StodgyAyatollah
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Dec 21, 2023 6:53:49 GMT -5
Yeah that's basically my reading of the situation. Really does seem like 5 people can decide who 5 million other people can vote for, based on nothing more than contested opinion. Pretty fucking wild that a party that holds the democratic process in such contempt can still call themselves the Democrats with a straight face. They were also the ones that kept Lincoln off the ballots back in the 1860s or whatever. I think we all know how that one panned out. Granted Lincoln did suspend habeas corpus, went after journalists and a few other little things but ya know. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 10:24:45 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 10:49:34 GMT -5
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Post by rdetalus on Dec 21, 2023 20:17:44 GMT -5
Ridiculous. I mean, could 5 judges just get together in a room and decide that since Biden gave Iran money, that counts as "aiding the enemy" and thus insurrection? This words-only legal reading of the law produces silly bullshit
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 20:31:43 GMT -5
I think 2024 is going to make 2016 look like a walk in the park.
This will be the craziest and most volatile election in recent American history. Bar-none.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2023 8:16:02 GMT -5
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Post by googlemyname on Jan 10, 2024 1:39:37 GMT -5
I do not think this is a serious attempt though, feels more like they are just toying around with the law for fun and games here. Hopefully my commentary didn't come off in such a flippant manner. I don't think this is being done without a reason, the seat of judicial power was built stone by stone after all.
After further reflection this case is likely aimed at the general election, considering that the primary elections are mere democratic tinsel covering the internal political machinations of each party. I believe the Colorado Republicans have even said that if Trump was removed from the ballots they will shift to a caucus system in the stead of primary voting. My guess is that this case is probably a "trial balloon" of sorts to test the waters of what arguments will be palatable to the judges, and if they get really lucky, certain parts of this case will stick and provide anchor-holds for a future challenge to ballot access in the general election (the finding of fact by the district judge on the insurrection is likely very important and may not be addressed at all by the SCOTUS, being one example).
On a similar front, Maine has given a very good preview of what is in store for the future of the "democracy" beloved by so many, if the Colorado precedent stands. The Secretary of State (who is appointed by the state legislature) has unilaterally removed Trump from the ballot through an administrative hearing. I believe this will be a common sight across both red and blue states in the future as the Colorado decision provides partisan politicians of all stripes a powerful shortcut for circumventing the most annoying part of their jobs -namely elections- by disenfranchising their political rivals.
Lastly, a panel of judges from the DC appellate court heard arguments today on the matter of presidential immunity. While I have no crystal ball, I would hazard a guess based on the nature of the questions that these judges asked to both parties that they will likely rule against Trump on this appeal (who are we kidding, this is DC after all). After the decision here is rendered, it will be appealed to an en banc panel (where all the judges of the court hear arguments) and they will either deny the appeal or take it. Either way, this portion of the process is sort of like a formality and a chance for lots of research to be compiled to inevitably be presented to SCOTUS, and I have a real hard time envisioning how they do not take this matter up when the petition for cert comes to their desk.
This immunity claim is undoubtedly the most worrying part of all these trials, as people don't seem to comprehend what a Pandora's box this is. Even worse is that people on both sides imagine that there is an outcome where their side wins in this entire debacle. All the discourse appears to be that either the president has no immunity and the bad man goes to jail, or the president has full immunity and the witchhunt against the good guy goes away.
The entire proposition seems lose/lose to me. Either the President has no immunity and all future holders of the office will be charged, imprisoned, and-when taken to the absurd but logical conclusion-executed, for any novel and contrived treasons dreamed up by their political opposition both domestic and foreign. On the flip side of the coin, we finally ink in black and white the starting rung on the ladder to be climbed by some future dictator. We get to see once-and-for-all just how much power the chief executive really wields, and gaze in amazement upon just how far we have actually come from the monarchies of but a few centuries ago. Sadly, I think the box is already open, and now we wait to see which curse is placed upon us. Another cautionary tale in the history books of why you never trod down the path of political prosecutions.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2024 10:49:09 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2024 10:28:26 GMT -5
This is Nikki Haley's home state. She's clearly running for some other reason than to actually win the nomination. I doubt she's stupid or delusional. Unless she's banking on Trump going to prison, and becoming disqualified, and getting the nomination in a brokered convention. Trump has huge lead over Haley in South Carolina, poll shows
www.politico.com/news/2024/02/14/trump-haley-south-carolina-poll-00141450 |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2024 10:35:08 GMT -5
Also, I didn't even realize Robert F. Kennedy jr. was running as an independent until I saw the Superbowl ad. Not that I would vote for him.
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Feb 15, 2024 12:02:48 GMT -5
Also, I didn't even realize Robert F. Kennedy jr. was running as an independent until I saw the Superbowl ad. Not that I would vote for him. He put out a video saying he's forming a new party. The “we the people" party. Almost feel bad for the guy since he has no chance in hell. Just not that bad since his politics are pretty trash. He is a thorn in the side of the establishment though so that's a plus. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2024 12:21:49 GMT -5
Also, I didn't even realize Robert F. Kennedy jr. was running as an independent until I saw the Superbowl ad. Not that I would vote for him. He put out a video saying he's forming a new party. The “we the people" party. Almost feel bad for the guy since he has no chance in hell. Just not that bad since his politics are pretty trash. He is a thorn in the side of the establishment though so that's a plus. I wonder who he will be more of a spoiler for though, democrats or republicans. He's definitely getting the anti-vax vote. There's a lot of hippies on the left that are into that too. |
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Feb 15, 2024 13:14:09 GMT -5
He put out a video saying he's forming a new party. The “we the people" party. Almost feel bad for the guy since he has no chance in hell. Just not that bad since his politics are pretty trash. He is a thorn in the side of the establishment though so that's a plus. I wonder who he will be more of a spoiler for though, democrats or republicans. He's definitely getting the anti-vax vote. There's a lot of hippies on the left that are into that too. I'd guess the dems. The only republicans that won't vote for Trump are probably mostly neocons so I don't see them voting for him. A lot of lefties probably aren't too happy with the economy and all the new wars. It's probably starting to finally sink in with some of them that Biden is incompetent. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2024 14:01:54 GMT -5
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Post by picks-a-tool on Feb 15, 2024 15:58:55 GMT -5
Man. US politics is a lot more fun to read about when there's sharpshooters involved. Why do u guys stop scorin' presidential headshots again?
Don't get me wrong here tho. Biden's dementia is hilarious and the Orange dude's antics are also quite comical. You know, I can appreciate a fellow pussy-grabber when I see one. Still, 1st world country and all you gringos can offer is an e-celeb boxing rematch? Lame.
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Post by dr_st on Feb 17, 2024 6:28:51 GMT -5
It's probably starting to finally sink in with some of them that Biden is incompetent. Only when it starts to sink in that the left in general is incompetent (or worse), we can see some real change for the better. |
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Feb 17, 2024 13:04:57 GMT -5
It's probably starting to finally sink in with some of them that Biden is incompetent. Only when it starts to sink in that the left in general is incompetent (or worse), we can see some real change for the better. Even that would just be a drop in the bucket. A lot of the right is just as bad and the real problems run much deeper than any party lines unfortunately. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2024 22:31:48 GMT -5
www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-bidenwww.realclearpolitics.com/elections/trump-vs-biden-top-battleground-states/I feel like Trump needs to defeat Biden for the future of civilization. Not because I'm particularly enthusiastic about Trump. But Biden and far-left liberals have what I perceive as alien and disturbing values and beliefs. That being said, I don't think I'm a supporter of anti-abortionism, or the Christian-right. Because I'm not. I feel like there's so much hypocrisy, and injustice. I just want things to be fair and normal. I am so sick of seeing violent criminals be let loose in society, after committing mind blowing acts of violence. I hate that every institution from academia, to media, to the justice system, etc is an interlocking system that promotes an extreme progressive agenda. To me, it seems that the entire Left-wing agenda is reliant on obscurantism, in order to keep their power over a mass of ignorant fanatics. A lot of these people belong in prison!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2024 23:03:46 GMT -5
I respect the authority and consensus of professionals in the field of (hard) science.
That includes climate, vaccines, evolution, human origins, etc.
I also believe that regarding criminal justice, "restorative justice" is a major issue where it has been applied, particularly in urban areas. Regardless of the race or ethnicity of the individual, anyone that commits violent crime needs to be incarcerated and given an appropriate punishment. Reducing felonies to misdemeanors, and cashless bail has created major quality of life issues. I also believe the death penalty should always be an option for people who commit murder, provided there's no reason for doubt. As well as mandatory chemical castration for child rapists.
I also think perhaps instead of incarceration, a lot of these people need to be placed in mental health facilities. There should be an effort to create more institution to keep these people off the streets, and out of the general population. That would probably also help reduce the major homelessness issue as well.
I also think abortion should be MORE available to people, especially in poor communities, to help with better family planning. I think if you want to have less people on welfare, you need to give them access to terminate unwanted pregnancy. This is something I never understood about the Right in this country, but I guess it is because they're beholden to the Christian right.
Frankly, I don't think I will ever be the kind of person that is totally represented, because my views don't seem to align with either party totally.
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Post by Gokuma on Mar 1, 2024 18:05:31 GMT -5
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Mar 2, 2024 20:11:46 GMT -5
I've honestly pretty much stopped following the Trump persecutions because of how predictable it's all become. Still curious what they'll try next.  |
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Post by Killer5 on Mar 2, 2024 23:58:57 GMT -5
Trump is the only choice. People will still vote for Xiden however. I still remember when people were saying that they regretted their vote after Xiden started the lockdowns immediately after he was instated on Twitter. I bet these people will vote for Xiden again.
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