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Post by dn on Jun 2, 2020 11:50:42 GMT -5
I've seen some photos of pallets of loose bricks being dumped on city corners to assist the outside party and bait the emotionally traumatized to destroy. "Bait the emotionally traumatized to destroy." Wew lad. It's called a tantrum. It's something children do. I keep seeing this strategy of infantalizing violent idiots as a way to excuse their abhorrant behavior, and it does not fucking work. The end result is an entire strata of American civilization that has escewed rational thought, replacing it with shitting their diapers to get what they want now now now.
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Post by 40oz on Jun 2, 2020 13:20:43 GMT -5
The National Guard should not have shot at people in their own homes but do you have better ideas on how to reinstate order? Should he just let people loot and burn? Pardon the wall of text. If our government leaders provided humanitarian aid with as little as a third of the amount of energy they had to mobilize the military and police forces all over the country to beat on its own people, I sincerely believe people wouldn't feel so silenced. As of now, the officers that shot and killed innocent Breonna Taylor in the dark while she was in her bed back in March are just now being investigated by the FBI. The officer who killed Eric Garner in a chokehold over a nonviolent offense on video was fired 5 years after the fact, with no criminal charges (He's a goddamn murderer. In any other job, you get fired for showing up late!) Derek Chauvin was only charged with 3rd degree murder (this is the same level crime as tripping someone and they stumble and crack their head open on a curb) for killing George Floyd slowly and painfully on video. The other three officers that were accessories to the killing were only fired with no criminal charges while they were blocking bystanders from intervening. The coroner and medical examiner supplied by the state for the case released an autopsy report that there were no signs of asphyxiation in George Floyd, and that he had health complications that were more likely the cause of death. But Floyd's family went to get their own medical examiner for a second opinion, and they confirmed that it was definitely a homicide . I haven't made the time to read up on the current details about the officers who beat or killed a few dozen other unarmed or innocent black people, but the list goes on. Many white Americans who share the opinions of GRUG and Bob Page insist on using their voices to swing the topic of police usage of deadly force and put the onus on the victims. Black people are understandably tired of being scared in this country and being told its their fault when they're profiled or their friends and family are killed by white supremacists or the police force. As far as humanitarian aid, the coronavirus is killing black people far more disproportionately than nonwhite people. I've read that a common factor in 96% of coronavirus fatalities is vitamin D deficiency, which we absorb through the sun. Over 70% of Americans are vitamin D deficient with the majority being black people because the melanin in their skin keeps them from absorbing it as much. That's an unfortunate fact of life, but Vitamin D supplements are cheap. Instead of quarantining people they could maybe mass distribute vitamin D supplements to keep people from dying, but instead we're on lockdown still even with this information circulating and we're just waiting on Donald Trump to get the OK from massive big pharma companies to distribute a working vaccine. I'm speaking for myself here, the intention is to put into perspective what it might be for people much poorer than me, which is quite a lot of Americans. The first stimulus check of $1,200 came way too late, my wife had already had her workplace shutdown weeks before and I was behind on my bills by the time it arrived so it only gave me enough to keep from risking foreclosure on my house. I can't imagine what little the trump change likely did for people worse off than me. I had to reach out locally to neighbors for support so that I could buy groceries one week. I'm doing a little better now, but its still tough. I have one friend who is living here in my house in a spare bedroom after I found out he got evicted from where he was living and left to sleep on the streets during the quarantine. I have many friends who are volunteering themselves to collect and deliver donations to local foodbanks, which I think might be literal hell for people who are physically handicapped or don't own a vehicle or have family or friends in their local area. There's talks about a second stimulus check coming, possibly with strings attached. Who knows when the fuck that's coming or if it's going to help anything. Everyone is out of work except for a few niche businesses or people who work for massive chain corporations. There's a surprising amount of love being spread laterally from people in the lower income brackets, but people up above still think they're being shortchanged and are using their energy to focus on their own independence. The media has been training us to believe that all of our requests for better social programs are radical left-wing utopias, and we dont have enough money to support all those lagging behind without overtaxing everyone. But the way the country has been locked down and how quickly they were able to send in troops and military vehicles with an infinite supply of rubber bullets, concussion grenades and tear gas is just an enormous slap in the face about what they're willing to do for their own people. Theres no shortage of money and their priorities are completely backwards. I get exhausted trying to think of the many other contributors to all the unrest here. I wish I could explain it more concisely, but almost every situation wouldn't be so complicated if people weren't so quick to lean in the most general and contextless version of every situational problem. It's all connected to just being treated like hot garbage. It sucks that people are using BLM's time to hijack their protests for their own personal frustrations. But the truth of the matter is Americans have a lot to be angry about and the government doesn't care.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 13:56:06 GMT -5
The National Guard should not have shot at people in their own homes but do you have better ideas on how to reinstate order? Should he just let people loot and burn? Pardon the wall of text. If our government leaders provided humanitarian aid with as little as a third of the amount of energy they had to mobilize the military and police forces all over the country to beat on its own people, I sincerely believe people wouldn't feel so silenced. As of now, the officers that shot and killed innocent Breonna Taylor in the dark while she was in her bed back in March are just now being investigated by the FBI. The officer who killed Eric Garner in a chokehold was fired 5 years after the fact, with no criminal charges. Only Derek Chauvin was charged with 3rd degree murder (this is the same level crime as tripping someone and they stumble and crack their head open on a curb) for killing George Floyd slowly and painfully. The other three officers were only fired with no criminal charges while they stood watching it happen. The coroner and medical examiner supplied by the state for the case released an autopsy report that there were no signs of asphyxiation in George Floyd, and that he had health complications that were more likely the cause of death. But Floyd's family went to get their own medical examiner for a second opinion, and they confirmed that he was killed by asphyxiation. I haven't made the time to read up on the current details about the officers who beat or killed a few dozen other unarmed or innocent black people, but the list goes on. Many white Americans who share the opinions of GRUG and Bob Page insist on using their voices to swing the topic of police usage of deadly force and put the onus on the victims. They're tired of being scared all the time and being told its their fault when they're profiled or their friends and family are killed. As far as humanitarian aid, the coronavirus is killing black people far more disproportionately than nonwhite people. I've read that a common factor in 96% of coronavirus fatalities is vitamin D deficiency, which we absorb through the sun. Over 70% of Americans are vitamin D deficient with the majority being black people because the melanin in their skin keeps them from absorbing it as much. That's an unfortunate fact of life, but Vitamin D supplements are cheap. Instead of quarantining people they could maybe mass distribute vitamin D supplements to keep people from getting sick, but instead we're on lockdown still even with this information and waiting on Donald Trump to get the OK from massive big pharma companies distribute a working vaccine. I'm speaking for myself here, the intention is to put into perspective what it might be for people much poorer than me, which is quite a lot of Americans. The first stimulus check of $1,200 came way too late, my wife had already had her workplace shutdown weeks before and I was behind on my bills by the time it arrived so it only gave me enough to keep from risking foreclosure on my house. I can't imagine what little the trump change likely did for people worse off than me. I had to reach out locally to neighbors for support so that I could buy groceries one week. I'm doing a little better now, but its still tough. I have one friend who is living here in my house in a spare bedroom after I found out he got evicted from where he was living and left to sleep on the streets during the quarantine. I have many friends who are volunteering themselves to collect and deliver donations to local foodbanks, which I think might be literal hell for people who are physically handicapped or don't own a vehicle or have family or friends in their local area. There's talks about a second stimulus check coming, possibly with strings attached. Who knows when the fuck that's coming or if it's going to help anything. Everyone is out of work except for a few niche businesses or people who work for massive chain corporations. There's a surprising amount of love being spread laterally from people in the lower income brackets, but people up above still think they're being shortchanged and are using their energy to focus on their own independence. The media has been training us to believe that all of our requests for better social programs are radical left-wing utopias, and we dont have enough money to support all those lagging behind without overtaxing everyone. But the way the country has been locked down and how quickly they were able to send in troops and military vehicles with an infinite supply of rubber bullets, concussion grenades and tear gas is just an enormous slap in the face about what they're willing to do for their own people. Theres no shortage of money and their priorities are completely backwards. I am really sorry to hear your tough situation and I am glad you are better but more social programs won't fix your country. More social programs = more government and my country is proof that more government won't fix shit. That's how it is in my country and you don't want to end up like us. MASSIVE welfare programs with no payoff Instead of more taxes, why not decide what to do with your own money? Politicians also bribe old people with higher pensions, at the cost of their grandkids. Welfare programs are just a ploy to make the state stronger, who can't even protect you in times of crisis it seems. Is you shop getting vandalized? Have fun waiting 30 minutes for the cops instead of defending it yourself! I'm not saying you should shoot people unless your life is in danger but you can deter vandals by just showing them a gun. Instead of more social programs poor people could learn valuable skills. The internet is full of quality education that is not only cheaper than college but also often better unless you are a lawyer or doctor. Why enslave yourself with student debt when you can take your life into your own hands? That's how I learned 3D modeling on my own and tommorow I have my final interview for the biggest outsourcing company in country, which I hope I will pass. I could have been a normie English teacher with a boring 9-5 job but I chose to take life into my own hands. I won't let some government goon decide how to live my life. Also, of course people are looking for their own independence. People are selfish because resources are limited and you shouldn't expect strangers to care about other strangers when they have themselves and their own families to take care of. If they want to help people voluntarily then it is a beautiful thing but it should not be expected and especially not enforced by the state. I get that you don't trust rich people. I don't like the megarich either, especially dweebs like Jackoff Dorsey or Dork Suckerborg. But why would you trust the government more? Even people like Bernie Sanders is rich, a guy who underpays his staff. That should tell you something about his moral character. In the end, the only person you can trust is yourself and the people closest to you. I am terribly disappointed by how some black people reacted to this. They had a chance to make their voices heard but instead, many of them decided to pillage Nike stores. When you act like that, you probably make other bad life decisions like that. Again, black people don't have to be the Roma (not Romanians btw) of USA, they can be so much more but they gotta take life into their own hands. Also, don't forget that the democrats are NOT their friends, neither the Republicans. They gotta take life into their own hands because the government is not their fucking daddy. Know this guy? He is an ex-felon bankrobber who managed to make it in life. I have nothing but respect for him. He'll show you that the democrats and their presstitute rag media lackeys are not their friends and if they are not their friends they are not yours either. They're not only not their friends but they have been fanning the flames of the black victim mentality for decades. Black people are the only group left that are still not over slavery. Ever heard of the Ottoman Empire? You should look that up. They did some pretty nasty stuff to their slaves and my part of the world but you never hear about it and you never will because they want to keep you weak and ignorant. We're not doing so great but ever hear us complain about it? The Greeks had it much worse but they weren't nice to us either. So much for white privilege! If you think slavery still affects you then if you have no control over your life and if you have no control over your life then you will never be free and prosperous.
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Post by 40oz on Jun 2, 2020 16:09:07 GMT -5
doomro, I hear you, what you're saying makes sense. Nobody here is really unified on the right way to go about all of this. The protests are spread nationwide. I have my own opinions and pursuits and they're different than others here and abroad.
I'm not saying I'm right about everything, you have your reasons and personal experiences and I have mine. A large part of my interest in this is when I recognized that there's always more to learn and I'll never have all the answers. A year or two ago, I've previously felt that this whole race issue is not my fight and I should just focus on myself. But it feels very isolating in a way I don't really feel anymore since I started to care about others. I began making myself available to hear and understand other people's point of views from as many different perspectives as I can reach. I'm not sure exactly what the catalyst for that was, but the result shined a massive spotlight on a lot of blindspots I have on the understanding of our culture, and I think the failure to understand one another is where a lot of white supremacy lies in the US. There's a lot of "just shutup and get through it, pussy" kinda thinking and its very unhealthy for our social structure. We need something more communal to make people feel like they're worth something.
Because I'm a white dude I personally don't feel any of the repercussions of white supremacy in the US. I only see and hear and feel for those who are victims of it. I am participating in these protests, but the time isn't mine. I would be speaking out of turn to talk about the personal experiences people have with white supremacy. I'm going to them just to be an accessory to the cause. As far as I can tell, I don't think anyone truly has the answers on the right path forward. The best way I can put it is that we're simply just sick of being powerless. We need our leaders to hear us. The best case scenario is we cause enough of a ruckus to get them to fold.
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Post by Justince on Jun 2, 2020 17:25:40 GMT -5
"We need to do this, you need to support that, you need to change everything you do." Right, it's always the law-abiding citizens that have to change, we're the ones that are wrong, not the people burning down New York. They're just traumatized again. I hope the designer handbags and TVs quell their damaged hearts. If we're suddenly responsible for the behavior of these people like all the gutless liberals think we are shouldn't there be some kind of compensation? They love to talk about reparations for slavery, who's going to foot the bill for the last 70 fucking years of babysitting? If the tables were turned you think the same people would support YOUR cause? You think black people would turn out in ANY significant number to support some white guy getting capped by cop (it happens, more often than you will ever admit publicly, but I'll let the data speak for itself)? I think you already know the answer. Keep up the ruckus, I'll be sitting on my couch with a beer when the tanks flatten these stupid children. I've seen some photos of pallets of loose bricks being dumped on city corners to assist the outside party and bait the emotionally traumatized to destroy. "Bait the emotionally traumatized to destroy." Wew lad. It's called a tantrum. It's something children do. I keep seeing this strategy of infantalizing violent idiots as a way to excuse their abhorrant behavior, and it does not fucking work. The end result is an entire strata of American civilization that has escewed rational thought, replacing it with shitting their diapers to get what they want now now now. TRUTH, PAINFUL UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTH
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Post by GRUG on Jun 2, 2020 18:03:58 GMT -5
white supremacy in the US. What do American whites have supremacy over in this day and age? Whites don't have a majority control to promote their "power" in academia, corporations, population demographics in major cities, court of law, and the media (Hollywood, fashion, news, sports, music, etc...). And if there are whites in positions of power, they often adhere to left wing social beliefs that benefit the groups of non-whites. So I don't know what you and everyone else on the left is talking about here. White folk lose their jobs for UN-anonymously expressing opinions and risk social backlash from online doxxing mobs for expressing unpopular opinions. Meanwhile non-whites and blue check mark twitter users say all kinds of disparaging shit that often doesn't get them fired, censored, or socially ostracized. White folk are at the lowest priority of the hiring totem pole due to affirmative action and diversity quotas. Non-whites have highest hiring priorities. SUCH SUPREEEEEMACY...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 23:29:34 GMT -5
Great points made by GRUG and Justince. No one is arguing that we're living in a time where racism doesn't exist in America(or the world), because that'll never happen. But to be convinced that there's somehow a sinister systemic bigotry in the police force because the media cherry picks which videos it shows the public is wrong as well. One bad cop doesn't make the entirety of American law enforcement corrupt or evil. You guys see what the press wants you to see. We never see the good things done by the boys in blue because they're not juicy enough and don't fit the narrative. We've got people out there who've destroyed billions of dollars worth of other people's property in the name of a "crisis" that doesn't bear out when we look at things with a rational mind. Which goes back to one of my original posts in this thread about the media ginning up rage. They've been quite successful so far. We're in what, night number six of riots tonight? Many cops are out marchine with the people in solidarity, is that indicative of a racist police force?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2020 23:49:33 GMT -5
People, just move to Russia already. You don't have to worry about riots here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 1:41:37 GMT -5
We need something more communal to make people feel like they're worth something. The state and big corporations won't help with that. That's where all the snakes and wolves gather.
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Post by thundercunt on Jun 5, 2020 17:52:16 GMT -5
did you guys managed to steal anything cool during the riots?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2020 3:59:19 GMT -5
Good thing Jackoff Dorsey lets stuff like this on Twitter but censors people who want to defend themselves. If the rioters get their precious revolution people like him will be the first to face the wall and I can't wait to laugh with glee at their misery. archive.vn/zgOEdPeople like him "will be squashed like cockroaches". You don't have to take my word, Yuri Bezmenov, a former KGB propagandist said it. It is a long interview so the relevant part starts at 54:00. "Unlike in [the] present United States there will be no place for dissent in future Marxist-Leninist America. Here you can get popular like Daniel Ellsberg and filthy-rich like Jane Fonda for being ‘dissident,’ for criticizing your Pentagon. In [the] future these people will be simply [squashing sound] squashed like cockroaches. Nobody is going to pay them nothing for their beautiful, noble ideas of equality. This they don’t understand and it will be [the] greatest shock for them, of course."www.eurochicago.com/2011/07/interview-with-yuri-bezmenov/
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 12:35:10 GMT -5
Yeah this is totally fucking organic and not unhinged at all. What did Romania ever do to black people? You may wonder why I ever post about American issues. This is why! How about you leave us the fuck alone?! You dumb cunts!
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Post by marriagecounselor on Jun 7, 2020 16:17:02 GMT -5
i haven't heard about this yet what's going on? someone died? what? that's bad, man.
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Post by Justince on Jun 8, 2020 16:51:03 GMT -5
i haven't heard about this yet what's going on? someone died? what? that's bad, man. You know, same old shit. Black Live Matter when it's politically advantageous. Black on black crime is still absurdly higher than any other metric, but is willingly ignored. White people are responsible for the crimes of other whites but black people aren't, and to even suggest maybe their problem is within their own communities you're basically Super Hitler. Democrats treat blacks like spoiled children with no accountability and place the burden on everyone else when they go out of line. Turns out the coronavirus is woke and you won't be prosecuted for killing someone's grandma as long as you're a political activist on the left. Corporations have decided to align with extreme political ideology so if you want to buy a fucking hamburger you have to support an open terrorist organization. So yeah, another day in the fuckin' U. S. of A.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 18:12:00 GMT -5
Corporations have decided to align with extreme political ideology so if you want to buy a fucking hamburger you have to support an open terrorist organization. So yeah, another day in the fuckin' U. S. of A. You have no idea. My employer(a top 100 business) just pledged 10 million dollars to BLM and said they'd match employee donations. We get three blogs a day from senior leadership about how whites are all privileged cunts and should take re-education classes to get in touch with the guilt we should all be feeling. One of my friends at work very politely said that he thought the riots that hurt local businesses were wrong and didn't help the movement. He got called a racist and a bigot; no one defended him for fear their job or promotion would be on the line. The sleeping dragon is about to get woken up.
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Post by 40oz on Jun 8, 2020 18:48:01 GMT -5
White people are killed by other white people more than any other race. Hispanic people are killed by other hispanic people more than any other ethnicity. It's all about proximity. Black on black crime isn't any more of a thing than any other intra-racial crime. Any Americans' closest relationship with anyone is with someone of their own race, which means someone who's most likely to piss you off to the point of killing them is 99% most likely to be someone with your same skin color or ethnic background.
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Post by 40oz on Jun 8, 2020 19:58:36 GMT -5
i haven't heard about this yet what's going on? someone died? what? that's bad, man. Here's a real synopsis from someone who cares about the issue. George Floyd was pulled over by police and asked to exit his vehicle. George Floyd said no and he was forcibly removed by Officer Derek Chauvin and 3 other officers on the scene. Floyd did not fight back as Officer Chauvin cuffed him, pinned him to the ground, and rested his knee on the back of Floyd's neck against the pavement. This is not police protocol and anyone with even a little bit of training would know that a maneuver like that would kill a man. Bystander's took out their phones and recorded the scene, and the other three officers blocked off people from intervening while George Floyd begged and pleaded for him to get off, saying "I can't breathe, I can't breathe." The officer remained with his knee to his neck for a full eight minutes and thirty eight seconds, and you can see the moment he goes still. Chauvin stood up when the ambulance arrived and Floyd had no pulse when the EMT's checked on him. He was pronounced dead when he arrived at the hospital. Floyd was unemployed as a result of the Covid-19 shutdown, and his crime was a forged signature on a $20.00 check. (video)This isn't the worst case of police brutality in the United States, but it's far from the first. Over the last few years, there have been many police killings of black men and women which prompted the start of the Black Lives Matter movement. Even so, our government leaders have continually proposed and passed massive budget increases for police while decreasing the budget for things like public transportation, education, and other social programs. Keep in mind, we're also experiencing a nationwide government shutdown and many hospitals are desperately understocked on protective wear. Remember this when you see officers without face masks, but decked out with military grade armor and weapons. This has sparked massive protests, first across the nation, then across the world. The protestors are calling for criminal prosecution of all the officers involved with George Floyd's killing, which has been successful so far (but not without remarkable resistance from the state) They're also calling to revisit cases where numerous other black people were killed by or because of the police and the officers involved were not held accountable, which is also working so far, but at a snail's pace. They're also calling to abolish (or defund) the police, break-up police unions, and/or make them all accountable for their crimes. This is essentially the point of the protests, but it gets worse! Over the last two weeks there's been a fucking shitshow of pictures and videos of police instigating violence in otherwise peaceful protests, such as firing rubber bullets at point blank range, clubbing people unconscious, launching tear gas canisters (which has long been declared a chemical weapon and a warcrime by the The Geneva Convention,) driveby pepper-spraying, running over protestors with their vehicles, using undercover cops as fake protestors to vandalize and instigate violence, staging "bait bricks" at the protest sites, destroying medical supply stations, talking about shooting and running protestors over their radio comms, covering their badge numbers and nametags, turning off their bodycams, and lying point blank about their assault offenses that they would have gotten away with if people weren't recording it with their cell phones and sharing over social media. They also lied about Floyd's cause of death until his family paid for their own private medical examiner. Police in the united states are revealing themselves to be a glorified gang. By the way, it took me a while to find a lot of this stuff. If I google some pretty obvious key phrases, the whitewashed version of the stories come through first in all major search engine channels by our mainstream news sources, which are aligned with big corporations and are skewing the stories to make it seem unclear. The cronyist corporatism has ensured that almost all channels of the internet protect their bottom line first before giving the raw truth. This is massively contributing to why dummies in this thread are saying that property damage is the most heinous crime (while the vast majority of the damage is being done to large corporations that have experienced record profits since the start of the shutdown) and that these protestors that make up a majority of our country's population are all just bunch of weaksauce spoiled millenial crybabies and getting beat to a pulp by our classist regime is smooth running order. But if you follow the right hashtags on twitter and instagram you can get some pretty clear-cut evidence of the fuckery at the time its happening before the story gets shit all over and misreported by the media.
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Post by 40oz on Jun 8, 2020 21:08:03 GMT -5
Another point I wanted to make (but I'm not having a whole lot of luck finding more than one example) are the "feel good" news stories of good police officers taking a knee and a joining the protestors. I've heard from a variety of sources that these are staged for good PR photo opportunities, and the same officers are seen shortly after beating the fuck out of protestors and gassing them. I found this video from local news in Buffalo NY reporting police having a change of heart on June 3rd. Not one day later, in the same exact location, they shove a 70 year old peaceful protestor to the ground, cracking his skull.
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Post by GRUG on Jun 9, 2020 23:55:20 GMT -5
Take it to court then. Have both toxicology reports compared and have both examiners explain their findings in regards what they deemed as the cause of death. As per the link you provided, "Under 'other significant conditions', it said, Floyd suffered from heart disease and hypertension, and listed fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use." He did have drugs in his system, and apparently he had dangerous amounts of fentanyl in his system. So drugs + heart disease & hyper tension + knee pressure to the neck likely factored into George Floyd's cardiac arrest. This is massively contributing to why dummies in this thread are saying that property damage is the most heinous crime (while the vast majority of the damage is being done to large corporations that have experienced record profits since the start of the shutdown) At this point you clearly are blind to the obvious carnage in these cities. No it's not just corporations like Target that are getting looted and burned down. It's any store in sight. That includes many mom n' pop stores (pawn shops, electronic shops, jewelry shops, convenience stores etc...), that are most likely fucked after all this. Go take a look at news footage all over youtube. I take it doesn't matter to you that store owners and bystanders are getting beaten and killed by rioters. Look at this: His name was David Dorn, which I guess his life didn't matter. . Yes a black 77 year old grandfather gunned down and store looted. No he was not a big corporation. They're also calling to abolish (or defund) the police, break-up police unions, and/or make them all accountable for their crimes. And be careful for what you wish for. People are tribal by nature, and will defend their communities by any means necessary if local (or state) police is abolished. If there is no established law and order, then vigilante groups will became de-facto enforcers to enforce 'justice' to however they deem appropriate.
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Post by 40oz on Jun 10, 2020 9:22:47 GMT -5
Take it to court then. Have both toxicology reports compared and have both examiners explain their findings in regards what they deemed as the cause of death. As per the link you provided, "Under 'other significant conditions', it said, Floyd suffered from heart disease and hypertension, and listed fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use." He did have drugs in his system, and apparently he had dangerous amounts of fentanyl in his system. So drugs + heart disease & hyper tension + knee pressure to the neck likely factored into George Floyd's cardiac arrest. What drugs are you on? Hiring your own private medical examiner and extending the case is crazy expensive. Its so clear that George was murdered slowly and painfully and the state is making great leaps to disqualify what we all know. The state is openly trying to bankrupt the Floyd family. Theyre gambling that they will eventually run out of money and give up. That's the systemic racial injustice the protestors are fighting against. At this point you clearly are blind to the obvious carnage in these cities. No it's not just corporations like Target that are getting looted and burned down. It's any store in sight. That includes many mom n' pop stores (pawn shops, electronic shops, jewelry shops, convenience stores etc...), that are most likely fucked after all this. Go take a look at news footage all over youtube. I take it doesn't matter to you that store owners and bystanders are getting beaten and killed by rioters. Look at this: His name was David Dorn, which I guess his life didn't matter. . Yes a black 77 year old grandfather gunned down and store looted. No he was not a big corporation. Ive been going to protests every day since last Friday. I dont need you to tell me what you saw on YouTube is the pinnacle of clarity on the subject. Last Saturday, the protest in Philadelphia had tens of thousands of people in it. There were people handing out free water and snacks, carrying medical supplies and sunblock, holding hands, people checking that you're not alone or if youre ok. I didnt see a single thing burned, broken or spraypainted all day. Im not doubting what happened to David Dorn. What I'm saying is that what happened to him did not happen under the guidance of the Black Lives Matter movement or in memoriam for George Floyd. And be careful for what you wish for. People are tribal by nature, and will defend their communities by any means necessary if local (or state) police is abolished. If there is no established law and order, then vigilante groups will became de-facto enforcers to enforce 'justice' to however they deem appropriate. Since you dont know what this means, I'll explain it to you. The abolition of police means to drastically reduce the scope of responsibility imposed on police to enforce. This means reallocating their budget to education, rehab, social work, therapy, transportation, housing, community events, etc. These are measures to reduce crime proactively. That way we dont have to fill pur jails with teenagers that we suspect to commit crimes later on. Police wont be overworked and understaffed. And when you have a noise complaint, a domestic dispute, see someone whos publically intoxicated, someone who is suicidal, or a homeless person trespassing through your yard, you wont have to be reduced to calling a racist juggernaut with body armor and a gun to mediate it like we are now. Minneapolis has already agreed to do it, and this has already been done in New Jersey years ago with very positive results.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 19:13:52 GMT -5
What drugs are you on? Hiring your own private medical examiner and extending the case is crazy expensive. Its so clear that George was murdered slowly and painfully and the state is making great leaps to disqualify what we all know. The state is openly trying to bankrupt the Floyd family. Theyre gambling that they will eventually run out of money and give up. That's the systemic racial injustice the protestors are fighting against. You ask what drugs he's on, then you proceed to argue a conspiracy theory that the State of Minnesota is secretly a racist behemoth trying to bankrupt the Floyd family by having the medical examiner lie among other things. I'm kinda curious to know what drugs you're on actually. Ive been going to protests every day since last Friday. I dont need you to tell me what you saw on YouTube is the pinnacle of clarity on the subject. Last Saturday, the protest in Philadelphia had tens of thousands of people in it. There were people handing out free water and snacks, carrying medical supplies and sunblock, holding hands, people checking that you're not alone or if youre ok. I didnt see a single thing burned, broken or spraypainted all day. Im not doubting what happened to David Dorn. What I'm saying is that what happened to him did not happen under the guidance of the Black Lives Matter movement or in memoriam for George Floyd. Pardon us if we think you might be just a bit biased. And besides, the daytime is rarely when the bad stuff happens. The crime, looting, and violence happen at night, when people like you are safely tucked in their little beds. No one is saying that some other elements(Antifa, etc.) haven't taken advantage of the protests to cause trouble. But if you really believe that none of the George Floyd supporters are committing heinous crimes, you done drank all the Kool-Aid. Since you dont know what this means, I'll explain it to you. The abolition of police means to drastically reduce the scope of responsibility imposed on police to enforce. This means reallocating their budget to education, rehab, social work, therapy, transportation, housing, community events, etc. These are measures to reduce crime proactively. That way we dont have to fill pur jails with teenagers that we suspect to commit crimes later on. Police wont be overworked and understaffed. And when you have a noise complaint, a domestic dispute, see someone whos publically intoxicated, someone who is suicidal, or a homeless person trespassing through your yard, you wont have to be reduced to calling a racist juggernaut with body armor and a gun to mediate it like we are now. Again, you see what you want to see. You willfully ignore instances of cops acting appropriately, standing against racism, and treating everyone equally all across the country because it doesn't serve your narrative. Anybody can mount a convincing argument if they cherry-pick all the best examples that help bolster their position. And statistics can be interpreted a million ways. You look at black employment stats or black incarceration stats and see racism in the system, when others look at those same stats and see a broken culture where people are committing more crimes and having less ambition and desire to better themselves. These people want to defund the police because they are criminals by nature, and not having a strong police presence enables them to more easily commit crimes, period. George Floyd is not a role model. He was a piece of shit loser with a long rap sheet that included robbery, assault, drugs, etc. Also, he happened to be black, which honestly isn't even relevant but is being focused on because it's juicy and makes it easy to gin up anti-cop, anti-Trump, anti-establishment, anti-whatever-you-want hatred. The fact that these people are holding Floyd up as an icon and a saint says volumes about them. Should the cop have killed him? Definitely not. But let's not pretend the guy was a model citizen. I'll say this again: I have yet to see compelling evidence that suggests that cops in the USA have a bigotry problem. But what I see happening in much of the black community in the USA tells me that they are very anti-cop. When you teach your kids at a young age that cops are out to get you and to never talk to them, you think maybe you're gonna behave differently around those cops than someone who wasn't fed that crap growing up?
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Post by dn on Jun 10, 2020 20:53:00 GMT -5
Take a step back and look at this logically.
BLM protests are taking place in the middle of a pandemic. The disease in question has been proven to kill more black people than white. These dumb fuck protestors are about to kill more fucking black people than a racist police department could manage in ten years.
BLM organisers are actively encouraging this. Ergo, they are either retarded or conplicit: they are willing to sacrifice black lives in service to an ideology. They are not the fucking revolution, they are basic bitch grifters, they are worthy of nothing other than contempt.
Also I just watched a bunch of idiots pull down a confederate statue. It toppled from the plinth and squashed a black man. Everyone cheered. I cannot think of a more accurate piece of symbolism for this entire fucking debacle.
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Post by GRUG on Jun 11, 2020 20:05:33 GMT -5
Don't gas light me. I literally quoted a sentence from that link you had. If you don't recall, the official autopsy from the state of Minnesota along with the Independent autopsy listed high amounts of fentanyl in Floyd's system along with a slew of other drugs. There are charges being held against all 4 cops. Thus, take both autopsy reports to court. Ive been going to protests every day since last Friday. I dont need you to tell me what you saw on YouTube is the pinnacle of clarity on the subject. Last Saturday, the protest in Philadelphia had tens of thousands of people in it. There were people handing out free water and snacks, carrying medical supplies and sunblock, holding hands, people checking that you're not alone or if youre ok. I didnt see a single thing burned, broken or spraypainted all day. Im not doubting what happened to David Dorn. What I'm saying is that what happened to him did not happen under the guidance of the Black Lives Matter movement or in memoriam for George Floyd. I've seen 2 protests so far. One in Stamford CT a few weeks ago, and the other in Stroudsburg PA. Both of these I saw were peaceful. You have every right to peacefully assemble. Nobody is saying there aren't any peaceful demonstrations going on. But there are some non-peaceful demonstrations going on as we speak. 21 people (as per Wikipedia today) are dead. The looting, arson, and assaults needs to stop. There is no excusing that. Since you dont know what this means, I'll explain it to you. The abolition of police means to drastically reduce the scope of responsibility imposed on police to enforce. This means reallocating their budget to education, rehab, social work, therapy, transportation, housing, community events, etc. These are measures to reduce crime proactively. That way we dont have to fill pur jails with teenagers that we suspect to commit crimes later on. Police wont be overworked and understaffed. And when you have a noise complaint, a domestic dispute, see someone whos publically intoxicated, someone who is suicidal, or a homeless person trespassing through your yard, you wont have to be reduced to calling a racist juggernaut with body armor and a gun to mediate it like we are now. Minneapolis has already agreed to do it, and this has already been done in New Jersey years ago with very positive results. That's not abolition then. That's reformation.
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Post by Phml on Jun 12, 2020 7:05:25 GMT -5
Yeah this is totally fucking organic and not unhinged at all. What did Romania ever do to black people? You may wonder why I ever post about American issues. This is why! How about you leave us the fuck alone?! You dumb cunts! I thought it was funny enough to see agitators digging up a 2016 police "brutality" case to use the George Floyd momentum in my country, but this tops the charts. How many black people do you even have in Romania, 1 out of 10 000? This post of yours may be the most important of the entire topic. Racism and police brutality aren't real issues, on a statistical level. Neither is anti-white sentiment, for that matter. Power players would like to manipulate us into caring about meaningless identity politics rather than the important stuff. Even legitimate, intuitive sentiment regarding the danger of corporatism to the extreme is redirected into fruitless thoughts: your local Home Depot sure as hell doesn't have the same weight as Google or Twitter in this fight nor the same profit motive. Much like the pandemic profits weren't split equally between companies, and even a cursory look will tell you the big winners are also those who support the protests; yet blanket hate against "corporations" shields Google and Twitter while burning down local businesses. The real stories we should be talking about here: - private companies have monopolized public discourse and now feel they have enough power to censor the president of the United States. Freedom of speech is dead in the water. - the Federal Reserve lowered bank reserve requirement from 10% to 0. We went from fractional reserve banking to infinite dollars forever. The value of labor, of YOUR labor, has essentially plummeted, and nobody is out there protesting for this theft of unprecedented magnitude. Instead, let's riot over one African American who died during an interpellation. Let's herald this career criminal as an idol, instead of the many genuinely innocent black people gunned down by police. Let's ignore this particular person was handpicked by the media FOR the divisive nature of his case, to ensure maximum split and turmoil in the population. Oh boy! We're going to bring revolution by doing exactly what the conglomerates in power want us to do! There's at least a ray of hope in that this bullshit doesn't export so well. Here in France, we have the police counterprotesting hard against the obvious plants and opportunists. Black vs white... Hmm. You want to focus on identity politics, I say there's more interesting identity politics to delve into. Jews, jesuits, freemasons, the specific families and subgroups within these groups that have held much of the power in the last 300 years. All things the average middle class guy derides as conspiracy theories, confident his social circle is representative of all of society, while failing to understand he's behaving the same as a North Korean who believes North Korea is the entire world.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 13:31:45 GMT -5
Phml Almost all black people we have are medical students. I probably saw less than 25 black people in my life and I don't think I've ever had the chance to even speak with one. They come here because the education is good but very cheap (compared to countries like US). Most people around here actually like black people, especially young people. When I was growing up the cool kids listened to hip hop, played San Andreas and Blade was a very popular super hero. I'm a metalhead so it was never my cup of tea but there are many black actors, musicians and YouTubers I admire. Jazz is extremely sophisticated music and there would probably not be metal music if not for blues. So yeah, seeing this movement around this part of the world (Balkans in general) is extremely bizarre. Reminds me a lot of when western game journos tried to shove identity politics down Daniel Vavra's throat.
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