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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2022 18:16:31 GMT -5
I'm split 50/50 on this.
What's your opinion? Does DB allow sharing iwads? (btw, 40oz, why did you delete my pwads collection link?)
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Post by xeepeep on Mar 12, 2022 18:24:41 GMT -5
Sharing iwads violates the ProBoards Terms of Service (article 20). We've been a hostage of that a few times, including that time when Kontra Kommando (god bless his soul) locked the whole forum for a week to delete all the posts that violated it.
Myself I have no objections to it though. It's a 30 year old fucking game, as obsolete as something can be. Plus id software is doing quite alright with their recent releases. I don't think you're taking away bread from their mouths by sourcingdoom.wad from iddqd.ru or something.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2022 18:30:49 GMT -5
I want to preface this by saying that I think using the term "piracy" to refer to filesharing is not just inaccurate, it's an insidious bit of linguistic manipulation at the hands of multi-billion dollar corporations. Real pirates (armed thugs on the high seas) still exist to this day and I know people who have had to fight them in combat. Comparing rape, murder, and pillaging to a guy on a computer copying a bunch of numbers from another guy is, at best, incredibly melodramatic.
That said, when it comes to sharing Doom I'm all for it for three big reasons:
1. Doom is a very old game, over 30 years old. Were it not for how Disney abused US copyright law, this game would be in the public domain.
2. None of the original creators of the game work at id Software anymore; if you buy a copy of the game "legitimately," the people who actually worked on it will not see your money.
3. As one of the most important video games of all time, Doom is an intangible, inextricable part of modern human culture, and thus must be vigorously preserved by way of free and open distribution.
Now I totally understand and respect that most places have rules about filesharing, and that's fine. But personally I think Doom's IWADs should be shared far and wide.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2022 19:27:55 GMT -5
Nae.
id and Zenimax are consisted of very poor bastards that are in desperate need of some cash. Hey, that gave me an idea! Maybe, just maybe we could make a map to help raising some resources for them. We can call it One Humaneness.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2022 19:47:31 GMT -5
@p0 why do you need to comment something when you'll chicken out and delete all things you've written in a few days?
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Post by dangerousdaviebowie on Mar 13, 2022 0:30:24 GMT -5
Depends on if you really want to support the holders of that ip. ID Software, despite the fact that most of the founders all already long gone have put the game behind them. However even if Microsoft bought them I still haven't forgiven Bethesda for almost fucking it up by trying to force their shitty BETHESDA.NET ACCOUNT REQUIRED TO PLAY ANY OF THEIR SINGLEPLAYER GAMES when I bought it on console after my computer began to hit me with blue screens like crazy.
Even then I don't really think they care that much about it,there's already a mega link on 4chan /vg/ Doom threads, various sites that still hold the wads, or DOSBOX archives out there.
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Post by ketmar on Mar 13, 2022 2:40:22 GMT -5
i never even owned any "legal copy" of Doom (but have Strife VE and Hedon Bloodrite on GOG).
i mean, i see current id/bethesda as pirates. because they have nothing to do with the original games, they just looted them from the corpse of the old id software, and now selling the loot.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2022 4:01:22 GMT -5
The Doom / Doom 2 / Final Doom / Masters levels bundle on Steam is €14,99, but you can get it much cheaper if you wait for Steam sales (often 75% off so less than €4,00)
It comes with the Doom Classic Unity Port, which is a surprisingly good classic source port. It also comes with a great launcher and a bunch of extra famous megawads.
With Steam Link, you can even play Doom on your phone or tablet.
I'm glad they implemented these changes aren't are just selling the dos version without windows support like they used to. It makes Doom a lot more accessible for the new generation, and old-school gamers looking to get back into Doom.
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Post by kvsari on Mar 13, 2022 4:36:55 GMT -5
I say nae to pirating Doom. I do believe the copyright should be lifted yes.
Since I imagine there are enough bespoke resources out there under favourable license terms, I think a more constructive and productive approach is this; Assemble libre textures and monsters and create a new libre IWAD and use that as the base for new PWADS from now on.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2022 5:06:49 GMT -5
I say nae to pirating Doom. I do believe the copyright should be lifted yes. Since I imagine there are enough bespoke resources out there under favourable license terms, I think a more constructive and productive approach is this; Assemble libre textures and monsters and create a new libre IWAD and use that as the base for new PWADS from now on. That's just Freedoom
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2022 8:21:59 GMT -5
@dmslr huh i'm not chicken out, but i don't bother if you perceive me as a pussy. We have the big (content removed), i'm fine in fitting the big cunt role. Deleting my own stuff? Well that's just my shtick. I plan in doing this on a monthly basis, so get used to it (:
I like to take every small opportunity that life gives me and cause a small cigarette burn on my ego so all the accumulated vanity slips through. But i stand by every word and sentence i've ever typed here and i have no problem in reinterate my points when necessary. From my very first account here (the esselfortium impersonation: Sarah Mancubus) to this one, to many others to come - i think that's enough proof to let you know that i'm not gonna leave this place too soon.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2022 8:33:04 GMT -5
To give a more serious response to the topic. I've already bought Doom on my 360, PS3, XBONE and GoG. If i want to pirate the iwads just for convenience sake, i'll do it.
Furthermore, i wish Sigil wasn't that expensive or if purchasing imports from my country wasn't so risky - so i could add that nice packaging that Romero assembled in my physical collection. I refuse to purchase the digital edition, so for now i have to content myself with a pirated version of sigil_shreds.
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Post by lunchlunch on Mar 13, 2022 15:48:50 GMT -5
As seg mentioned, no payment goes to the original creators of the game which is enough for me to say it is ethical to pirate the game. Beyond that, DOOM is almost thirty years old and is a monument in pop culture, it should be treated like public domain, DOOM belongs to everyone. Personally, I've paid for both DOOM and DOOM II in so many forms. CD-ROM, Steam, Switch, Xbox One, even DOOM 3 on XBOX. I feel zero shame about sharing a flashdrive with the IWADs and a source port whenever a friend has expressed interest in playing the game.
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Post by joe-ilya on Mar 14, 2022 19:47:19 GMT -5
If you can't get the game legally, be it whether you're a child, then go for the illegal option, that's what I always have done with video games I couldn't find on store shelves for my parents to buy.
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Post by 40oz on Mar 15, 2022 8:28:36 GMT -5
The forum host doesn't permit the distribution of pirated content per its Section 20(a) Compliance with Law clause in the TOS. So I'm not really allowed to allow it.
My opinion is similar to the honors system with downloading ROMs (for antique console game emulators.) You should download it if you've at some point in your life owned the game. Doom is a 25 year old game and pretty much everyone has played it at some point. The WAD files are not very hard to find in a google search so just get it if you really want it. I personally think Bethesda's rerelease of the game through its unity port is trash, as community-made source ports are far better and have much better utility than it. I wouldn't recommend paying for that to anyone.
Also, I think people holding a self-governing opinion that they shouldn't download whatever they want because it withholds money from the property owner is trash. Bethesda didn't make Doom, they acquired Doom. They are an enormous company and they have enormous investments in other things. Even if I encouraged people to destroy the company, giving non-owners of Doom links to download Doom illegally in lieu of paying $5.00 for it wouldn't make a dent in the company. So just do whatever you want.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 9:43:27 GMT -5
I personally think Bethesda's rerelease of the game through its unity port is trash, as community-made source ports are far better and have much better utility than it. I wouldn't recommend paying for that to anyone. I strongly disagree. In my opinion the official port is not for those who know what is Doom today and know there are source ports that help them to get into the game better. When a person who played Doom only in childhood and decided to buy it, they see chunky 320x200 resolution with other stuff they aren't used to nowadays. They might think "Ew, how to play this game in 2022?". And they give up with Doom without knowing about source ports or trying to bother installing them. The official port solves this problem. Whenever I see twitch's doom section there are always streamers who are trying doom first time and playing it through the official port.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 10:05:42 GMT -5
From what I understand the official port serves as a good-enough "gateway drug" so that people who actually want to dig deeper beyond what's available through that port can definitely do so. It's better than it was before.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2022 11:10:37 GMT -5
Discussing what is the best Doom port is something the Doom community loves to do and has done for twenty years with no clear consensus. It depends a lot on taste.
The Bethesda Unity port is stable, accessible, and still has a very old school Doom feeling, therefore I think it serves its purpose - making Doom accessible to new players and returning old-school players
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2022 14:54:54 GMT -5
The port "does the job" but I am sad that it doesn't seem to have much support for custom content beyond standard limit-removing, and, afaik, no easy way to play custom content.
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Post by Gokuma on Mar 16, 2022 19:04:22 GMT -5
How about this? You're allowed to pirate Doom, BUT only if you do so by distributing it on floppy disks hidden in inner trench coat pockets. USB drives that look like floppy disks are also acceptable.
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Post by kvsari on Mar 16, 2022 19:41:48 GMT -5
Just make sure you're wearing clothes under that trench coat Gokuma .
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Post by dn on Mar 17, 2022 8:59:47 GMT -5
How about this? You're allowed to pirate Doom, BUT only if you do so by distributing it on floppy disks hidden in inner trench coat pockets. USB drives that look like floppy disks are also acceptable. Sounds like a great idea where nothing bad can possibly happen. In an entirely unrelated conversational aside, let's play a word association game: Doom and Trenchcoats.
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Post by Gokuma on Mar 17, 2022 20:03:25 GMT -5
Is something wrong with my glorious cyberdemon body? BTW I didn't undergo the castration part of the process. In fact my cybermember has a grappling hook for snatching snatch.
I'd say launching a Doom package with trebuchet is also an acceptable method of distribution, as long as you include Heretic and Hexen then.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2022 7:19:40 GMT -5
Is something wrong with my glorious cyberdemon body? Show us the glutes or quit teasing.
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Post by ivandobrovski on Mar 18, 2022 17:24:19 GMT -5
Yes. It's an old and ancient game and Bethesda doesn't deserve the money from it. Old iD probably did, not them though.
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