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Post by deathevokation on Nov 7, 2017 20:15:52 GMT -5
Seriously... my favorite one has to be Kevin Spacey's writing a heartfelt letter saying "I'm gay" in response to claims of molesting boys and then when that doesn't work; sperging about his Nazi father dropping redpills while raping him and his brother while forcing them to read racist literature. If you've been molested when you were young and you acknowledge that it was an awful thing then why do it to someone else? Like exactly what planet do these people live in?
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Post by TOS on Nov 7, 2017 20:45:30 GMT -5
I am loving this "L.A. Meltdown" as it were. Heh.
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Post by TOS on Nov 7, 2017 20:56:36 GMT -5
This is what they get for not having original thoughts anymore.
But seriously, fuck Hollywood and the people who run it. A bunch of swindling, smut peddling, disgusting money obsessed scoundrels. I hope they all lose everything.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 22:35:10 GMT -5
I am loving this "L.A. Meltdown" as it were. Heh. And with Kevin's nazi dad we get even closer to a Hollywood Holocaust. Those alien bastards are truly going to pay for shooting up my ride molesting people.
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Post by TOS on Nov 7, 2017 23:06:23 GMT -5
The wall will keep aliens out.
...wait, do trigger warnings have to come before potentially "harmful" speech?
Oh well. Get triggered.
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Post by 40oz on Nov 8, 2017 9:05:42 GMT -5
This is a pretty crazy situation. I've read on "work secrets" threads on message boards decades ago some posts from people who have worked on movie sets. They talk about how Hollywood is and always has been a slimy business. Just about every female actress you know blew a few dudes here and there to get to where they are now. No question. It's practically hopeless to become a celebrity on your own merit. When you're surrounded by so much filth it's difficult to question it. It's just how the business operates.
Christina P. is a comedian and she has a pretty funny joke related to this. "Who's dick to I have to suck to get a big break around here? Seriously, show me the dick. I'm tired of this I just want to be famous, already!"
It's pretty awful that this is the case, but a lot of people move to Los Angeles because they don't fit in the community they were born in. Some of these people are just outcasts or had really fucked up childhoods. And it's tough living on the west coast. The climate is beautiful year round, everything is more expensive, there's so much more to do. It's a whole culture over there that is riddled with attention-deprived desparation and many people will willingly do dehumanizing things for a minute so they can secure a fruitful future. The crazy part is that most of the famous people you see on TV are comfortable with this. It's part of the agreement!
This is what's really crazy, try putting yourself in Harvey Weinstein's shoes for a few years. This man is surrounded by yes-men, because everyone who works with him wants to be in his position some day. Even the low level workers keep their mouths shut because they don't have a loud enough voice to stop this, and the people they work with either also want to be Harvey Weinstein some day or have just given up hope that things aren't going to change. Harvey Weinstein gets texts and calls and emails every day from women who want to blow him. These women heard through other show business workers that that is what you've gotta do if you want to be famous. And if you're gonna do it, you gotta do it good.
I'm not pardoning him, but if you're Harvey Weinstein and you're rich, and your famous, and everyone is dishonest with you all the time because they want positions of power that you can grant them, and this has been going on for 30+ years, then your head is going to be fucked. You're on a different planet. You're not a normal person anymore. There's no one that will talk sense into you. Your life is full of bliss and comfort and everyone you know wants what you have. This train is going full speed and you can't turn it around. You just have to own this reputation. The power is severely addictive and it's not easy to be humble. I think people underestimate how difficult it must be to be humble for that long while living the kind of reality he lives in.
Only today, people are now placing the business practices or regular corporate office politics on the entertainment industry. This is particularly worrying because the definition of rape and harrassment has been fluctuating so much that the courts will be full for a very long time.
Its interesting to think what might happen. We might see a rise in low budget films, but also a decline on total films released in a year. We might also see fewer young actresses and pop music stars. Entertainment might not be a very highly valued profession anymore. This kinda movement might change Tv, movies, and music forever, and in a way we can't know is going to be better or worse.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 11:06:31 GMT -5
Let it all tumble down and burn, burn, burn! Mwahahaha >.<
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Post by deathevokation on Nov 8, 2017 11:51:13 GMT -5
Let it all tumble down and burn, burn, burn! Mwahahaha >.< *it's in Japanese, but the other girl phones in to tell her she has a good villain laugh. This has been me watching Hollywood become more and more spastic throughout Trump's presidency.. to say that guy's been an ill omen to them would be an understatement.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 21:01:10 GMT -5
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Post by TOS on Nov 9, 2017 12:46:06 GMT -5
^I'm not even mad. That's fucking impressive.
Yeah, after reading it I recant my statement. That's fucking weird.
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Post by 40oz on Nov 10, 2017 9:18:46 GMT -5
This has been me, watching Hollywood become more and more spastic throughout Trump's presidency.. to say that guy's been an ill omen to them would be an understatement. what about hollywood has been particularly spastic?
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Post by deathevokation on Nov 10, 2017 17:54:06 GMT -5
This has been me, watching Hollywood become more and more spastic throughout Trump's presidency.. to say that guy's been an ill omen to them would be an understatement. what about hollywood has been particularly spastic? I'm not sure if you're asking this question in good faith, but I'll answer it as if you were. There's too many instances for me to recount each, but a few standouts would be them shouting on stage about how Trump supporters are Nazis and about how you should "punch Nazis in the face" (see how dangerous this logic is? I declare you a Nazi and then punch you because you're a Nazi and I hate Nazis!), almost every single actor sperging on Twitter about Trump atleast once a day and retweeting eachother in some giant circle jerk, waking up at 5 AM to try be the first to comment on a Donald Trump tweet, the stupid videos they post on Youtube where 7 or so hollywood celebrities would each finish eachothers sentences on how you must resist Donald Trump (my favorite was when they were condescendingly telling the Republican delegates that it was their moral obligation to defect from him, using buzzwords that they normally demonize, such as "patriotism").. inviting Donald Trump to what would have essentially have been a whole night of roasting him and cracking jokes at his expense; he realized this would happen in advance and instead held a rally elsewhere; so upperclass elitists were roasting someone that wasn't there, while Trump held a rally elsewhere speaking to a crowd of supporters.. MSNBC was forced to cover both at the same time and the snarky elitist humor fell flat when there wasn't a camera to show the impact of every roast. Gutfield or whatever his name has documented quite a lot of these events (he documented them better than he covered them, though), there's the Dumbledore's army, there's that neanderthall whose barely literate that acted in Sin City making tough guy tweets, there's washed up rom com actors who can only type in capslock that accuse him of being a Nazi sympathizer (and when he denounces the alt right she says it's "TOO LITTLE TOO LATE")... applauding eachother with every single awards ceremony where there's a stunning and brave speech about Trump with very funny jokes about how awards use the popular vote (get it? har har har), and my fucking favorite atm is Morgan Freeman saying that America has been attacked and saying that Donald Trump must address the public and say "alright fellow Americans, we've been attacked by Russia, lets launch an investigation into how I became president!" (as if him making such an announcement wouldn't paint a picture of an unconfident leader at all!). There an actress dressing up as Hitler and pretending to be offended by being compared to Trump. Not to mention there's no shortage of a huge portion of celebrities talking down on at least half the country, and then wondering why turnout to their movies is at an alltime low, there's Gary Moore talking down on the people voting for Donald Trump in his own special way.. even all the non Trump related scandals.. there seems to be an increase of big names getting busted for sexual assault, celebrities virtue signaling about being "allies" who are against sexual assault and call for society to "listen and believe" only for their previous victims to come out of silence to accuse them and them admitting guilt, and making the most awkward excuses (Kevin Spacey, haha).. etc.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 18:10:06 GMT -5
What do people mean exactly when they say Hollywood? How do I figure out if I'm dealing with a Hollywood actor\movie or not? Can I check that somewhere?
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Post by TOS on Nov 11, 2017 8:14:49 GMT -5
what about hollywood has been particularly spastic? Pure awesome. Oh fuck the hell yes...that was very pleasing to read.
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Post by 40oz on Nov 11, 2017 13:41:40 GMT -5
Sorry I didn't mean to present that as a leading question. I just wanted to check to see if we were on the same page. Yeah, that's a long list of craziness and I certainly don't favor any of it. It sucks that politics is finding its way in our entertainment, but I'm not sure that these new allegations that are surfacing are any indication that its going to stop. At the very least it will put shitty people out of work or in jail, but their opinions, their voices, and their relevance to the public sphere will still exist. It's worth mentioning that even cool people like Louis C.K. are getting hit by this.
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Post by TOS on Nov 11, 2017 13:56:13 GMT -5
Yeah, it sucks hearing my boy Louis was a part of this mess...I mean, at least he isn't trying to lie about it...but that doesn't excuse the action.
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Post by 40oz on Nov 11, 2017 14:22:16 GMT -5
I mean, at least he isn't trying to lie about it...but that doesn't excuse the action. IMO it's yes and no. The actions being referred to (according to the article) are that he masturbated while talking about his sexual fantasies to another female comedian over the phone. There's a serious problem in all of society in which "sexual misconduct" is such a gross and slimy topic that no sane person wants to seriously visualize what it is in their head. Because of this, "sexual misconduct" covers a massive range of possibilities from kidnapping a woman, tying her up, drugging her, slapping your sweaty cock in her face and jizzing in her hair while she screams for mercy, but also includes saying to a woman "hey wanna check out my bedroom?" Imagine if we did the same for the word "murder." Where murder could mean anything from beating a dude over the head with a baseball bat drilled with rusty nails, chopping him up in tiny pieces, storing his body parts in ziplock bags and mailing them in packages to each of his family members and friends addresses, but also includes that time where you said to a guy "don't mess with me, I have a gun and I know how to use it." These actions are not comparable! Yes, what he did wasn't smart and he should apologize for it. BUT1. This isn't a conversation that is anyone's fucking business to have or know about besides the people involved 2. Louie's movie and standup special and any other public events shouldn't be cancelled over something like this 3. Netflix, FX, Louie's publicist, and anyone else are not "Rape Supporters" by associating with him.
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Post by TOS on Nov 11, 2017 15:00:04 GMT -5
100% agreed.
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Post by deathevokation on Nov 12, 2017 14:20:14 GMT -5
Sorry I didn't mean to present that as a leading question. I just wanted to check to see if we were on the same page. np mate, sorry for misjudging you, I probably unfairly projected some of my previous experiences onto you... It's just that lately I've been dealing with so many instances of aggressive cluelessness when someone asks for evidence (but isn't actually interested in evidence) and wasting sometimes up to a day doing a write up, thinking how I'd convince them, making sure I accurately cite evidence that leads directly back to the horses mouth and linking it in such a way that my conclusions and intentions are communicated as transparently as possible; only for it to get dismissed with a snarky condescending one liner non rebuttal (bonus points for a psychoanalysis) and I get left thinking "seriously, go fuck yourself, there were so many things I could have done in the time I took to respond, you're the reason there is no goodwill in politics, your presence is a netloss on every discussion you take part of and it only serves to exhaust the person you're arguing with." So, although it's not a good thing, I've become the kind of person who becomes suspicious, abuses disclaimers, only proof reads to check for spelling errors and puts in less effort in answering a broad topic since well, if my pet peeve shows it's way into the conversation atleast I know I didn't waste too much time, haha. ;p
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 19:18:10 GMT -5
I'm most happy about George Takei getting outed as a predator. I never liked him, or his fans.
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Post by deathevokation on Nov 13, 2017 0:02:48 GMT -5
Ben Affleck has had a lot of allegations of sexual assault too, I always hated that insincere prick... after all his speaking down on people as if he has some moral highground and his cringeworthy virtue signaling, I guess it's just an act afterall....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 0:14:25 GMT -5
I'm most happy about George Takei getting outed as a predator. I never liked him, or his fans. George Takei has been a talentless clown for a looooong time. He hasn't done shit except be the token Asian dude on Star Trek 80 years ago. Congrats dude, you had 3 fucking lines the entire time and you've been coasting on that shit ever since, way to go. As far as the current Hollywood debacle is concerned, as it relates to guys like Spacey and Takei, I think a lot of left-wingers are going to(and some have already have begun to)circle the wagons in order to draw criticism away from the sacred cow of homosexuality. I do think that a big part of the male homosexual community and the gay lifestyle does and always has revolved around the taboo of older men with much young boys. This is something that presents itself over and over and over again. Entire porn sites are devoted to this practice. Guys in all walks of life get busted for it all the time, and a huge portion of gay men claim that their first sexual experience was with an older man. Yet we are told that this is not at all what being gay is about and those are .000001% of gays and the whole LGBTQ+LMNOP movement shouldn't be judged by these outliers, but I don't buy it frankly. Sorry. I think for thousands of years, a big part of gay male sex that was regularly practiced dealt with using 11-15 year-old boys as sex objects, whether they liked it or not. To be fair though, human sexuality in general hasn't exactly been nice and pleasant throughout the eras, straight, gay, or otherwise. Rape wasn't really an issue until relatively recently in human history. I guess we are all a bit barbaric.
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Post by GRUG on Nov 13, 2017 0:15:28 GMT -5
I dislike these Hollyweirdos.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 5:15:12 GMT -5
The "establishment" in the UK is starting to be hit by a similar phenomenon. A few historic cases like Jimmy Saville are old news already, but now more and more victims are talking amongst themselves, highlighting a range of active media, political and other people. I suspect something of a sexual harassment awakening is underway and imagine this is going to get much bigger yet. Broadly speaking this has to be a good thing, although I'm sure there will be specific cases where the trial by (social) media process will be used inappropriately.
People will be people, though, so nothing is sacred.
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Post by 40oz on Nov 13, 2017 8:33:16 GMT -5
George Takei has been a talentless clown for a looooong time. He hasn't done shit except be the token Asian dude on Star Trek 80 years ago. Congrats dude, you had 3 fucking lines the entire time and you've been coasting on that shit ever since, way to go. Haha I don't understand it either. I think he had some funny jokes on Howard Stern or something. I don't get what is so interesting about him. I never got into Star Trek though. As far as the current Hollywood debacle is concerned, as it relates to guys like Spacey and Takei, I think a lot of left-wingers are going to(and some have already have begun to)circle the wagons in order to draw criticism away from the sacred cow of homosexuality. I can't find specific evidence of this, but it certainly feels that way in some way or another. There has certainly been other situations where people get fired up about one thing but make an exception for another. I do think that a big part of the male homosexual community and the gay lifestyle does and always has revolved around the taboo of older men with much young boys. This is something that presents itself over and over and over again. Entire porn sites are devoted to this practice. Guys in all walks of life get busted for it all the time, and a huge portion of gay men claim that their first sexual experience was with an older man. Yet we are told that this is not at all what being gay is about and those are .000001% of gays and the whole LGBTQ+LMNOP movement shouldn't be judged by these outliers, but I don't buy it frankly. Sorry. I think for thousands of years, a big part of gay male sex that was regularly practiced dealt with using 11-15 year-old boys as sex objects, whether they liked it or not. I'm not sure I'm following you here. I've worked with a few gay men, but I didn't talk to them about their first gay experience, so I'm not so sure. I've heard about evidence about how the most recent convicted pedophiles were molested as children, I don't know for sure if it's the same with gay people though. What kind of porn are you referring to? Last two times I visited pornhub, there was a lot of cousin/stepsister/stepmom themed stuff in the popular highlights which was really weird. I haven't found anything related to underage children. I can't bring myself to look for it though. That's just 2dark4me. Without a doubt, there's some fucked up stuff that happened in history. I'm not sure I understand what you mean about it being relevant to today's society though. Please note I'm not trying to butcher you here. I'm keeping an open mind.
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