Doom community happenings

Honestly? You're right. I'll stop, thanks for calling me out.

Why would you think so?

You asked about it.

/me looks at the list of persona non grata.

Sticking joe, kontra et al. in with some of these retards isn't helpful. "Amnesty for all doomers, doom is love" sounds fine as a soundbite, but Jesus, you've put fucking Fiffy in there for a kick off.

REoL was old SA and is fucking cancer. This is before he melted his brain completely and started riding elevators on youtube: he sockpuppeted arguments with himself on newdoom for drama and his primary account died as it lived, in a fucking huge, forum-shattering flamewar. His time on Doomcenter ended even worse, he managed to trigger a fucking SA invasion of the forum and cunted the server. The mass migration from Doomcenter to DW? That was fucking REoL, his retardation managed to scorch the earth so badly that the fucking forum became unlivable.

Sigvatr - who I can appreciate on a professional level - nevertheless cannot be integrated into a functioning society. He's like the Doctor Manhattan of trolls, eventually he will get bored of whatever shit attracted him to the community in the first place and proceed to render the place down to its component atoms in search of elemental Lulzium. It isn't the fact that he spent his spare time mixing jizz and keyboard funk into some unholy soup and eating it: there was also the small matter of Electric Retard, which featured a hundred-foot tall Hitler smearing himself in his own shit and raping children until their bodies split.

Krypto and friends faking demos is an instant ban. The speed-autists keep themselves to themselves in an odd, satellite community in roughly geosynchronous orbit around DW, and the rules there are different because of the very nature of speedrunning. One faked run calls all runs into question: if speedrunning is ever going to be legit, it needs to stamp down on cheaters as hard as humanly possible, and when committing to splicing / faking a run you are fucking running that scam with outright malice as a forethought.

There are legitimate reasons to ban, and I think they can all be summed up with that statement: malice as a forethought. Torm's situation is tricky because it's impossible to prove whether his plagiarism is malice or willful, egotistical retardation: regardless, I think repeated retardation is sin enough to have his e-peen trimmed with a pair of secateurs, but your mileage may vary.

The illegitimate bans (which have been covered ad nauseum elsewhere) do not deserve to be mixed in with the above pantheon of fucking maniacs, and you can generally tell the difference by mapping out the timeline of when that person was banned. And 40 is 50% right in his paranoia: I will tell you right now that yes, there is a fucking cabal at work: I know this because there has *always* been a cabal at DW, the only difference is that now I am not privy to its inner workings.

Don't believe me? Remember the Dark_Revieved pedo shitshow on DW in which I dropped dox on said pedo? I was given those dox by a moderator on DW and told to fucking decapitate the little fucker. Not giving names, but that's the way the place has ALWAYS been run. The difference now is that the assassinations are happening for ideological reasons as well as the petty personal vendettas of old and the mods have dropped the pretense of keeping their own hands clean when they want someone gone.

Very cool. You dont have to unearth that. I can handle connecting the dots myself and people repeatedly telling me im retarded because of it.

Its a personal feeling of mine that the kind of behavior that gets people to act out such as what youve detailed above is driven by some form of pain or suffering theyre going through. I dont think anyone can really be proud of things they do like that. Even when (especially when) they say they are.

Perpetuate love and care for one another and it eventually cleans itself up.

I believe the way doomer boards has grown and changed for the better is a product of people feeling included and cared for. I see doomers as a finite resource, and I cant advocate for people in such a niche interest group drag each other down. If you dont buy it that's fine, but it will show in the way doomer boards grows into a better place for doomers under my leadership.

I just wanna say that 40 definitely doesn't come across as 'deranged' in this thread. His position is quite logical, he has his theory (some people are treated differently on DW) and has provided an example in support of that (the reaction to tormentor's copy-pasting vs. this other guy's). There's nothing in his posts that strikes me as particularly spazzy either.
Although, all that shit about love and caring is weenie garbage; the reason why this board has a good culture is because it doesn't punish masculine behaviour, which in the context of a forum is verbal sparring and competition (vs. the more feminine 'everyone must get along or else' kinda vibe at DW. Note also dn's moderator friend and his underhanded bitch move), and we're all dudes so we can act reasonably naturally. I'm not saying that a feminine culture is necessarily a bad thing, compare eg. MyAquariumClub which is staffed and populated largely by women (so far as I can tell) and has a reasonably healthy board culture, just that it's a bad match for a predominantly male community.

I'd also like to add that the idea that some stupid text file, written by someone other than 40, in some way invalidates 40's wishes for his own maps is dumb. His shit, his rules.

The 32in24 projects were going on for years before this went down and the license they use was well known, there were many prior examples to look for if there was any level of unsureness and indeed being banned from Doomworld does not, afaik, ban you from private messaging people (or simply shooting them a message on Discord or IRC). If 40 specifically wanted to go against that well-established "You MAY reuse" clause present in every 32in24 textfile made before this point, he could have specified that when submitting his map.

Changing "the rules" of what people may do with your map years after release is clearly an act of bad faith. This whole thing is a charade to bolster the point that the Doom community are a bunch of unforgiving dickholes. I just don't get why or how 40 would make that point when the very next words out of his mouth are about how Doomers are precious little flowers who need to be nurtured and coddled. You're literally talking about how dragging others down is bad in the midst of attempting to drag a bunch of people down: those SINNERS who dared to get pissed at Torm for like a day or 2. It isn't a congruent stance.


Just because you say that so matter-of-factly does not automatically make it true. I would not give one single iota of a fuck if someone reused ANY of my creations, because no matter what they do, the original "unbastardized" version is still there unharmed anyway. However, just because I feel that way does not mean each and every modder and mapper will. I'm accounting for the fact that all sensibilities might not be my own, and I also genuinely share the opinion that reusing someone's work that specifically states "don't reuse this" is a pretty shitty thing to do - AKA the whole crux of this conflict from square one.

Granted, there's context, and reuse of other people's work against their will becomes a lot less shitty when you apologize for it an acknowledge the fuck up, but it's still worthy of an "active for 2 days" thread to let people vent and then summarily get over it. The point is this: 40 is trying to use that as some kind of "evidence" against "The Doom community" and it's just hogwash. The apology and reconciliation likely would not have happened without that thread he's using as proof-positive that the community is a ball of shit.


Yep, and you insist that making a thread to state indisputable facts is somehow bad, which I personally think is dumb as fuck. Your insinuation that I'm somehow responsible for those who went too far with the "lambasting" isn't lost on me I assure you. I think we all know where we stand, I just flat-out disagree with you and think your attempt to stuff the "evidence" into a mold (and needlessly throw TMD under the proverbial bus to fit your narrative) is extremely strange.

I'm a forgiving person, not that I think there's any "horrible acts" here to "forgive" in the first place, so anyone who's taking me being pissed off at 40 over this STUPID AS FUCK discussion as evidence that I "hate him" or some other stupid shit is wrong. I'm just frustrated that a person I know to be capable of good faith discussion about this topic is instead choosing to go the route of deliberate obfuscation of the point and weird, haphazard attempts and revising what rights are attached to certain wad releases and all that other crap. The whole faux-outrage this last chunk of the thread is predicated on is bad faith nonsense.

Doomkid

I said a lot in these posts; looking back I shoulda emphasized this better. TMD isnt in any trouble with me and the idea of doomworld holding TMDs feet to the fire the way it happened with torm turns my skin gray. I brought it up because theres plenty 32in24 crew making a stink about Torm's copypasting in the thread when in other circumstances its never been considered a crime punishable by a call to community-wide super-probation. If torm were a friend that you really wanted to see succeed, youd sooner talk to him about using derivative work privately than roll his balls over a cheese grater. (Doomworld's collective way of making an enemy out of him is the cheese grater and torms balls are his contributions to the doom gift economy in this analogy)

Holy shit, what did I miss. Went back a few pages and realized I have no idea who this Tormentor person is, so I guess I'll bow out. Also, playing devil's advocate only works if you have a field on which to play.

Would it still matter 20 years after the release? Even though Tormentor should of given credit, what difference does it make if you do it to someone's WAD as opposed to an IWAD?

It doesn't matter in the big picture but it's not cool. If someone objects to their work being used, you're just plain an asshole if you still do it.

Also for the love of god, it's never ever "should/could/would of", only "have"