good-old
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Post by good-old on Jul 20, 2021 10:07:26 GMT -5
That's gonna happen to me too, if someone there searches around for my posts on this forum.
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dn
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the motherfucking darknation
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Post by dn on Jul 20, 2021 10:38:52 GMT -5
fucking hell, Lüt has risen. Next thing you'll tell me that someone pulled deadnail's head out of cryo.
Tho I kinda hope deadnail is perma-gone, tbh. He'd shit magma if he had lived to see how they massacred our boy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 10:46:27 GMT -5
Fucking imgur doesn't let me watch images even with javascript on. Can someone describe the content of image? I also wasn't lurking on DW long enough to remember who the hell Lüt and deadnail are.
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40oz
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Post by 40oz on Jul 20, 2021 11:26:54 GMT -5
Fucking imgur doesn't let me watch images even with javascript on. Can someone describe the content of image? A snip of ZDoom.org forums notifying wereknight that they're permanently banned.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 11:39:51 GMT -5
40oz, @wereknight I see I was right to never have an account there on zdoom.org. Once I move abroad, I will probably get an account on a Russian forum. There is a bit strict moderation though (offtopic is discouraged, there is a doom rate - a ratio of doom-related posts against all posts) but there are quite specific written rules, and discrimination is not tolerated, for example, there are transgendered people there and staff doesn't let others insult them. This not necessary means they are fond of what's going in the West, our Russian understanding of equality - for those who affirm it - is that your destiny should not be predicated by your birth and other circumstances beyond your control. This notion of equality is not compatible with identity politics of any kind, ditto with "woke" movement. Thus it makes Russian forum an environment it makes sense for me to be in, although it sucks I made an enemy of memfis (didn't originally intend to, but he kept painting me a creepy man for whatever reason),but it is in Russian jurisdiction and I stay the hell out of Russian segment so as to not get bullshit charges. Only thing that sucks is not having zdoom.org account means I can't contribute to DBK projects since they have mostly left this forum.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 12:03:51 GMT -5
All 5 fans of Heretic will be delighted I'm sure One of the biggest slogs I've ever played, idk what y'all see in it Yeah, IMO Heretic has an abundance of content in it already with it's 6 episodes. Once you've played the first couple episodes you pretty much get the gist of it. The last couple episodes are basically plutonia in heretic form. Agreed about base content, but I think the first THREE episodes are gold, and bosses of each episode are much cooler than in Doom I or even the penultimate in Doom II. You have not truly experienced it unless you played it on the fifth difficulty, "Black Plague..." which is like Nightmare! without the respawn (and -respawn parameter can be added in console for kicks, that might be brutal tho). That's because D'Sparil kicks your fucking ass on that difficulty, especially when played without fucking mouselook. I don't even remember if I managed to bit him on that. The last couple episodes can be ignored even moreso than Plutonia. I am not a big fan of Plutonia, actually, because not every level is memorable but there are memorable levels. By comparison, the expansion episodes of Heretic are meh. Also the gameplay in Heretic is not boring. The problem with the game is that is taxing on level designer - too many monsters with overlapping roles, not enough purely distinct monsters, nothing like the Arch-Vile and the Revenant. At least we got a flying manc-wannabe, and he is not slow (Disciples of D'sparil) and also can ghost in/out, especially on Black Plague they are really good at dodging your projectiles by ghosting and letting them through without damage. If you wish for a finely-crafted Heretic experience that is not a modern cliche slaughterfest-lite, there is this gem: www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/heretic/m-o/mdomain1 I managed to complete it on Black Plague, selecting that difficulty also helped me beat it without cheating because I wanted to bailed out, but cheats are disabled like in Nightmare!, so I toughed it out, and it was cool! You'll find a lot of interesting setups there. Although if you choose Black Plague, you'll have to play with saves, because there are ghost undead warrors in a lot of closets and other types of close quarters xD but the fire gargoyle setup over a lite damaging liquid with a wind and the megaarmor provided, or circlestrafing non-stop blasting the phoenix rod powered into flamethrower to make roast meat out of hellish pack of monsters surrounding you from every side, using tomed gauntlets in melee against the Maulotaur after you killed the other one with tomed serpent's staff and invulnerability in a scenario with two of them, ... well, there is simply a lot of cool stuff there. And while it plays on "Maulotaur and Iron Lich" in every level trope like the last two episodes of Heretic with an Expansion, it does it much better so it actually works. In fact, the end of most level pits Maulotaurs and Iron Liches in all different height combinations so either side is given a premediated victory, it's like a setup with Cyberdemon infighting Spiderdemon and tons of variations in which one side consistently wins over the other, but Maulotaur is much cooler than Cyberdemon, and Iron Lich is cooler than Spider or the Baron. Fuck, some monsters from Heretic I would like to see in Doom: Iron Lich, Disciples of D'Sparil, D'Sparil himself (both forms), both gargoyles and Weredragon (like a mobile earthbound cacodemon, or an overgrown pinkie-like with a missile attack). Hell, Weredragon could replace pinkie for fuck's sake (melee-only sucks in Doom), since he is big and blocky and fast, Spectres could also be based of it, would be really creepy. Iron Lich is better than Baron. Disciples of D'Sparil are Mancubi-like but not a replacement, but really like a monster unparalled in Doom totally.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 12:05:34 GMT -5
Oh, and a fucking Maulotaur to go with the Cyberdemon, not as a replacement. Cause he is natural Doomy looking, a Hell Smith and a butt fucker.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 12:16:39 GMT -5
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Post by dr_st on Jul 20, 2021 15:56:58 GMT -5
I actually never completed all of Heretic episodes (well, except once with cheats). I guess you all are right - it just drags and drags.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 17:31:46 GMT -5
Doom is just a better platform, as the guns and hellspawn in it already works effortlessly in maps that resemble real world locations, fantasy locations, different time periods, etc. Heretic is more thematically 'closed' than Doom is in that there isn't really a lot of room for innovation from a level design standpoint. At least not without coming up with an entirely new set of textures. Even then, there are limitations. I dont think you could make a an equally good AUGER;ZENITH in heretic even if we made 36 Heretic projects before it. I feel like it's not very fair or even logical to compare Heretic to Doom like that, the whole "Heretic is just Doom but fantasy" should be nothing more than a bad absurd joke. Heretic clearly has various elements that Doom doesn't like the whole inventory system, the tome of power (and how the game is balanced around it), flight, fully projectile based enemies, different damage types (physical and magical), and others that even if tried to adapt into Doom would prove to be as much effort as just making a whole new game at that point, and wouldn't even be recognizable as Doom anymore. Heretic has the potential to be an extremely fun bullet hellish FPS with proper bosses, more nuanced and complex progression, would probably benefit a lot more from advanced formats with increased verticality, and all of it is even adaptable to a hub format given you iron out the bad things about Heretic to make that a more enjoyable long term experience (just look at Faithless, it's just what i'm describing, and it's one of the best things i've played in recent years in general). Doom has barely ever been put in a (at least continuous) hub format because it's exactly just about the short term progression, since it doesn't allow for long term progression unlike Heretic. As for the theme: even if it just remained the same without any projects to turn the whole serpent riders and dark fantasy setting on its head, there's nothing wrong about that. I mean, look at Quake: most Quake mappers seem to be very serious about keeping the same setting and general look of the original game to this very day (with very few exceptions), yet you can still see a lot of visual variety in them. This is of course, assuming that it has to stay the same, and it obviously doesn't! tl;dr: Heretic isn't just a fantasy Doom clone ya nerd
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 17:57:37 GMT -5
Heretic also had no inescapable (damaging) pits. Every pit you can fall to is escapable. The wand is also more useful than a pistol. Actually, there are many sane design decisions in Heretic that stock Doom lacks, and which will only appear in pwads later, whereas Heretic designers had them to begin with.
And, well, music. Heretic's music is way superior to Doom's (once again comparing the iwads).
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deadnail
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Post by deadnail on Jul 20, 2021 21:46:38 GMT -5
fucking hell, Lüt has risen. Next thing you'll tell me that someone pulled deadnail's head out of cryo. Tho I kinda hope deadnail is perma-gone, tbh. He'd shit magma if he had lived to see how they massacred our boy. you should be careful what you wish for. i'm still around, dwvets is still a thing. typically i make a new account/email every time i contribute something, i think i have 3 or 4 by now on the zdoom forums. something you wanna know?
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Post by 40oz on Jul 20, 2021 21:58:10 GMT -5
mother of god
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dn
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the motherfucking darknation
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Post by dn on Jul 20, 2021 22:06:50 GMT -5
Witness. I speak, and terrible demons of the ancient netherworld rise from their slumber, and answer my call.
Nothing I need to know, other than you are well and in health my man. Tell the vets I was asking for them.
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deadnail
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Post by deadnail on Jul 20, 2021 22:18:14 GMT -5
hey bro, i love your maps. i hate doom 5 so viscerally i've actually put about 2500 hours into gzdoom since it dribbled out of hugo and that includes all the dbp's. on average, great shit. Witness. I speak, and terrible demons of the ancient netherworld rise from their slumber, and answer my call. Nothing I need to know, other than you are well and in health my man. Tell the vets I was asking for them. i mean well is sorta relative, but i do like to keep things positive nowadays use3d is the one who beetlejuiced me, btw, he's been lurking here for years and i'm shaming him for his lack of gumption.
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dn
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Post by dn on Jul 20, 2021 22:29:27 GMT -5
heh. deadnail finds his Zen, the physical world implodes into literal wet shit. The ironists grin and the buddhists weep.
Also use needs to fucking man up and send me some pm love.
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Post by 40oz on Jul 20, 2021 23:03:43 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 23:52:42 GMT -5
i do like to keep things positive nowadays Just like everyone here. Although life is not that generous in terms of positive things...
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deadnail
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Post by deadnail on Jul 21, 2021 2:43:15 GMT -5
soundtrack for this post: deadnail thanks dude that means a lot i love map12 of augur zenith too, for ten minutes that shit made me feel like a teenager grabbing wads off of an ftp again. Just like everyone here. Although life is not that generous in terms of positive things... hard disagree. everyone's main problem in a western country is their perspective. not every place you could have been is equal, nothing is equal, five brothers raised in the same household will not have equity of outcome. it's a preposterous goal, and dude like 30% of the population is hell bent on throwing the bill of rights into a paper shredder because they're sincerely dumb enough to believe this utopian ass bullshit nonsense. how is that not generous? i get reminded of this a few times a day looking at the news and i'm laughing the entire time, since they chased all the comedians away with pitchforks and torches and comedy specials are now just lesbians talking about varicose vein removal operations i have to find a chuckle somewhere goddammit. everyone's dead or gone, i don't have to put up with anyone's fucking bullshit. i have a cake job, my bills are paid, marijuana vastly superior to dispensary offerings is not only abundant, but due to my current arrangement, up to my eyeballs free. i can push a fuckin button on my phone, and i have a fuckin bacon cheeseburger at my door in 40 minutes. i don't even have to talk to anyone if i don't feel like getting dressed, just leave the pork at the door. almost the entirely of all government agencies have been entirely usurped by a cult comprised of sociopathic wife beaters educated into believing that reality isn't humanly perceptible to a meaningful accuracy anyway, nothing's really real nothing matters fuck it just seize control by any means necessary, surely blind, planless attempt #43 won't end in 5-40% of the population bulldozed into ditches exactly like attempts #1-42 throughout the last 100 years of history. why would that happen? and this all stems from child rapists and femcel hamplanets who have just asserted themselves to be able to divine and proscribe reality without the need for facts or supporting scientific data. if you're not laughing your ass off at how fucking retarded the entire world is you're too close to it. step back far enough to point at it. spoiler alert btw my bad.
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Lüt
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Post by Lüt on Jul 21, 2021 9:48:08 GMT -5
fucking hell, Lüt has risen. It's something I do every few years. You should feel ecstatic! Full of glee, overflowing with delight! Abounding in exuberance and jumping for joy! Cheerful, merry, and jubilant! On top of the world, over the moon, and thrilled to be alive in such a tremendously fabulous and wonderfully blessed time! hey bro, i love your maps. Pffft, I'll have you know I've started more maps than he's ever finished. everyone's main problem in a western country is their perspective. Russia ain't in the west, you hockenplatz.
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Post by 40oz on Jul 21, 2021 9:59:10 GMT -5
Pffft, I'll have you know I've started more maps than he's ever finished. Would you like any help? Also hi
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Post by deathevokation on Jul 21, 2021 10:39:55 GMT -5
they ban everyone who posts in the Kiwi Farms threads iirc.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 12:01:59 GMT -5
How predictable of them.
But here's a catch, I was banned before ending up on farms. Raises a lot of questions.
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good-old
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Post by good-old on Jul 21, 2021 12:59:41 GMT -5
Wooooah. Who would've expected a DW admin here. Hope you don't delete your account. they ban everyone who posts in the Kiwi Farms threads iirc. Kinda weird they don't ban anybody who posts here, lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 13:23:29 GMT -5
@wereknight, if I was a westerner, surely would have been on Kiwi Farms by now. Wondering what got you there, though (since you are fellow Russian). Was it in fact the ban bullshit? deadnail, you talk straight. I like it. Sorry for not knowing who you were, your post about "equity of income", "chasing comedians away with pitchforks" and the shit was fucking cool. The real wokeness rather than that mistaken movement that calls itself "woke", cause your eyes are open while theirs are shut. Lüt, about time someone like you came here. Few on DW would be that upfront. !!! We'll make a few sacrifices to Satan for the glory of undead!!!
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