You banned in doomworld?

Amazing how this thread went from being about TOD's ban went 8 pages of tangenting from that on a pride project, hypocrisy on DW members (this one has been a thing so idc), and then to bad parenting.

A. Parents need to be dictators (yeah I said the d word) to their children and to tell them "no" to things from time to time, either because of finances or for the safety of kids. And also not to be the kid's "friend".

B. Proper parents do parental supervision correctly. Aside from limits above, the best case would be not to give the kid electronics until they are properly ready (unfortunately in 2024 you rarely see a kid without an electronic device nowadays, they are NOT limiting device usage and it's creating an addiction).

C. Some people are absolutely not ready to be parents. Finance-wise, social-wise, any-wise. If they're fanatics of something, I REALLY don't want them to produce a child, cause they will pull all that influence onto their child and fuck them up multiple ways. And yes, this INCLUDES transitioning children. I'm against it. Kids DO NOT KNOW anything about gender in their early years of life! Both parents AND teachers need to just teach the kid things that they must learn slowly and methodically and let the kid's brains develop where they can make a life-changing decision before they go out on their own on anything.

D. Key is that it's non-critical.

E. Trans people (as well as all others on the pride spectrum) are not being actively genocided in the Americas or Europe. The fighters of "trans genocide" will have to do their fighting in the areas where it's actively persecuted (and in that case, good luck, considering how stringent THOSE governments are).

F. Communities that ban any ideologies (even Super Straight) are by nature NOT inclusive communities. Some owners of these communities actually understand this. Most LGBT+ people AND most straight people also DO get along in real life, usually due to already being IRL friends, but this kind of behavior isn't as reflective online as it seems and gives off the unfortunate that the LGBT+ and straights are at war. And then the ugly people on either side ruin things IRL and make good-natured people on BOTH sides hate these collective uglies for ruining their image and their friends' images.

G. CWolf needs to calm the fuck down and stop ban-evading.

Did I miss anything?

This response is ret... Mentally challenged. This is called generalization and there was zero reason for you to respond to him other than 'hey, look at me! I hate gays!' which is ok by itself, but doesn't contribute anything to the conservation and looks like a shitty self-insert. Everyone here except Xeeptard writes long ass posts, some of which are fun to read and provide actual arguments and stuff. You look like a 10 year old who tries to barge into a conversation between adults.
Learn to read the room.

Having insane parents would be the source of a wealth of different issues. Enacting provisions against gender-affirming healthcare of all ages would neither exacerbate nor solve this. Having no access to this healthcare wouldn't shape insane parents into being less insane. This provision avoids the stated problem entirely by selecting for a specific subset within insane parents, and collaterally harming gender nonconforming people who are perfectly capable parents.



I don't. No one has said this yet, but if anyone in this thread wants to propose that, even as a child, they had to be steered into believing they were straight and/or the gender that aligns with their biological sex against the suggestions of external forces are completely full of shit.

Anyone you know who has kids will tell you that having kids is difficult. Sometimes within months of being alive, babies will show a refusal to comply. It takes enormous effort to convince children to submit to the concepts of hard work paying off, or the necessity of attending institutionalized learning facilities. Neither you (back when you were a child), nor todays children were ever just blank slates that lacked introspection and forfeited their agency to understand who they are.



What are you quoting here?

Yes, the human mind is extraordinarily malleable in some ways due to environment, particularly children. After all, children are often taught to believe in things such as santa claus and the easter bunny and wholeheartedly do to a point. Children also take on traits and behaviors from what they are exposed to. Anyone around kids who spend too much time with social media can attest to that. The unreliable nature of how our brains are essentially fabricating a facsimile of the reality that surrounds us is actually pretty wild.

There are certainly people who have been led to believe they were trans due to social pressures. Countless firsthand accounts of this. I do not recall any instance I've seen where that pressure came from parents though. Mostly internet communities. I'm sure there are cases as I'm sure there are parents that legitimately believe queer theory is true. There are also plenty of celebrities who are publicly raising their young children as trans so I suspect we will be seeing if a substantial number of such instances pan out in a similar manner to all the detrans stories victims are currently sharing. I have my suspicions.

Where the science is concerned, particularly on the actual trans issue things are fairly grey. This comes to our limited understanding of the human brain. There have been studies that show that the brains of trans identifying youth, post puberty exhibit natural similarities and behavior to the gender they identify with while results pre puberty were inconclusive. I don't know if the science of brain development has been settled toward nature or nurture yet. 

EDIT: And just for the farcical notion of being on topic in this thread, I was banned from dw once for saying I support Elon Musk because I thought it was funny that he trolled Hillary Clinton on twitter after he bought it. Of course this was twisted into me being a filthy no good bigot.

so, if removing some freedom is genocide, then we should stop genociding murderers and thieves! i can't believe that our inclusive society wants to eradicate those species from the face of Earth! we should stop this!

From the current science even that's a stretch. Measurable benefits have been pretty much nil out of the more current studies when it comes to children, which is why most European nations are backing off.

My belief is that treating people in the doom community as lesser than by their sexual/romantic orientation or gender identity so that they eventually get bullied out (or more likely, bored out) of the community is bad for doom.

I would personally feel like an asshole for inviting people from potentially targetted groups to participate in the doom community if they have to share it with people who are so transparently fearful of losing their superiority in this fandom. You should all be able to get along on the foundation of liking Doom. Theres no reason why who youre attracted to or what your gender identity is should interfere with that. None of it is contingent on liking, playing, modding, or talking about the game.

I cant make sense out of how oblivious you and others are to the state of the doom community and how much enjoyment you suck out of it to listen to you guys talk about the lives of people you obviously have never met or would have any interest in being friends with based on what you post here.

Every time i have to debate this topic i feel like im being persuaded to be disgusted by people who want to be a part of the doom community. It feels like its hinging on a foundational need to be mean to people and its alarming how distressing it appears for people here when they cant win my cooperation in this mission.

Has this not yet been communicated in any capacity? It really makes no sense as mutual participants in the doom community why this is so difficult to accept.

Personally I don't mind their participation in general, what I mind is their insistence on making their deviancy a public thing and parading it in every opportunity they get.

I also resent their use of the rainbow - this is a symbol that signifies a pact God made with Noah in the old testament promising that he will not destroy humanity with another flood. It's like these tards are openly mocking God.
Weather (lol) you believe in that or not, there's no legitimate grounds for them to use the symbol. This is worse than so-called ''cultural appropriation''.



There is also zero reason for their sexuality to be involved in the first place.


You are correct in your assesment here. We are talking about what they show and tell and what they show and tell is too much, and is pretty awful in my opinion.



pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20576388/
That's just one study, there are more if you want me to link them.
In 2024, straight men are being persuaded not to be disgusted by something they are naturally disgusted by.

If you're truly straight and don't feel any disgust when encountering homosexual behaviour, you're probably desensitized against your nature.
When the ''woke'' broke crowd is asking for your tolerance, this is essentially what they're asking for.

I double dare any legitimately straight ''LGBT ally'' to try living in the woods with no internet or people for a couple of months, coming back and seeing if you're still not disgusted. This ties to the earlier point made by StodgyAyatollah about the mind being malleable. Being in nature tends to reset your mind back to the ''default settings'', so to speak.

Then don't invite them, simple. These problems are always easily solved by a hefty dose of gatekeeping. And who are these groups targetted by, in the west, where you're from, at least?

There is a chance they are disgusting - but as that is pointed out, you dismiss your own observations in favour of your ideological beliefs. I already had a negative stance on transgenders, but after the Marisa situation, I came to distrust them (especially in this community) even more. A pedophile was being defended purely because he is of a "targeted minority group".

We could ignore it all if they didn't rub it in our faces. Like here:




People aren't listening listening because you're acting preachy.

I don't think it's nearly that black and white from what I'm seeing. There's a range of opinions that aren't all coming from an "I hate those people" perspective. Anyway, to be fair a lot of these drawn out debates seem to happen because you chose to engage with them and people love debating online so it drags out a lot longer than it probably would otherwise. At least that's the sense I get. 

if you had any gay, nonbinary, or trans friends i wouldnt have to be the only person you have to talk to about this.