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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 10:13:00 GMT -5
I wasn't referring to a medical treatment, but rather to his egocentrism, wanting to be accepted despite his flaws, not accepting others despite their flaws in return. just like any generic human, really. That's a problem, no doubt, but, what can you do about it if the 70% of people are like him, in that case? |
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Post by zedonk on Aug 8, 2021 10:13:22 GMT -5
I could definitely do with more friendship treatment : D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 10:17:34 GMT -5
zedonk, that's an offtopic request, but I guess you might need... money? Lots of it, so you get to experience what is being rich (without even having a job) and being able to afford to obtain whatever food, clothes, form of entertainment you want, and realize how this can make you a lot more happy in times of restrictions and recurring psychic trauma than other people can possibly earn. And how, unless you are a naturally empathic kind, this can make you blind to the problems of other people, because those problems don't concern you. With money, you can shut off the world of wokeness and verbal microaggression, enjoy service women paid to always smile at you and treat you with respect. And than it will be clear as day why billionaries can pore their money even to "support" the woke movement. Because it won't touch their base, it's the normie crowd that will have to live with that shit. P.S. Well, this is actually maybe not what you need, but what would provide you with a different perspective on the world. Unless you are already rich, that is. An experience that might lead to new insight rather than a treatment.
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Post by joe-ilya on Aug 8, 2021 10:27:31 GMT -5
Back in the day toxicity was acceptable, normal, and lured most people in Doesn't sound very 'toxic' if people liked it, nae, flocked to it. Almost like "toxicity" is a newspeak synonym for "brutal honesty" or "inconvenient truth". Or "heresy", come to think of it. Toxicity has a very broad definition, but what I'm talking about is all the sexism, racism, homophobia, etc. DW doesn't tolerate that anymore, I don't see the mods using slurs. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 10:38:48 GMT -5
joe-ilya, you would justify murdering robbers with your rhetoric. A greater ill doesn't cancel the lesser ill. And I consider "sexism", "racism", and "homophobia" - when they are debatable rather than the only acceptable positions - to be lesser problem than self-flagellation going on present DW. I also don't respect people who bend over to opinions for others to get accepted instead of proudly standing by their own, even if that gets one banned. Violence towards self is not healthy. I believe verbal violence towards others is a better outlet for anguish than mental self-mutilation, this is my political stance and I hold it outside of forums too. Hence my position that hate speech should be legal and protected on the grounds of free speech. Better spergout than let it boil within and then burst uncontrollably, or than trying to quell it by self-mutilating (or self-shaming). Also, I'll have to remind you that you once erred too, but these boards has recognized your positive contributions, and thus did argue with you but didn't ban you. The doomworld, on the contrary, did ban you. Do you want this place to become were we ban people indefinitely over their wrongdoings even when they don't undestand them? Where would you go if that was the case? Not holding it against you, just don't understand what you are arguing for. If you arguing doomer boards should hold doomworld's moderation to be an example, than you arguing for yourself getting banned here. It won't happen, of course, because admins won't agree with your views of doomworld as having changed for the better (I'm sure of it, because dn already declared his position on toxicity in this thread, and I also know that 40oz doesn't agree that DW staff is motivated by leftist politics, instead, he considers their motive to be power play).
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Post by dn on Aug 8, 2021 11:02:10 GMT -5
Toxicity has a very broad definition, but what I'm talking about is all the sexism, racism, homophobia, etc. DW doesn't tolerate that anymore, I don't see the mods using slurs. Sexism: never a problem on old DW. To my certain knowledge, there was a grand total of two (2) women, if you don't count the larpers. Go on, ask about the larpers. We'll have a discussion about Katarhyne in #doom, cybering with Ling, Fraggle et. al about how she likes to fuck her dog and her brother. Racism: never a problem on old DW. Can't remember a single ban for racism, unless you count Esco getting banned for refusing to stop using ebonics. Whoops. Homophobia: calling each other faggots, which is about as offensive as the members of NWA calling Esco a (content removed). DW Mods don't use slurs: maybe you missed the beginning of this thread where I, personally, was called a fascist. By a DW mod. Which is fine. edit: and as for toxicity having a 'broad definition', this is exactly the fucking problem with that sort of language. It's as meaningless as 'fascist', or 'faggot' for that matter: you drop one word accusation and all of a sudden I'm having to defend myself from an exponentially multiplying number of charges, because if each charge fails another one is simply made up on the spot. It's designed to shut down debate by being as nebulous as possible. To quote a scientologist, one who knew a thing or two about designing ouroboros logic loops and inescapable language traps, it's got "Infinite options for renewal hahahahahah". |
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Post by xeepeep on Aug 8, 2021 11:41:57 GMT -5
Who the fuck is Katarhyne? I understand you guys were talking about that person at the same time as I was learning to eat solid food.
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Post by 40oz on Aug 8, 2021 11:42:34 GMT -5
just don't understand what you are arguing for. It's obvious dude. rd called joe (reminder: a banned and rebanned doomworld member that they've been bullying his entire presence in the doom community) a 'voice of reason' in their post. Why would they ban a voice of reason? That's what they do. They call me the manipulator. The curtains are opening. Joe is being played and they're making me deal with it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 12:05:47 GMT -5
40oz, ah well my short-sighteness. I thought the ploy to use joe failed, because we didn't turn on joe. Sad that he can also act in a way that feeds the DW puppet-leader wannabes. As undead members went to post here, I completely discarded the joe plot from getting root, and assumed they will just pull us into personal shitthrower with undead instead. Which was a bit more successful than their initial ploy (as evident by this split thread having a few pages rather than one), but then joe decided to debate whether DW of the past needs to remembered fondly. Granted, the shitstir attracted the attention of darknation, and you can't win the debate against him. Game over, DW clique. The cards he pulled can't be beaten. The only thing left for you is to try to dissuade people from seeing the actual record of this event.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 12:22:33 GMT -5
By the way, rd' clearly used tongue in cheek when calling joe a "voice of reason" because she put three dots in between words "voice of reason" and his nickname. It was not flattery, it was contempt - on her part. An attack on this place using a person they don't like to show that they don't like this place even more, while the person in question remains banned and non-respected on DW.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 13:53:51 GMT -5
We just have to deal with the fact that some people are going to be uncomfortable in registering into a forum that has people with shitty opinions, while other people can deal with it and know how to ignore them. DW bans people with shitty opinions to make it more friendly for outsiders, and in result is a bigger community; that's what's important to them, unlike here, where the ill-opiniated people are kept because they like Doom and it's all that matters to 40oz. DW is big because it just is big. It is one of the oldest doom forum and has the biggest wad archive which in fact became the "standard" place you want to upload your wads. No other site can compete with DW's success. When I started getting into doom, DW's name was everywhere, every single links to wads were to DW or idgames. Of course it became the first site where I registered. I wasn't much interested if there are other doom forums. I personally found DB after getting interested why the author of the cacoward-winning UAC Ultra had been banned. Even now, I see, the vast majority of new DW members also aren't interested in the community itself; they didn't choose where they want to be. It seems you want DB to start banning some members with shitty/"shitty" opinions, don't you? |
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Post by 40oz on Aug 8, 2021 14:02:43 GMT -5
@dmslr, that's what doomworld wants. That is explicitly the reason why they banned me.
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Post by xeepeep on Aug 8, 2021 14:09:40 GMT -5
joe-ilya sorry to burst your bubble bro but esselfortium will never let you hit. Now start spamming racial slurs like the rest of us trololol!
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Post by 40oz on Aug 8, 2021 14:26:37 GMT -5
No, don't fucking do that because people of color actually fucking matter.
Look, get everything you learned from doomworld out of your head. POC, trans people, gay people, jews, anti-fascists, are massive groups of people and they're fucking awesome. Doomworld is not banning people over politics. It was never about politics. They don't care. They ban people because they don't like them. They tell you it's politics because banning people you don't like is shitty leadership in a community meant for doom fans. They built up this community this way to maintain the illusion that the things they do are just. Thats why they've built up a culture of bullying people who are slightly warm to the idea of shitty politics. They want to pull the bad behavior out of the targets they choose by bullying them into defending themselves, and then ban you when you act out. These people come out of it all fucked up with shitty opinions about "the left." It's psychological warfare. Don't fucking buy into it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 14:37:13 GMT -5
No, don't fucking do that because people of color actually fucking matter. Can't say if you're dead serious with this or you're just being sarcastic towards xeep's sarcasm. Edit: just realized my post could be one of those shots in rd's post and in the replies, implying that I'm a racist. |
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Post by 40oz on Aug 8, 2021 14:56:41 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 16:36:38 GMT -5
Tldr;
Wtf is this thread about?
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Post by matador on Aug 8, 2021 16:42:05 GMT -5
Tldr; Wtf is this thread about? A Cacoward judge and Doomworld mod (rd) will "not support or endorse" the Doomer Boards because we're "fascist", which I assume means we will not be getting a Cacoward for DBP37, which was pretty popular on Doomworld (90-something likes, last I checked). |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 17:07:31 GMT -5
That is certainly not a fair thing to say, at all.
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Post by zedonk on Aug 8, 2021 17:42:09 GMT -5
I could definitely do with more friendship treatment : D Same  YES! zedonk , that's an offtopic request, but I guess you might need... money? Lots of it, so you get to experience what is being rich (without even having a job) and being able to afford to obtain whatever food, clothes, form of entertainment you want, and realize how this can make you a lot more happy in times of restrictions and recurring psychic trauma than other people can possibly earn. And how, unless you are a naturally empathic kind, this can make you blind to the problems of other people, because those problems don't concern you. With money, you can shut off the world of wokeness and verbal microaggression, enjoy service women paid to always smile at you and treat you with respect. And than it will be clear as day why billionaries can pore their money even to "support" the woke movement. Because it won't touch their base, it's the normie crowd that will have to live with that shit. P.S. Well, this is actually maybe not what you need, but what would provide you with a different perspective on the world. Unless you are already rich, that is. An experience that might lead to new insight rather than a treatment. I certainly wouldn't complain if I had more money XD (as long as it doesn't come with annoying curses or with me losing a lot of time) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 17:50:02 GMT -5
I think that it is sad that the merit of work cannot be honored, just because of some bullshit that has nothing to do with the work itself.
Anyway, I am happy that my projects made it to number 1 on Moddb on more than one occasion. I have been in PC gamer, Destructiod, kotaku, and Icaruslives thinks a project I helped make is one of his favorite doom total conversion mods. All without ever winning a single cacoward. I doubt many cacoward winners have done what I have.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 18:01:41 GMT -5
I knew the DW mods probably didn't like me for some disagreements. But I always hope work would be judged by its merit. Seeing that post makes me wonder if it is actually more of a matter of being personally liked, rather than the content of your mod... I think the answer is clear. It is not an impartial process.
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Post by lunchlunch on Aug 8, 2021 18:20:56 GMT -5
I'd say not being able to read a username goes pretty far beyond autism. Pretty ableist, pretty problematic. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 18:32:41 GMT -5
I think that it is sad that the merit of work cannot be honored, just because of some bullshit that has nothing to do with the work itself. I'm not sure if you saw my reply on the other thread which was about this topic, but my basic argument was thus: If we, along with many other Doom players and enthusiasts, acknowledge how good DBP 37 is, and we simultaneously realize how corrupt, toxic, and biased Doomworld has become, we should not care whether or not DBP 37 gets a Cacoward. A "Cacoward" is simply an award given out by Doomworld. From doomwiki.org: "The Cacowards are an annual feature at Doomworld, released on Doom's birthday, to recognize the year's best mods. Stephen Browning (Scuba Steve) is credited with the original concept."So as you can see. a Cacoward has no special magical powers. It does not grant you money, better health, or noticeably improve your life, and it isn't sanctioned and blessed by Jesus Christ himself. It's just a bunch of high-ranking Doomworld people naming their favorite projects. That's all!!! So if I know in my heart that a project is great, and I also know that many, many other Doom enthusiasts have been exposed to said project and agree that it's great, and I also know that Doomworld plays favorites and rewards all their friends and fellow snowflakes rather than awarding projects in an unbiased fashion, their "award" simply ceases to have any credibility in my eyes. ADDENDUMNow, one might mount an argument against what I've just said, stating that a reason why we should care is because due to Doomworld's size and outreach potential, not calling attention to great projects with a Cacoward might limit the exposure of such projects. To some degree, this is a fair point. But I think we as a group can work to counteract this via a little extra work on our end. 1. Engage in more promotion of our own to spread the word about our projects and also those which WE think are great. Why haven't we created a Doomer Boards Awards? I even came up with a catchy name for it: Caccolade. Get it? Cacodemon...accolade...Caccolade. I know, it's glorious. 2. Keep making great projects! The more we make that are snubbed, the more people will realize that Doomworld is biased against us. 3. Make the site more appealing to Doom enthusiasts, and promote the site itself. |
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Post by 40oz on Aug 8, 2021 19:59:51 GMT -5
Caccolade is actually really fun to say. i like it.
edit: The meme is you have to write it in green
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