Cacowards 2023 Doom's 30th Birthday

American politics and Americans with their shitty 1 dimensional black and white views of politics tear so many fandoms apart and leave gaping holes and doubt where once the credibility of said fandoms were unquestioned.. hell they even tear their families apart over disagreements.. this is not normal behaviour btw..

some slavs also have a nazi complex tbh, never really understood why they like identifying as subhumans. on the other hand russia seems to have inherited roman ethics, which is cool

Ha, I was just thinking of posting that exact same Dead Kennedys song.

Funny some slanderous idiots are calling us nazi punks. I also wanted to post this really good version of Nazi Punks Fuck off where Jello gives a good intro saying it doesn't matter what you look like like, it matters what's in your head, and some people are fascist in the head. The DW staff are really fascist in the head and it applies perfectly to them. Unfortunately I can't find that version on youtube.

I've not touched forum drama for awhile because DOOM drama is embarrassing and I myself have no allegiance to a website, whether that's DW, DB, or /vr/.

I enjoy the cacowards, they're good recommendations, the reviews are lovingly well-written, and I'm grateful I've had a couple wads receive a fair amount of attention by being showcased. I think it's cringe when people cry about X or Y not getting a cacoward, it's a bad look, and I don't understand when outsiders feel the need to crusade on behalf of the DBPs for us. Some DB guys are being pretty cringe in this thread, being spiteful, showing off their power levels, or especially those of you posting chat logs and engaging in your own forms of tattletaling (look at what this person said, ostracize them!).

With that said, it's so tiresome to still hear the word "Nazi" be thrown around willy-nilly. Something I've thought lately is that these types tend to throw that word more often at "imperfect allies" like myself (someone who shares 60% of their values but not 100%) than they do at their political opponents, much less anyone that actually in any way resembles a fascist. I expect that sort of thing from those types by now but it is exhausting that it's still happening. The only thing that possibly resembles bigotry on this site is some of the trans stuff and while I might not personally agree with it, oftentimes I'd rather post somewhere people are allowed to speak their mind without any worry that my post will be deleted, the thread will be shut down, or that I will otherwise be put in time-out. But at the end of the day, even if you're super pro-trans, you should be able to see that these guys are at worst being impolite in misgendering someone, they're not calling for trans genocide like an actual fascist might, they're usually just blowing off steam about something they're not allowed to criticize anywhere else.

If you're upset about naughty words and don't want them said in your community, that's well and good. But when you come into someone else's house and you hear them using language you don't like, understand that it doesn't necessarily make them a hateful person. Sometimes, among friends, I call things "retarded." There's no hate there. I spent around six years working at a group home, taking care of disabled people, befriending them, feeding them, tucking them into bed, wiping their ass, taking them out into the community, teaching them life-skills, loving them, laughing with them, performing mouth-to-mouth CPR and literally saving ones life, et cetera. I'll never forget, there was one person from high school who was pretty vocal about "spread the word to end the word." One time, years after high school, I had taken my client to a restaurant and they were having a bad day, they started spazzing and causing a scene, getting violent, and I had no choice but to restrain them in the middle of the restaurant. I remember seeing this person from high school there and they were rolling their eyes at me as if to say: Why would you even bring that thing out in public? Why don't you just keep them locked up and medicated where people don't have to look at them? And that told me everything I need to know about someone who cares more about words than intentions.

I don't even know why I bother, I don't come out looking good to anyone here- DB gonna be upset about my indifference to DBP's caco-eligibility, DW gonna be upset about my tolerance for intolerance, any anon from /vr/ is just gonna see a dramawhore. 40oz absolutely was great at reigning in the circus and I'm missing that a lot right now.

Edit- This is all I have to say on the subject. Back to DOOM.

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I know I have presented myself in a hostile and strident way. But perhaps I was a bit defensive about being accused of shit I didn't even say or do, which is a direct affront to me and others.

I would like to see you list examples. Because right now it seems like you're just using buzzwords to paint the forum and it's userbase negatively; Which is pretty much liberal bullshit. Not doing yourself any favours.

This sort of points out what may be the underlining issue. I'll be honest that I could care less who does or doesn't win. I don't even have a problem with DW being ran the way it is outside of personal distaste. My biggest issue is the drama and vitriol that fuels the othering and the demonization without any meaningful deceleration. I'm okay with a little cross site jabbing but you'd think we were in a life and death struggle with how worked up people get over it.

In regards to the cacowards It has been made clear that works will be omitted from consideration for reasons outside of the work itself. Specifically social considerations. If it was clearly defined what would exclude a work from consideration that would at least cut down on some of the speculation and drama. Without a clearly defined restrictions this sort of speculation, rumors or whatever will be a specter hanging over it. My advice to those running the awards would be to clearly define such things in the future. To think about the limits you wish to have and articulate them in a way that is clear for all. It would be a benefit to you and others. Certainly won't fix everything but I think it would be a step to cool down at least some of the BS. Probably won't happen but I've said my piece.

ah thx, now i see where this originates from. zdoom wiki from what i have heard is quite outdated and unmoderated, with plenty of dubious claims even if in this case the edit dates to daniel himself from 2009. still like i said given neodoom is featured at the cacowards2023 i guess there was no controversy with the author and the cacowards specifically even if some stuff may have happened elsewhere on the forum. i do find the neodoom music weird since half of is midi, but featuring it for this music special made sense to me given not many wads even now rely on nonmidi music files.

that is fair, altho daniel's own edit presents it as a doubtful thing, and also with the vixens being the way they were i'm not surprised many people thought it was not good. however apparently a patch that removes the custom monsters has since been released, if i boot up zandronum again i'll be sure to give that a shot since i do agree the wad can be pretty astonishing in many ways. i honestly recommend people here to play it too because it still has some of the best custom texture use i recall in a megawad.