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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2022 14:58:37 GMT -5
Just imagine, being born as a woman and having no escape from either: 1. Being seen as a person who might get pregnant and thus be absent from work, regardless of your intention on when to do it 2. Being seen as a woman who doesn't bear children and thus doesn't fulfill her "primary" "purpose" No fucks given about your work attitude and devotion to the company, and intention to continue to work for it rather than jump ships for better offers elsewhere. And in event this drives you to the point where you rather be a man you are reminded that you will always be a woman, or just a freak.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2022 15:06:05 GMT -5
Basically, being pushed on pre-defined paths fixed by your origins (not just sex, but also other things) sucks. I believe in allowing people to pursue their own individual destinies, in fact I pretty much see the point in existence only if such destiny is personal, otherwise life has no value to me. To follow your own path is to be alive, everything else is worse than never having existed in first place.
P.S. My negative attitude towards identity politics - both left and right - also comes from the maxim above about personal destiny.
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Post by 40oz on Apr 12, 2022 15:44:36 GMT -5
I think this is a very sneaky way that some advocates of transgenderism use to validate their cause. The problem is that this is not what is happening. The amount of people who are mentally well-adjusted and devoid of psychological and emotional issues but are born with an extra reproductive organ when they don't want them are extremely rare, actually ultra-rare. The people who are calling themselves transgender, in almost every single case, have appropriate body parts to match their chromosomes. I understand the reasons for people to be cautiously suspicious, but this is a leap and a half. Having known you to be pretty cold and emotionally unavailable, I think you severely overestimate how much you know about people's emotional damage from the outside. Most people that are really holding themselves together, successful even, are a nervous wreck if you give them the space to talk about it. When it's showing in their outward appearance, it's not because it's any more or any less damage than what you see on the appearance of people you'd think are excelling in life. The phrase "advocates for transgenderism" is really strange vernacular, and tells me a lot about what else you think about transgender people when you describe a post as a "sneaky" tactic. Many Hollywood blockbuster movies such as The Hangover II, Austin Powers, and Ace Ventura Pet Detective went totally uncriticized for depicting transgender women as such that scream-crying in the shower and wanting violent revenge is the necessary and correct comedic reaction for an adult male unknowingly being attracted to one. What you're calling "advocates for transgenderism" is really just people saying that this status quo that has been set in our social sphere is serving no purpose to be upheld. Transgender people, whether they fit your definition or not, are often discriminated against for employment, housing, medical care, harrassed, and assaulted verbally, physically, and sexually. It's a severe safety risk for people who are trans but are not able to come out as such, and the sneaky advocates for transgenderism are saying this needs to stop. It's ok to be trans, I'm on your side, I'll fight to protect you. And you're going to be an enemy to people like that for as long you want to hang on to these beliefs and speak about them as if they're the truth because you're not going to win this. No one is going back to humiliating and beating up trans people anytime soon. It wasn't ok then, and it's not ok now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2022 16:00:48 GMT -5
I suppose people with XXX chromosomes, people with PCOS, people born without functional wombs or uteruses (or have them removed due to medical issues), etc etc etc, aren't women either? Medical consensus needs to go out the door -- a guy on the Doomer Boards thinks they're all wrong! Stop fucking quoting statistics from women who have illnesses or other debilitating conditions to support transgenderism. It's disingenuous and fucking annoys me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2022 16:04:10 GMT -5
Do you honestly believe you know better than modern medical science Please don't make me laugh that hard. Modern medical science is an utter joke. that thrives on the achievements of the past and now agitate for bug eating because "muh meat rations are bad uwu go eat bugs live in a pod etc." just because the idea of someone being transgender is uncomfortable to you? The problem there is not that the thing is uncomfortable (Praise the God Almighty for Russian intolerance toward such malpractices such as transgenderism and doing it in the butt), the problem is how often and how much this bullshit is pushed in every state owned, woke filled media spaces. I don't have such a problem in my motherland irl, thank God, but I certainly do online, because such people tend to be either very touchy and just a "slightly" out of touch with reality (I had seen a lot of such cases already), or they are insufferable whiny attention whores that did come through this irreversible mistake of their lives because redditors with high updoots count and blue checkmarks said it's cool and righteous. And these degenerates believed that! Crazy shit, I know, but bear with me, that's real, I'm not exagerrating, we live in truly fucked up timeline and no end in sight for the madness around. Why the fuck do weirdos like you care so goddamn much? Oh I dunno... MAYBE, just MAYBE, it's because they: 1. Infiltrate communities and make them be shaped to their ill demand? 2. Push highly questionable and, honestly, very retarded narratives? 3. Screech every time when somebody disagree with them and call their thought challengers transphobes, bigots, etc. for no actual reason? 4. Have absolutely NO SENSE of humor? At least of healthy one? I don't even mention black humor, a lot of you fuckers have forgot what it is, and replaced this fun activity with the word "toxicity", bruh. 5. Do I need to expalain to you what "egg hatching" in trans communities means? no? I hope I don't, cuz that's nasty. Can't you people just support people with mental problems? After what I've come through, personally? And now I have been treated? no. Stop fucking quoting statistics from women who have illnesses or other debilitating conditions to support transgenderism. It's disingenuous and fucking annoys me. I second that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2022 16:11:47 GMT -5
1. Infiltrate communities and make them be shaped to their ill demand? 2. Push highly questionable and, honestly, very retarded narratives? 3. Screech every time when somebody disagree with them and call their thought challengers transphobes, bigots, etc. for no actual reason? 4. Have absolutely NO SENSE of humor? At least of healthy one? I don't even mention black humor, a lot of you fuckers have forgot what it is, and replaced this fun activity with the word "toxicity", bruh. 5. Do I need to expalain to you what "egg hatching" in trans communities means? no? I hope I don't, cuz that's nasty. 1. Trans people have been around for the longest time. They're not infiltrating shit -- you're just seeing them now. 2. Unlike the absolutely un-retarded narrative that modern medical science is completely incorrect regarding trans people, but has in fact been completely compromised from the inside out? 3. "No actual reason?" I think the dehumanization that's been on display in this thread (and other places on this forum) is reason enough to get upset. 4. "You are a disgusting freak and unironically deserve to die alone" is not "black humor," it's just cruelty. 5. I don't give a fuck what you think is nasty or not re: anything that has to even remotely touch this topic, because it's clear that you so violently and fundamentally hate trans people that there's no actual perspective to be had.
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Post by joe-ilya on Apr 12, 2022 16:16:40 GMT -5
Why do you expect people to support your problems? If you don't support other's problems?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2022 16:24:44 GMT -5
1. Trans people have been around for the longest time. They're not infiltrating shit -- you're just seeing them now. They were, sure. Point is that when they reach the critical mass they start to be loud and demanding. I saw this happening quite a lot of times, including doom servers. I'm tired of this shit. One of my pals got his discord server nuked because some whiny trannie got offended by his refusal to "fix" his PERSONAL server to fit them. 2. Unlike the absolutely un-retarded narrative that modern medical science Modern medical science is an utter joke. that thrives on the achievements Why do I need to repeat myself here? "No actual reason?" I think the dehumanization that's been on display in this thread (and other places on this forum) is reason enough to get upset. You clearly haven't read what I have wrote in the point 3, have you. I get you an example: a dispute got born between a bunch of people. one of them is, obviously, "bigot, transphobe". He's "bigot, transhobe" because he refused to agree with a statement that certain subject of dispute is trans tribute. Frankly, the subject of this dispute really doesn't, it's just a thing on its own, for good\bad\whatever reasons, really. "You are a disgusting freak and unironically deserve to die alone" is not "black humor," it's just cruelty. You mismatch humor with obvious troll poke. I don't give a fuck what you think is nasty or not re: anything that has to even remotely touch this topic, because it's clear that you so violently and fundamentally hate trans people that there's no actual perspective to be had. Oh, no... what shall I do... anyway. I'm sure when you'll get your own "egg hatching" moment in family you'll not be that happy to support trans movement.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2022 16:27:17 GMT -5
Why do you expect people to support your problems? If you don't support other's problems? That's the point, Joe! I supported other people's problems! That's where the whole irony is! I still do, but I only care to support my family and those with whom I have relatively fine relationship. Usually these are people I know for quite a long time and\or work with on something. Or had to work.
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Post by joe-ilya on Apr 12, 2022 16:59:41 GMT -5
Don't let internet interactions from people with problems sway you from supporting people IRL who have the same problems. Generalizing an entire gender orientation just because of a few internet interactions is a sure recipe for blind hatred. Don't look for support from the internet either, look for support where it matters.
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Post by Deathclaw886 on Apr 12, 2022 17:31:08 GMT -5
Basically, being pushed on pre-defined paths fixed by your origins (not just sex, but also other things) sucks. I believe in allowing people to pursue their own individual destinies, in fact I pretty much see the point in existence only if such destiny is personal, otherwise life has no value to me. To follow your own path is to be alive, everything else is worse than never having existed in first place. P.S. My negative attitude towards identity politics - both left and right - also comes from the maxim above about personal destiny. I do agree that Women shouldnt be viewed as "Sex objects" because Women are much more than that. Women are Humans, duh. i believe Women should do what they want. And Women also have better hearing than men so they definitely excel in the audio department. everyone has their own destiny, and it is repulsive to see them being treated as lesser beings. now i get a joke, jokes can be funny, but i dont take them seriously. and a lot of the better musicians and bands are all women too (switchblade symphony, the lead singer of arch enemy, the lead singer of Jinjer, Babymetal) alot of the time they are more pleasant to listen to in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2022 17:31:26 GMT -5
Hear that people? If you never give birth, you will never be woman. So everyone is born a man, or whatever the fuck you wanna define it, until you give birth (and the rest of list requirements), only then somebody can turn into a woman. So fuck the people who have XX chromosomes, bleed from your vagina once a month and have nasty PMS symptoms, a womb, uterus, and ovaries, but not having birthed a child yet, they are undefined. Not birthed a child yet? Not a woman yet, tough luck. I clearly said "have the ability to birth a child". I did not say "have already birthed a child". Troll harder, bud.
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Post by NuMetalManiak on Apr 12, 2022 17:40:03 GMT -5
This is one fucked-up discussion.
Many people nowadays have mental problems of some sort. I know cause I have plenty of students at the school I work at with BIPs and they clearly don't get along well with a ton of other people and/or constantly bully each other over the most menial of things. My issue, which actually happened today, is I'm wondering if the mental problems some people have are being used as a shield to justify shitty behavior. Cuz a parent I had to contact today was saying that her child with the mental issues (which I have already been notified about long ago) was the one being bullied, when I've heard multiple accounts of students saying it's the other way around. And I've already spoken to administration about it and they are saying the kid is a dirty liar too. He lied to both the staff and his own mother and she's unfortunately believing him, despite all the writeups he's had over the whole school year over so many things. I know we're trying to help the poor kid, but dammit, the stuff he constantly pulls on EVERYONE around him makes things so complicated.
I just hope that people aren't abusing their mental problems to put themselves at an advantage. The internet is already a cesspit of sheer activism of all kinds. Trying to push for something that is legitimately not okay in common sense everyday society is something that I'm seeing a lot of in other areas. Basically, while it's easy to show support for those with mental issues, you have to wonder if that support is going to be used for the wrong ideas before you start trying to support them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2022 17:41:09 GMT -5
No one is going back to humiliating and beating up trans people anytime soon. It wasn't ok then, and it's not ok now. Please, oh please, show me where I advocated for humiliating and beating up trans people. You can't, because I never did. You do this all the time when you argue, and everyone sees right through it. You've assigned your own idea of who I am and what I want to happen before you even type the first word. It honestly says a lot about you, man. You really don't know as much about people as you think you do. All I'm saying is that these people can believe whatever they want, but just because they believe something in their diseased brains doesn't mean the rest of us have to entertain or contribute to their fantasy. I can pretend I'm a ninja from feudal Japan, or a muskrat, or an Apache helicopter, but why should you have to humor me? This is my point. If they really wanted to just "live and let live", we wouldn't be getting "Respect mah pronouns!!!11!!1" shoved down our throats every time we hear from these idiots.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2022 19:29:00 GMT -5
This is my point. If they really wanted to just "live and let live", we wouldn't be getting "Respect mah pronouns!!!11!!1" shoved down our throats every time we hear from these idiots. yeah how dare trans people expect the same dignity and respect given to cis people
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2022 19:55:38 GMT -5
yeah how dare trans people expect the same dignity and respect given to cis people I fail to see how this equates. CIS people aren't trying to pretend to be something that their basic biology and every cell in their body is saying that they are not. Calling them by correct pronouns isn't giving dignity and respect, it's using the correct terminology. This video should end the entire debate, once and for all. Matt's logic here is airtight. These people claim to be "women", yet cannot define the term.
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Post by skyr on Apr 12, 2022 20:46:08 GMT -5
Matt's logic here is airtight. Says a woman is an adult female, defines female as someone with female reproductive organs. A falsifiable definition and therefore a scientific definition, which can easily prove that other genders exist Do people exist without either male or female reproductive organs? Yup. Therefore there are other sexes, therefore there are other genders. As airtight as an open window.
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Post by skyr on Apr 12, 2022 20:53:56 GMT -5
These people claim to be "women" They literally say in the video "I do not define as a woman"
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Post by skyr on Apr 12, 2022 21:07:15 GMT -5
A falsifiable definition and therefore a scientific definition Also women exists without female reproductive organs.So his whole definition is retarded to begin with
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2022 21:30:39 GMT -5
Also women exists without female reproductive organs.So his whole definition is retarded to begin with Even though it is technically true that some women exist without female reproductive organs, whether because of a birth defect or because of surgery, there is only one sex of humans that is genetically programmed to have the capability to bear offspring. Those are women. They have XX chromosomes. So, without being pedantic and resorting to nitpicking like a retard, we can define women as human females - i.e. those members of the human race that, due to their genetics(XX chromosomes), should have the capability to bear offspring. Of course, in some rare instances there will be women without this ability, but we still know that they are women because of their other defining characteristics(again, XX chromosomes). The implication of the transgender cult is that there is this massive group of people who were assigned a wrong body at birth. That's simply not true. We don't define terms in a language with the outliers and rarities in mind, we define terms that cover 99.999% of people. Should we rewrite all laws on the books to include the 37 genders that Facebook allows one to select? It's madness.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2022 21:35:56 GMT -5
They literally say in the video "I do not define as a woman" Yes, correct. These particular freaks don't identify as women, but many, many (content removed) do. And the fact is, as Matt points out, they are actively using the term "woman" without being able to define it!!! Are you so dense that you don't see why that is inherently problematic!?!?!
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Post by skyr on Apr 12, 2022 22:22:49 GMT -5
Even though it is technically true that some women exist without female reproductive organs, whether because of a birth defect or because of surgery, there is only one sex of humans that is genetically programmed to have the capability to bear offspring. Those are women. I'd agree that people who are able to give birth are women, yes. But it's not an if and only if statement. I'd also agree that every bicycle has two wheels, but not every object that has two wheels is a bicycle. Every person who can give birth is a woman, but not every woman can give birth. They have XX chromosomes. Same issue here. Every person with only two X chromosomes are women. But not every woman has only two X chromosomes, some have three and they still can give birth. If you wanna define sex by using chromosomes, we would have 5 different sexes, namely; xy, xx, xxx, xxy and xyy. All these combinations can exist. And that would mean multiple sexes are able to give birth. So your argument of only women can give birth would fall apart then. So, without being pedantic and resorting to nitpicking like a retard honestly this just reads like, I cant properly define my definitions or I can't properly defend my definition, so let's not talk about the details. But details make or break a definition. If we have a discussion like that, I can just end it with "A woman is something, don't sweat the details", which is even more retarded. The implication of the transgender cult is that there is this massive group of people This is something I never heard of or experienced irl or on the internet. Most people I meet are not like this at all, this seems more that you are just creating strawmen for whatever fucking reason. We don't define terms in a language with the outliers and rarities in mind, we define terms that cover 99.999% of people. Which is fucking stupid, I would like to try to find out how reality works. If that means that we make defining things more difficult because nature often works with outliers and rarities, then we should just deal with that. I am not gonna redefine how nature works just to make it easier on our monkey brains. I think we can atleast find some common ground and agree that facebook is fucking cancer, regardless off gender politics. And the fact is, as Matt points out, they are actively using the term "woman" without being able to define it!!! Matt barely defined anything himself, he just mentioned female reproductive organs and bone density, both of which are just weak-ass definition. Not every woman has female reproductive organs like we just said and not all women has a lower bone density than all men. Most women do, sure, but if you talk only talk about most it will not be clearly defined term, so fuck that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2022 22:57:14 GMT -5
This is something I never heard of or experienced irl or on the internet. Most people I meet are not like this at all, this seems more that you are just creating strawmen for whatever fucking reason. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5227946/Quoted from the article: Main results. Our meta-regression model, based on 12 surveys covering 2007 to 2015, explained 62.5% of model heterogeneity, with a significant effect for each unit increase in survey year (F = 17.122; df = 1,10; b = 0.026%; P = .002). Extrapolating these results to 2016 suggested a current US population size of 390 adults per 100 000, or almost 1 million adults nationally. This estimate may be more indicative for younger adults, who represented more than 50% of the respondents in our analysis.
Authors’ conclusions. Future national surveys are likely to observe higher numbers of transgender people. The large variety in questions used to ask about transgender identity may account for residual heterogeneity in our models.This study was done by surveying people. 1 million people claiming to be transgender out of a population of 338 million is a massive amount. And as it says, it's more prevalent in the young people; the cretinous, depraved generation who have bought into the lies and deceit that they have been fed by their corrupt schools systems and various social media and big tech propaganda machines. Something goes wrong in their lives, they don't get their way, or things just get too tough and they can't handle it, and like the pussies they are they seek shelter in the victim mindset. "If I just become a part of a protected class, then I will have respect and special treatment by default!" How weak. How pathetic. And yet, it's not surprising at all that we see increasing numbers of young people heading in this direction.
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Post by 40oz on Apr 13, 2022 3:49:54 GMT -5
Please, oh please, show me where I advocated for humiliating and beating up trans people. You can't, because I never did. You do this all the time when you argue, and everyone sees right through it. You've assigned your own idea of who I am and what I want to happen before you even type the first word. It honestly says a lot about you, man. You really don't know as much about people as you think you do. All I'm saying is that these people can believe whatever they want, but just because they believe something in their diseased brains doesn't mean the rest of us have to entertain or contribute to their fantasy. I can pretend I'm a ninja from feudal Japan, or a muskrat, or an Apache helicopter, but why should you have to humor me? This is my point. If they really wanted to just "live and let live", we wouldn't be getting "Respect mah pronouns!!!11!!1" shoved down our throats every time we hear from these idiots. oh princess... look. youre probably gonna remain composed soon into this post because to do other wise would make you look like a total sissy and youre gonna want people to think youre macho right now so the men can take your little cosplay act seriously. Or not, you can scream and cry into your pillow all about it -- its none of my business. Let me use an analogy you would be familiar with. When theres a fire in the kitchen, right in front of you, your inaction is an action. Its not normal for you just stand there and say I dont need to do anything because you didnt start it. You certainly did because face it, women are always screwing things up... The problem needs to be dealt with. Furthermore, this topic of respecting peoples pronouns that youre breaking a nail over is really silly. My bros here already know that having your pronouns 'respected' is mutually understood by everyone at all times without it needing to be earned. You dont always notice it until people take it away from you, right hun? See, the men here are talking and your incessant nagging is a lot. you don't need to keep bitching about it. In fact, try this, sweetie. Heres how i can tell youre just being all hormonal and emotional and feelingshurt. Look up someone who identifies as a woman on doomworld, and search their entire post history for the words "respect my pronouns." you can come back to this convo when youve found a single post saying that. your just hearing things you want to hear instead of receiving it with logic and reasoning. Now next time you need to yap yap yap maybe you could gossip to your other sisters about it. you sound like you could use a girls night anyway. By the way, people would listen to you more if you just smile. its not a good look on you. Youre not fooling anyone Bob, with that macho name. its not at all attractive. its just sneaky and weird. why don't you want to come off pretty to the boys? i can tell you're a girl even when you think you need to prance around with a picture of a man in your profile. its not gonna somehow convince me to listen to you ya know.
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Post by mayhemicdestrvctor on Apr 13, 2022 4:08:10 GMT -5
the lead singer of arch enemy the first 2 singers they had was much better. the guy was better and the woman with the yellow hair was better too
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