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Post by ass-Klappin superfreaK enjoyer on May 22, 2023 22:56:17 GMT -5
One of the more "extreme" policy for example, deporting illegal immigrants, and building a boarder wall on the southern boarder (though clearly a nuanced topic), shouldn't be considered extreme. A tepid relationship with the right is historically, a form of isolationism and fundamentally advocates neutrality. Extreme right fascism preys on neutrality as seen in WW2 history. Nationalism and state control mandates violence on groups of people with eugenics-based supporting data. You can't have an entire country made of neutral isolationists. You become a prime target of expansionism by extreme right parties. It can only be subverted by deliberate resistance. The country cannot be safe without resistance to the right. Nonviolence does not win when violence is mandated in right's fully realized ideology. Mexico is a very dangerous place to live, given that the country's police and government are corrupted by drug cartels. When mexican people are migrating to the United States, and border security is making it impossible for refugees to gain citizenship or asylum, this is a form of state controlled violence. When the right calls this 'protecting our borders' it has a very 'common sense' appeal to it's right wing voters despite plausibly denying participation in the murderous intentions of Mexican druglords. Perhaps you imagine state violence as tanks and super soldiers with machine guns marching in the street and shooting people out, (which actually happened in the United States, and was supported with vigilantes like Kyle Rittenhouse and others that successfully restored order a few years ago.) The United States has the most powerful military in the world, it's major cities have no budget for schools, transportation or health services, but an astronomical budget for police. It's probably worth considering different ways that violence can take place. Frankly, I think the USA should be broken up into smaller blocs, the country has become ungovernable. I wouldn't care if California, Texas, or others wanted to become their own countries. Then people can have their uber-liberal countries, and others can have conservative nationalist ones.
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Post by ass-Klappin superfreaK enjoyer on May 22, 2023 23:11:47 GMT -5
This will never happen however, because it would destroy the economy and ruin everyone's savings. There will been massive uncertainty and risk in the stock market, and it would be chaos and widespread fear.
'Cause when it's sink or swim You got to think to win And if I drink this Henn', everybody'll know it 'Cause I ain't going for it, so pray to the Lord That I don't pull out, cuss out, and bust out Go the nigga route Make the trigger shout, uh
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Post by ass-Klappin superfreaK enjoyer on May 23, 2023 21:18:14 GMT -5
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Post by ass-Klappin superfreaK enjoyer on May 23, 2023 21:28:04 GMT -5
I've heard DeSantis called a "big government conservative", which means he will use the government to engineer policy. Rather than have the hands off, pro-corporation approach typical of conservatives. The fact that DeSantis is willing to fuck with Disney shows that he doesn't give a crap about the hands-off approach. I like that, because corporations have decided they want to become the pillars of morality, by aggressively promoting left-wing social policy. I don't give a crap about the hands-off approach either. I do believe you need government to get involved and set things straight sometimes. I am not a libertarian, nor do I think mega-corporations should wield so much power over our personal lives. Especially since nobody asked for it, except for a very small but loud groups of extremists.
Bush was also called a "big government conservative" but that was more to promote neoconservative goals, evangelicalism, and the interests of big oil, and the military industrial complex.
DeSantis is an "big government conservative" to dismantle post-modern progressive social policy, and will take punitive actions against corporations that promote social left-wing extremism.
Similar means, different goals.
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Post by GRUG on Jun 3, 2023 17:53:35 GMT -5
I’m not voting in this election or anymore national elections.
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Post by ass-Klappin superfreaK enjoyer on Jun 5, 2023 9:09:15 GMT -5
I’m not voting in this election or anymore national elections. I feel DeSantis is a pretty solid candidate for the GOP. However, the reality is that Trump is going to get the nomination. Nevertheless, I think DeSantis could still have a shot in 2028, he's a young guy, only 44 years old. By then Trump will no longer be part of the equation, and I don't see any other viable candidate. DeSantis definitely doesn't have the charisma of Trump, or the name recognition. Also, much of his career is indeed owed to Trump's endorsement. I think some people who are more in Trump's court see that as a legitimacy issue. I don't care about that, because that's really on the periphery of importance. What is important are actions, and I see that DeSantis has the fortitude to see his policies through.
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Post by ass-Klappin superfreaK enjoyer on Jun 26, 2023 15:24:02 GMT -5
Both sides of the alias are too chicken hearted to do what must be done to fix our society.
The solution is actually a great compromise, that could make both sides happy:
What society needs is MORE abortions, and MORE executions. There's too many people causing too many issues. Those issues disappear with their lives.
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Post by ass-Klappin superfreaK enjoyer on Aug 26, 2023 6:44:36 GMT -5
I'm for Trump, now. Because he is the only Republican that has a chance to win. Also I genuinely feel that he is being persecuted for obvious political reasons. Also, I would like to see him become president even if convicted and sent to prison. It will be a big fuck you to the democrats and the society. It would be awesome.
Joe Biden, his crack head son, and his whole courrpt party, need to lose their power. The economy sucks, and all of the weird and vile shit they promote needs to be removed from our discourse.
That does not mean I'm 100% in lock step with what Trump says and does. But the country was far better off when he was the president.
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Aug 26, 2023 7:32:28 GMT -5
Trump is by far the best, most pragmatic option at this point. The fact people are willing to try and burn the country to the ground instead of simply respecting our system and letting people vote for the representation they want makes it that much easier of a choice. I have my problems with Trump but I'll take him over the bannanna republic the other side is clamoring for any day.
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Post by ass-Klappin superfreaK enjoyer on Dec 19, 2023 18:56:02 GMT -5
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Post by ass-Klappin superfreaK enjoyer on Dec 19, 2023 18:57:37 GMT -5
It is really unseemly, this isn't the Cacowards, this is the US presidential election.
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Post by dn on Dec 20, 2023 3:40:11 GMT -5
wait what? Has he even been convicted of anything?
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Post by rdetalus on Dec 20, 2023 7:14:47 GMT -5
wait what? Has he even been convicted of anything? No, but the rebuttal is that the 14th amendment for disqualification based on insurrection doesn't require a conviction
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Post by dn on Dec 20, 2023 7:53:49 GMT -5
Seems excessive. Not that it matters, Biden voters will just vote twice as much hard to keep muh based retard out of office anyway.
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Post by ass-Klappin superfreaK enjoyer on Dec 20, 2023 11:16:31 GMT -5
I'd bet it will be taken to the Supreme Court, of which most justices are conservative.
To disqualify the most popular candidate, more popular than the incumbent, is pretty crazy. Clearly, they're not confident Biden can win, since he has one foot in the grave and a low approval rating.
TBH, I wish there weren't liberal or conservative justices. They should all be impartial, but it is human to be biased to some degree.
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Post by ass-Klappin superfreaK enjoyer on Dec 20, 2023 11:19:31 GMT -5
Even as a Republican that would vote for Trump, I think overturning Roe v Wade was a mistake. I do believe life begins at conception, but I also believe abortion is necessary. It should at least be applicable up to the end of the first trimester, or if the child is slated to die or have issues.
It is an evangelicalism in politics and I don't give a fuck about those people, or their retarded beliefs.
DeSantis is a stupid fuck to limit it to 6 weeks. People don't even know they're pregnant at that time.
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Post by BIG DICK NIGGA on Dec 20, 2023 11:51:40 GMT -5
Where did DeSantis go? Bro fell off the face of the earth, when only a few months ago he was seen as a competitor to the orange man.
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Post by ass-Klappin superfreaK enjoyer on Dec 20, 2023 13:20:43 GMT -5
Where did DeSantis go? Bro fell off the face of the earth, when only a few months ago he was seen as a competitor to the orange man. For the most part he would have been better than Trump. But Trump has far more charisma and name recognition, he's a known commodity to more people. Also Trump has more passionate surrogates. I think DeSantis would have been great, and would beat Biden, had Trump not been in the picture.
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Dec 20, 2023 13:34:42 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to land locked Colorado seceding once we get a president they don't recognize. Even Somalia Minnesota wasn't stupid enough to go that course. Where did DeSantis go? Bro fell off the face of the earth, when only a few months ago he was seen as a competitor to the orange man. Big part was DeSantis' campaign staff. They pissed a lot of potential supporters off and really drove things into the ground. The conspiracy is they were actually working for Trump considering how bad they've done. wait what? Has he even been convicted of anything? No, but the rebuttal is that the 14th amendment for disqualification based on insurrection doesn't require a conviction The US hasn't been under the rule of law for some time so it's kind of irrelevant honestly.
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Post by ass-Klappin superfreaK enjoyer on Dec 20, 2023 17:23:54 GMT -5
It is really unseemly, this isn't the Cacowards, this is the US presidential election. Trump is ultimately the reason why DW hates DBs. This place was started because they had a moratorium on politics back in 2015. There was no official support for Trump btw, we just wanted to talk about it, and willingly invited discussion from both sides. It is why we are falsely accused of being bigots. It was the snowball the morphed into the avalanche of hatred against us. USA is not a Republic, it is curated.
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Post by googlemyname on Dec 20, 2023 23:30:39 GMT -5
Politics is pretty gross, but the movements of US jurisprudence surrounding the upcoming elections are infinitely fascinating and will probably be some of the most important decisions in the country's history. This Colorado appellate court decision is a very odd duck. They admit right away in paragraph 7 of the majority opinion that they are blazing a trail through uncharted wilderness and preemptively stay (pause) their own ruling until Jan 4 of next year in anticipation of SCOTUS taking up this issue. Furthermore they write that if SCOTUS takes this case, their ruling is on hold indefinitely until guidance comes back down from above. So basically nothing is achieved here except either throwing a political sop to one side of the aisle, or trying to incite the other? Hard to read the tea leaves here. Alas it seems very likely that SCOTUS will take this and either slap the ruling down quickly if they can come up with a reasoning that has support of the entire bench, or kick the can past the Jan 4 deadline with hearings on this complex issue and deliver a split decision later on when they have more political cover. For some reason, I have a hard time seeing the SCOTUS punt or uphold this decision and let a state judiciary/executive pry this much power out of the greedy mitts of the federal government, but I also don't have a crystal ball or a scholarly degree in constitutional interpretation, so what do I know? I do think that long-term, if you remove the divisive figures and politics involved here, that if this decision stands as precedent elections will rapidly devolve into a further political nightmare quickly, where any random elector can convince a secretary of state that a candidate has been involved in an insurrection and then a disqualification is automatically executed and attached to that candidate without a criminal trial or without a finding from congress, of which said disability can only be removed by a super-majority vote of congress (basically impossible). The proposed guardrails here from abuse by either elected political officials or political appointees up and down the chain seem like single ply toilet paper. I'm not sure if people are just extremely short-sighted or incompetent critical thinkers, but the chances that the candidates that you are allowed to vote for in your future elections will be determined by the political party controlling your state government organs appears inevitable under this proposed new standard by the Colorado court, in my opinion of course. Here is the courts majority opinion if anyone wants to peruse it (doubtful): www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/Supreme_Court/Opinions/2023/23SA300.pdfMaybe the Doom community has some Constitutional Lawyers who can correct my pathetic laymens reading of this situation.
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Post by rdetalus on Dec 20, 2023 23:51:49 GMT -5
Yeah that's basically my reading of the situation. Really does seem like 5 people can decide who 5 million other people can vote for, based on nothing more than contested opinion. I do not think this is a serious attempt though, feels more like they are just toying around with the law for fun and games here.
The 14th amendment, section 3 was originally created to stop former Confederates from holding office after the civil war. That's the insurrection they are referring to. Would we equate Trump's actions with the American civil war? When he hasn't even been convicted by anyone of such thing? That's a fucking stretch, but then again we had people comparing J6 with pearl harbor or 9/11 and stuff like that
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Post by dr_st on Dec 21, 2023 6:17:32 GMT -5
Yeah that's basically my reading of the situation. Really does seem like 5 people can decide who 5 million other people can vote for, based on nothing more than contested opinion. I do not think this is a serious attempt though, feels more like they are just toying around with the law for fun and games here. This is a good summary, and it is a problem that most of the westernized world is facing. The high regard for the judiciary system, and its ability to rule and pass judgement on other branches of government is paramount to healthy democracies. What happens, though, is that the judges and lawyers get too full of themselves, and start "toying around" with the law for fun and games, as you said, so they can write their academic papers and feel important. It's very fun to have these deep philosophical discussions, the problem is that when given the power to decide on everything and scrutinize any and all bill, law or action of the executive - it starts encroaching on actual democracy, leading to this: the candidates that you are allowed to vote for in your future elections will be determined by the political party controlling your state government organs appears inevitable under this proposed new standard And in that sense, the "liberal democracy" is on a road to becoming no better than Putin's regime, where any opposing candidate threatening the hegemony immediately gets disqualified by the court system on some quasi-legal pretense. When everything is about interpretation, it is not hard to come up with enough mumbo-jumbo to justify any position.
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Post by dn on Dec 21, 2023 6:26:55 GMT -5
Yeah that's basically my reading of the situation. Really does seem like 5 people can decide who 5 million other people can vote for, based on nothing more than contested opinion. Pretty fucking wild that a party that holds the democratic process in such contempt can still call themselves the Democrats with a straight face.
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Post by wernergoldberg on Dec 21, 2023 6:46:05 GMT -5
i have no belief in democracy whatsoever, l0l but trump is better for "foreign policy" reasons
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