🌟Dean of Doom reviews Requiem

More Dean of Doom ROAST requiem lol

Will never understand why he's held in such high regard as some sort of Doom authority, 90% of the times he has no idea what he's talking about and his taste in Doom is as bland as it gets.

He really likes Valiant, but BTSX got a mixed reception from him as far as I remember.

So I have never played a squonkers map - must be a newer mapper? - might be interesting to look into playing one. If he is more casual then the skillsaw thing makes sense. I am curious if he has played counter-attack.. it is probably my favorite wad to come out of that group of mappers (btsx group).

As far as respecting people's time I am a bit similar now-a-days. However the on-rails thing would drive me crazy because I have abandoned modern games due to how hand holdy they are (colored textures telling me where to go.. npcs giving me hints..). For me it is more lengthy wads where I no longer feel like I am progressing in the map but rather I am just completing an arbitrary number of required fights to get to the exit and keys have lost all meaning. Basically I have no sense of the end being in sight. Maybe he is getting a bit older like me but tbh for myself I think my tastes have just changed. I would be curious what he means by 'respecting people's time' specifically just to satisfy my curiosity.

Meh as long as he has thick skin and can deal with people not agreeing with him, which is par for the course in this community, then more power to him tbh. I don't think he has a 'big head' so to speak because he always starts his videos saying 'disagreeing is part of the fun' (at least from what I have seen). So I have no problem from that perspective.

If the community is alienating him for having an opinion then that is the community's problem. He should just keep doing what he is doing. I mean I had to deal with people who never played a single slaughter wad shitting on slaughter wads for years in this community. So at least this isn't that.

Oh so squonkers is a group of mappers? Because I did play vigor when it was released. Had some fun maps in it.

Didn't play Requiem or BTSX yet, but Valiant is very sex yes yes.

yeah he has rather "mainstream" taste, far from an outsider sharing his perspective and more like an official spokesperson for what good well designed wads mean in the <current year>, doesn't mean i hate him or anything. he has his own quirks tho, like unironically liking tnt and giving high grades to the more "adventure mapping" style wads such as lost civilization. or simping for sincity2100, well i suppose shattered dimensions was good. and bprd and doomcute (tm)
btsx was one of the first wads i played and i actually liked it a lot, same goes for skillsoy stuff (if anything i'm getting shunned here for admitting this), over time i became a bit more critical of the mapping trends such stuff represents. not saying btsx didn't make sense to make in 2012, or valiant in 2015 (and the "formula" has certainly evolved in its own way, i just don't find it incredibly interesting. it's palatable though, like burger king or something). heartland might be the best skillsoy wad tho, and some maps in btsx2 i find more interesting, the exploration based epics that mtpain and decino hate and called btsx2 "pretentious" for

But why? Reading Capellan's comment on the dean of doom doomworld thread www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/117837-the-dean-of-doom-series-companion-thread/?page=30 there is nothing to imply requiem was designed for continuous play.

And the "you shouldnt judge this map by how the UV-max is" is bullshit to me. If your map isnt fun to 100%, it isnt 100% fun. If they are parts of your map that isnt fun, just fucking remove them. And I dont even always uv-max maps myself if I dont think its worth my time and still think its a bullshit argument

Exactly, and even then you still need to account for pistol starts for when the player dies when he plays with no saves or can only an unplayable save. Or are you just gonna say "fuck the player when he dies at map 23, just pistol 2 cybers to death or start from map 1 again" that wad would be fucking shit.

How else would they be playtested then? By giving themselves weapons at the beginning with cheats? That's a shit way of playtesting. I can imagine they playtested it with saves and not going for 100% kills (which still would be weird if they put in the txt that you should go for all secrets, implying to do everything a map has to offer). But regardless of the culture, that is just a recipe for unbalanced maps and should be critised for it. Sure, you can be aware of this and keep it in the back of your mind while playing these 90s wads, to increase your enjoyement of the wads, but the fact that you need to do that to increase your fun of it is a negative point. But a smarter choice to do so nonetheless.

And you wont convince me there wasnt atleast some culture of pistol-starting 100%'ing back in 1997, the same year hell revealed was released, which is a wad made by a speedrunner for speedrunners and that wad also deals with balancing issues for pistol-start. Fucking loser not giving me a ssg in city in the clouds.

That being said tho, I dont have problems with 90s wads (even tho I dont really care for MM1 and 2 and requiem). I understand and accept their shortcoming and its fun to see what people came up with back then. Especially ealry 90s wad, 93/94, when nobody really had an idea how to make maps and there wasnt really a paradigm on how to do it.
Its difficult to find art/creations where the people werent influenced by certain ideas or rules (by either using them or countering them) and those early wads are one of the few examples of truly free-form creations, free from the idea of how things should be. Love them.

lmao, well at least the thread won't get locked for no reason over here.


a couple points:

He doesn't uv-max the maps, which would require him to get all the secrets. In fact his own rules at the start of the video say he doesn't even go for 100% kills if he doesn't feel like its worth it. So I'm not sure why people are complaining about him trying to uv-max the requiem maps and other old wads?

Somebody posted the DW thread where Capellan responded about pistol starts in requiem, but there were other quotes from him pulled up in that thread as well:






There seems to be this notion that these 90s wads HAVE to be played continuous, but for Requiem that certainly doesn't seem to be the case according to this first hand source, and the complete lack of any mention in the txt or help file about having to play continuous. I was a bit baffled by the cries on DW about how awful this review was because the reviewer stuck to his established guidelines when doing the review. I personally think that the criteria for grading should remain consistent and not be changed so the thing or mapper you like gets the grade you want, but that is just my opinion.


Not sure I've ever seen people call MtPain a "doom authority" lokk, got a source for that or are you just projecting your personal perception onto everybody? At the end of the day he is a critic, and whether you agree with his opinions or not, or hate his "bland taste" in wads (compared to your own superior taste of course), its quite rare to find somebody who will put in the effort to play a map multiple times, form an opinion on the work beyond the superficial, put that into words, and then deliver it in a medium that is entertaining. I think its pretty valuable as a mapper for clear and concise insight into a players mind.