have to use it. I only want to make decisions like that only when my inaction can make the experience of playing doom and enjoying doom with other people worse. If you are someone who can at the very least keep the experience of checking this forum fun for everyone, and very rarely make people feel miserable, then youre ok in my book. But sometimes there are places where you can get in trouble just for talking about a particular topic even if the talk is about "why is this topic bad just so i can know about it and why it became bad in the first place" Why the fuck does that have to be off-limits? When youre upholding law like that even when the law isnt even relevant anymore on 2022, youre just being a fascist pig. We are supposed to care about not spamming up the forum when every social media channel inundates us with spam and useless notifications in every waking moment of our lives? Forums? Forums are the outdated communication channel that are the ones we need to keep sacred?? Come on. I do my best to lead by example. I do everything i can to keep the conversation of Doom relevant. I do it to make the experience of being on doomer boards fun, and keep people active in modding and playing the game when it feels like its on the verge of being not fun or hooking peoples attention anymore. And it do be like that sometimes. Its hard to enjoy doom when it feels like the people surrounding it are miserable. Its ok if youre in this for yourself sometimes, but I dont really like being in the doom community around people who dont wanna be a net positive for Doom. We are talking to each other here because its not easy to connect with people about a game like Doom anymore. Linguica made the decision to ban me and that dude doesnt even do doom shit anymore. He wasnt even around when i did all the microaggressions that added up to my eventual ban. Why does a forum ban have to outlive his interest in the game? What kinda bullshit is that? Doomer boards forum created nearly a thousand maps in a few years. How the fuck do you get to tell me if i can talk to doomers where i wanna talk about this game??
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Post by xeepeep on Apr 3, 2022 18:18:15 GMT -5
especially recently with how Mordeth straight-up doxed somebody to threaten them What?? I never thought mordeth was THIS based
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2022 18:25:06 GMT -5
I totally get you 40oz. Because of trauma growing up I've always had a contentious relationship with authority throughout my life. For me, anybody holding any measure of authority (even something as incidental as, say, "forum moderator") is somebody I end up being incredibly suspicious of. Combine that with my general tendency to assume bad faith in people (another part of my own personal trauma) and it always ends up with me being in an adversarial relationship with authority, which generally isn't good for your health. It's something I've been working on for a very long time to fix but it's slow, and in the meantime I've hurt and let down many people I cared about, and lost many more.
I've come to recognize a pattern that I once saw described: "Punishment is not something that happens to bad people. It happens to those who cannot stop it from happening. It is laundered pain, not a balancing of scales." Generally speaking, the worst punishments aren't reserved for those who actually deserve them, but rather for those at the bottom ends of the totem pole. In the context of an Internet community, this generally means fucked-up broken weirdos (like me!) get shunned, shoved under the rug, and beaten down by those who have the social graces necessarily to manipulate their way into positions of power. It's not an accident that Doomworld's "leadership" (such as it were) are unscrupulous bullies.
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Post by Deathclaw886 on Apr 3, 2022 19:14:44 GMT -5
Deathclaw886 , my bad, you were suspended, not banned for hypothetically talking about killing somebody. Heavy emphasis on hypothetical. it was not at all a threat. it was a metaphor with a positive meaning at the end.
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Post by Deathclaw886 on Apr 3, 2022 20:13:12 GMT -5
But yeah, i have always shunned forum Admins and only tried to contact one out of necessity. i talked to Doomkid before he became admin, and i talked to him a little bit afterwards, but i think Doomkid is a nice guy overall. but you guys know who i am talking about, the upper crust of administration, like Mordeth, Arlene, dew, Esselfortium, and of course Linguica. i tried contacting Arlene once so i could change my username back, she never responded though.
It is usually the leaders that i Shun the most, but here i dont feel that way, and it is usually because 40oz interacts with his community and shows that he still holds the original intent of the Doom community in his heart, i respect that. Linguica is never active and he just seems like a shady guy overall, in my opinion. it seems like he lost what made him love doom in the first place and that is why i never really liked him in my short couple of years over there. But i can see that me being banned was a good thing, i have a silver lining for being banned.
and i never started making maps for the Cacowards, fuck the Cacowards. I started making maps so that the community can criticize and enjoy them. that is what i enjoy about the community.
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Post by dn on Apr 3, 2022 21:11:32 GMT -5
☐ Waa waa waa doomworld was more awesome in the old days, the wild west of teh interwebz, when the admins were awesome and hilarious and gave no fucks.
☐ Waa waa waa Mordeth doxed me, drove to my house, fucked my mom, wiped his (content removed) on my curtains and his ass with my Yu-Gi-Oh collection and told me to go and eat shit from the back of his motorbike as he tore off over the horizon.
Fucking tick one box. Tick only one box.
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Post by mayhemicdestrvctor on Apr 4, 2022 0:01:52 GMT -5
what does that mean
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2022 8:44:04 GMT -5
@segfault You should maintain a degree of suspicion regarding authority figures, it's actually a very healthy thing to do tbh. Even being confrontational and vocal about it - as long as you don't let paranoia take over, that's completely fine. Presupposing the "worst" in people can also be a useful stance. After all we always have to deal with neutralizing inner and outsourced noise in favor of balancing any personal view on someone else's words/actions. As commonly; first impressions and hearsays clouds one's judgment - but, fortunately, time will always help us in reevaluating and correcting any existing misconceptions. And, in the end, getting positively surprised about others is way better than the opposite. To elaborate a little bit further:
Authorities will always have major discrepancies between their narrative and their actions. I suggest you to favor the coherence in their actions, not in their sugar-coated words.
Take our major admin here for example; huge incoherence in his texts (don't take my word for granted, go research yourself), often containing a very similar narrative as the perceived bogeymen from DW (which, hilariously, directly contraposes the said "founding principles" of this board) - and yet his actions speaks more for himself than his dyslexic mumbo jumbo. The guy clearly cares for this place.
However, the angry russian (you know, the one that keeps hinting that he's queer and won't allow forty to shield him from any shit the world may throw at him) is not incorrect in poiting out and being heavily vocal about the full scope (and the implications) present on the mindset/agenda of the ounce man. It's indeed theoretically incompatible with this forum, sure. But who cares? In the end, Jon of the Vale is the perfect guy for the job. He's a figure that others find confort in orbiting around; being for disagreement or compliance. Can you say the same about any other member of the ol' guard here?
Guys like forty are the right people for this kind of community building (and the other admins know this very well); this kind of passionate fool that cares way too much for investing his free time into, not only, moderation but also for contribuiting with quality material for some god forsaken online forum - is not that easy to find. Not to mention that no one is immune of letting their personal agenda and bias bleeding thru decisions.. for that; it's always nice to have people willing to fling their shit at the admin's face to showcase some discontent (and for comedic value).
Missed opportunity of letting mayhemic or vigilante being the admins for a april fools joke tho... instead we got the most normie shit one can imagine: lump bzkuit.
Personally i'm fine with DW mods having their dicks chopped off and lean the farthest left they can on their political views. I wish them all the best, no sarcasm implied. But not allowing the userbase to fully express themselves, including their discontent is the problem there. Kicking dissidents to the curb while presenting a clean face is as dishonest as one can get. These people will not last forever tho. Not wishing death upon anyone lol - just stating the obvious, sooner or later they will be replaced.
dn that was a good a read and a good laugh, but ffs man.. 16 years? What kind of nothing sandwich you had going on in your life? I think that in your case, you should actually thank them for sparing yourself of another 16 years of time wasting.
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Post by mayhemicdestrvctor on Apr 4, 2022 8:46:21 GMT -5
oh my god chopping the dick of them off would be painful. why do you want to do that.
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skyr
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Post by skyr on Apr 4, 2022 9:43:36 GMT -5
40oz, while idealistically I agree with you, none of the issues is schocking or suprising to me, but nonetheless shitty. its weird that a community member can just be selected to be one that decides what people should be allowed to talk about. No one should really have that kind of power over one another. For example this, idealistically I agree, realistically I have never seen anything in my life that would make me believe this is not how human nature works in most cases. Authority figures are usually fucked, because most of the times they don't come in that position because they are fit for it, but for any other reason (might be socially, financially or any other bullshit.) And therefore I also agree with @segfault and @pantagruel that you should stay suspicious of authority figures to a healthy degree. when every social media channel inundates us with spam and useless notifications in every waking moment of our lives? Not sure what the point you're trying to make, social media are fucking cancer and should never be held to a standard of how things should be. And honestly, my problem isn't necessarily that there is a community that does or doesn't allow for free speech, because either way you'll ostracize people from the community. My problem would be more that there is basically just 1 community of doom and not multiple communities, except for this one. I don't believe you can create a single group that allow for everyone to be included and that's why there should be multiple communities. And that's also why I have respect for you, by maintaining this community. Heavy emphasis on hypothetical. it was not at all a threat. I believe you, you don't same like a bad person and even if you did threaten somebody, I couldn't care less. dn, hahaha, you seem like a dickhead that fucks pussies, but atleast not an asshole that shit over everybody and I can respect that.
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Post by mayhemicdestrvctor on Apr 4, 2022 10:14:31 GMT -5
i also agree , deathclaw is a very good person and a really good friend and because of that everyone should forgive him for threatening some one. because i talk to him a lot and he is alwsays very nice and very supportive and because of that he is a very good person nowadays.
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Post by dn on Apr 4, 2022 10:15:50 GMT -5
dn that was a good a read and a good laugh, but ffs man.. 16 years? What kind of nothing sandwich you had going on in your life? I think that in your case, you should actually thank them for sparing yourself of another 16 years of time wasting. What, you think the doom community was just sitting in a box playing doom for 16 years? Or perhaps there was a vibrant series of sub-adjacent communes, replete with artists, programmers, musicians, writers, trolls and people? A dial-up world without facebook, without steam, where people with similar interests naturally came together and formed super-secret societies of nerds and faggots specifically because people kept on telling them they were nerds and faggots, in the days of yore before nerds and faggots ruined the fucking internet for everyone? This is what they took from you. Now get the fuck off my lawn, kid.
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Post by mayhemicdestrvctor on Apr 4, 2022 10:16:28 GMT -5
that felt rude , why did you call him kid
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Post by dn on Apr 4, 2022 11:09:32 GMT -5
Maybe it's because I'm a hundred fucking years old and surrounded by barely conscious fetal material babbling utter retardation seven hundred hours a week. Perhaps I am the only island of geriatric sanity in a seething ocean of fucking wankers, which makes me bad tempered.
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