MegaPancakeStrategist
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Post by MegaPancakeStrategist on Jun 6, 2021 12:32:07 GMT -5
Well that sure was a sobering reminder of why I didn't want to hang out there. At least there's a larger audience to shitpost to there.
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good-old
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Post by good-old on Jun 6, 2021 12:37:47 GMT -5
Good to know I'm not the only persons who dislikes Arlene. I remember her removing a meme from a discord server just because she didn't like it. Similar stuff on DW, as expected.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 13:39:32 GMT -5
Wow, a mod with anti-lockdown statement! Gotta play that, cause it seems to promote views I sincerely agree with. I hope Impie didn't censor too much as a reaction to that thread, it is useless to compromise your opinions. He should learn to be more defiant, anything written on the forums is no indicator of how many people are secretly enjoying it / agreeing with its views. It is the silent observers that matter, not other forum users.
As a sidenote: I used to consider rd a cool person, but their statement closing the thread is absolute garbage. Granted, I almost never visit doomworld nowadays, so why should I care. At this time I don't really have positive/negative bias towards any specific DW users - DW is just gone from my radar, from the spotlight of my internet.
... referred to rd as them as I can't be bothered to look up what their current gender identity, if any, is. I support respecting person's declared identity even if that person is absolute dork.
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xeepeep
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Post by xeepeep on Jun 6, 2021 14:04:23 GMT -5
Magic mushroom man is probably the most hilarious poster on doomworld since crazyflyingdonut. That guy lmao, part of me feels like it's a troll but it's just too much.
Also LMFAO at banning the guy for making a mod with whose message the moderators disagree with. He probably should've just kept silent though, literally no point in arguing with scuba steve, dew and their butt buddies.
Arlene's a dope girl tho
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 14:20:56 GMT -5
Well, he is magic mushroom man, and I remember he made appearance on this forum some time ago, but didn't like the place too much. As for keeping silent, no. That's actually good PR. Somebody should tell him about this place though. It should be possible to reply in his blog, somebody is already trying to shit on him anonymously by the way, thread: mikestoybox.net/#comment-131485 |
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Post by scubasteve on Jun 6, 2021 15:06:36 GMT -5
Scubasteve [...] of course. If someone didn't want me to talk about politics, they should have avoided political topics in their wad. |
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Post by 40oz on Jun 6, 2021 16:45:25 GMT -5
Scubasteve [...] of course. If someone didn't want me to talk about politics, they should have avoided political topics in their wad. What the fuck is the point of banning people and locking threads at doomworld if you're just gonna come here and talk about it on my forum anyway? |
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Post by scubasteve on Jun 6, 2021 17:35:56 GMT -5
Apologies, I thought this was a public forum.
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xeepeep
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Post by xeepeep on Jun 6, 2021 18:13:02 GMT -5
Same could be said about... uh, never mind.
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40oz
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Post by 40oz on Jun 6, 2021 18:28:24 GMT -5
I'm not telling you what you can and can't do. I'm asking. What do you think the point is?
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Post by scubasteve on Jun 6, 2021 18:35:24 GMT -5
Well... the events from the DWF were brought up in this thread, so I decided to continue the conversation here. Do you honestly believe I'm a moderator?
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NuMetalManiak
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Post by NuMetalManiak on Jun 6, 2021 19:02:21 GMT -5
Most of the previous DW mods are no longer active, replacements have been needed for a long time. You're kinda right and kinda wrong. Most of the previous mods are actually active, the only ones I can think of who are inactive on the forums in general are people like AirRaid and whoever used to apparently moderate the now-dead Doomworld news subforum. Many of the other ones who've been around are still active, even though their posting isn't as prominent as before. By just observing the actions and even inactions of the newer moderators I can easily see where their problem areas actually are. If any of them read this let them know that I can give them advice on how to improve their moderation in PM if needed. |
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Post by 40oz on Jun 6, 2021 22:08:30 GMT -5
You're unique and uninfluenced opinions that you thought up and vocalized in the doomworld thread all by yourself align exactly with the mods justification for banning the person and locking his project thread. Let's just accept that as it is with no further questioning.
Makes me wonder what prompted you to continue the conversation here after the DW mods locked it? Are you questioning the authority of the mods there? Why would you do that? Arent they good at what they do? It seems like you've always been on the same page as them up until now. What changed?
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Post by scubasteve on Jun 6, 2021 22:30:26 GMT -5
Because someone mentioned me by name? What are you not getting here?
The point is, when you insert a ham-fisted political statement in your wad, don't cry when people make it political. Suppose Super Sonic Doom has a cutscene where the player stomps on a demon then turns to the camera and says "And the Jews control the world's banking system." Impie knew exactly what he was doing and couldn't help himself... he took an adorable mod and shoehorned in some stupid political commentary about COVID lockdowns. If you're going to inject politics, make a real statement or don't do it at all... it's not something you can half-ass. The dialog is so cringe-worthy that you simply stop paying attention to the game for brief moments as some anime girl opines about the "Big Bad Governor." He fucked around and found himself banned from ZDoom Forums... then kept fucking around only to find himself banned from the Doomworld forums. I don't have to agree or disagree with it, but Impie knew damn well what got him kicked off one forum and was simply incapable of playing by the established rules.
It's a shame because I really enjoy Dynamite Duchess, but Impie wanted to have a political conversation instead of a Doom one... so I obliged.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 22:31:54 GMT -5
At this point I'm not even sure if calling them moderators is right since the term "moderator" would imply to be impartial, at least to some extent, but we learned from this and past incidents that they don't even try do that. THIS. I for one am glad this happened, because otherwise I wouldn't have known about Impie or any of his projects. Now I'm his biggest fan, because he's managed to piss off the libtards and shims over at Doomworld. If you read this Impie, keep up the good work!!! |
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Post by Washing Machine Enthusiasts on Jun 7, 2021 0:36:14 GMT -5
Because someone mentioned me by name? It's a relief to know I'm not the only one here to habitually Google his own username. |
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good-old
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18 year old dumb kid.
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Post by good-old on Jun 7, 2021 0:46:07 GMT -5
By just observing the actions and even inactions of the newer moderators I can easily see where their problem areas actually are. If any of them read this let them know that I can give them advice on how to improve their moderation in PM if needed. You dun goofed if you think they'll accept/believe they have problems in their moderation. |
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good-old
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18 year old dumb kid.
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Post by good-old on Jun 7, 2021 0:46:49 GMT -5
Because someone mentioned me by name? It's a relief to know I'm not the only one here to habitually Google his own username. LMFAOOO I DO TOO |
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Post by sosh on Jun 7, 2021 1:21:35 GMT -5
From overreaction to mod's premise it seems like Impie should have used curfew and occupation/riots as a "stay at home, you faggots" plot point.
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Post by optimus on Jun 7, 2021 5:48:06 GMT -5
That was kinda mild in my opinion, to have a cute anime girl arguing about the lockdowns in a fictional setting. Yes, it might seem insidious to those who get too political about it. I am a bit annoyed of how the covid was so fast politicized. I am wearing a mask only when it's required and I did get vaccinated, but I never thought of making selfies (I fucking hate the virtue signalling, especially when people in a livestream alone in their room still wear the masks) and I understand half people are very pro and others very frustrated with the lockdowns. What if you could have a WAD with two characters, one is pissed of with the lockdowns and one is trying to enforce them and fight the covid viruses? What about a WAD where you can take either of the roles, depending on your political or general stance? Now that would be interesting to play  I've just seen the author has done some more edgy mods than the one everybody is freaking about right now. He did one attacking BLM with a tank I think. I understand his frustration, I feel the same about how BLM is portrayed only as peaceful but there is a lot of radical sentiment and destruction in it, but would be very reluctant to make such a mod anyway. It's definitely gonna piss some people and rightly so. But the cute anime girl fighting lockdowns, ok.. that's mild. p.s. Meanwhile I realized the author has done a lot of work. I have played the Robocop, Slaughterhouse and Strange Aeons at different times and loved all of them and didn't realized they were all made by the same exact author. Wow! And there much more interesting WADs to play on his list. He is such a creative force, I am gonna check more of his work. |
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Post by 40oz on Jun 7, 2021 10:45:30 GMT -5
Because someone mentioned me by name? What are you not getting here? The point is, when you insert a ham-fisted political statement in your wad, don't cry when people make it political. Suppose Super Sonic Doom has a cutscene where the player stomps on a demon then turns to the camera and says "And the Jews control the world's banking system." Impie knew exactly what he was doing and couldn't help himself... he took an adorable mod and shoehorned in some stupid political commentary about COVID lockdowns. If you're going to inject politics, make a real statement or don't do it at all... it's not something you can half-ass. The dialog is so cringe-worthy that you simply stop paying attention to the game for brief moments as some anime girl opines about the "Big Bad Governor." He fucked around and found himself banned from ZDoom Forums... then kept fucking around only to find himself banned from the Doomworld forums. I don't have to agree or disagree with it, but Impie knew damn well what got him kicked off one forum and was simply incapable of playing by the established rules. It's a shame because I really enjoy Dynamite Duchess, but Impie wanted to have a political conversation instead of a Doom one... so I obliged. In Action Doom 2 , you go to a gay night club in a drunken stupor to beat up the gay men there as mandatory progress to move forward in the game. (Not something I really wanna be thinking about on pride month, honestly...) It's not something i really want to do in a doom mod, but I do like the comic book streets of rage aesthetic and I can put my attention on that stuff instead to just get through this awkward part in the game and still have a good time. You may not actually hate gay people, or have since changed your views since then, and that's good. But nevertheless, whatever influenced you to make that section in your doom mod was fuel for your creative expression. If you hadn't made that section, the mod would be significantly lessened in content, and you'd have to either skip the section and/or create something else that called on you to make it instead. I can't remember where I saw this but I think I read in a post that you've owned the mistake of portraying gay people as the enemy in your mod. But nobody had to fuckin ban you or have your mod ripped to shreds and denied a project thread to discuss it for you to learn that lesson. You heard the feedback, and you changed. It was a different time, and there's a timestamp on the release. You know you had bigoted thoughts then that you don't have now. That's progress, and that's good. Like it or not, Impie's perspective on current world politics is fuel for his work. It's a lot easier to make some stupid shitpost about how masks are oppression or some shit, but he did the work of making an interactive playable fictional world around it. That's his art. You don't have to like it. It's just not for you. But instead of talking about the project on the project thread, you signal the unpleasant politics of it along with other legacy doomworld members who probably can't enjoy doom unless it is communicating to them a progressive message they want to hear. Do you think this is the natural order of things? That people should deserve worse treatment than you on art you spent a lot of time and energy creating? It's his world, let him figure it out on his own. Impie is not being paid to promote anti-lockdown stuff. He doesn't work for Fox News or some shit. The current events occupy his mind, and he's channeling it in his artistic expression. It's his art that he makes for free as a doom fan for other doom fans. If you have to consume the art as a political pundit whose actions are dictated by the presence of political commentary and not as a doom fan, then you for sure banned Impie and locked his thread yourself without even having been a moderator. You've been in doomworld since the early days, and we talk about their shit moderators in this thread all the time, you don't get to play plausible deniability at this point. |
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Post by optimus on Jun 7, 2021 11:00:08 GMT -5
Oh god, I fucking hate it. I was posting on an innocent thread of someone showing photos of his dirty apartment and now I am locked out. Or maybe the whole thread is locked out for everyone? I look at another thread which is ironically called "122066-this-forum-is-about-to-become-the-only-true-dedicated-doom-forum" and it's closed. What are these people doing? Do they become ResetEra? Where will I post now the photos of my apartment to compare who is the most sloth? I made a collage and was about to post and to my surprise.. wtf?
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Post by optimus on Jun 7, 2021 11:18:13 GMT -5
I don't even think that the gay scene in Action Doom 2 was bad. But ok, if the creator regretted it, I won't judge him. But I will argument about it. That was my favorite boss fight. Did I ever had hostile feelings when I was beating them? No. They were just sprites and I think their design was cool, and with the accompanying music! You might say I might not feel insulted but a gay guy playing the game will feel otherwise? But this whole thing doesn't make sense. These were the enemies, they were criminals. Gays cannot be criminals? What about the women in the game? Should we remove the women? Keep only the men because that's the only acceptable villain? Oh, what about the black men? I know there were some. The middle aged fat working class guys (I think there were some later)? Ageist/Sizeist/Classist? The asians and ninjas later? Racist? Or what about you should never hit a woman even if she attacks you in the game? Haha,. I am thinking of a parody where you get a giant red X sign/sound when you try to hit a woman in a beat em up, then it happens again, like "you should never hit a woman under any circumstances",. and surprise surprise, the third time you do it, you have 100 guys coming behind the bushes and beating the crap out of you! It's a shame I am not so good at modding and especially making sprites, else I'd love making a parody like this p.s. Besides that I agree with 40oz's post |
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Post by scubasteve on Jun 7, 2021 13:55:56 GMT -5
You may not actually hate gay people, or have since changed your views since then, and that's good. But nevertheless, whatever influenced you to make that section in your doom mod was fuel for your creative expression. If you hadn't made that section, the mod would be significantly lessened in content, and you'd have to either skip the section and/or create something else that called on you to make it instead. You are 100%, completely on the mark about Action Doom 2... and this is why I try to reach out to "edgy" creators and impart a little wisdom. In hindsight, yeah... it's an extremely tacky segment, but it was started in 2004 and written as a pastiche of beat-em-ups who frequently featured homosexual characters in derogatory ways (Ash, Streets of Rage). Darknation and I have completely different personalities, but the one thing I always respected was his creative writing ability, which is why I wanted him punching up the noire dialog segments. He might have written it, but I never once suggested I didn't approve and it fit with the narrative that was developing. At no point did anyone involved in 2004 say, "This is a bit offensive" but, had someone reached out to me and made the case... I might have actually asked dn to change a line or two. This was 13 years ago. Same-sex marriage wasn't legal in the United States. In 2021, a gaybar beat-em-up segment just won't fly anymore. Things change. I use Action Doom 2 as an example for people like Impie; if you intend to put your work out for public consumption, be willing to alter elements that are culturally offensive... and sometimes that means listening to others and being a bit humble... you don't have to "win" every time and changing some dialog isn't a "loss". If you don't want criticism, keep your project on your hardrive and don't share it with anyone. But what you fucking absolutely cannot do is what Impie did; when someone comments on topical elements in your project, retreat into your shell and yell "haha you stupid fucks, I meant to trigger you all along, bring it!" The one thing I NEVER did, was counter arguments from members about offensive homophobia by saying "Look, stupid, it's a commentary on old games! You're too sensitive." I put my work out for public consumption and I want the most amount of people to play it and enjoy it. Everything doesn't have to be political all the time... you can just make a cutesy Doom mod where you play a girl in a castle with overbearing parents. |
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Post by scubasteve on Jun 7, 2021 14:22:35 GMT -5
You might say I might not feel insulted but a gay guy playing the game will feel otherwise? This is the kicker; there's no uniform, explicit line you can cross. AD2 has women you beat up and no female Doomers have ever suggested this bothers them. Blades of Agony has one female boss whose shirt precariously tears off while she dies. I heard from many female Doomers that this felt offensive. I've found that the line seems to be crossed when you introduce some element of stereotype about a group while simultaneously allowing you to commit violence against them in a game. If AD2 didn't have a literal gay bar and only in passing mentioned the character was gay without saying anything else... and then you had to fight him in the bar... I would guarantee no one would bat an eye... it's only after the introduction of stereotypical elements that it seems video game violence tends to cross the line. Beating up video game women as a standard enemy? No complaints. Beating up strippers in a club? Probably not. Black enemies? Sure. Beating up Black protesters in the streets? Yeah, no, context matters. You literally kill me in the game, but I don't care because I made it. If you make a wad where you beat me up and kill me? Without asking? Yeah, probably not cool. |
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