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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2021 21:27:23 GMT -5
I personally disagree with many views of most members here and I still feel welcome every time I visit. DW can't COMPREHEND the absence of a hivemind and everyone being able to state THEIR OWN opinion. Quoting for emphasis, because that's the point of Doomer Boards on every topic outside of Doom. Endless, see above quote. So one of the points of this place is to allow doomers to discuss topics outside of Doom without suppressing people's opinions. Because doomers do have interests outside of doom, that they want to discuss with other doomers for whatever reason, and this is the only place where highly charged opinions are accepted, meaning your passion for doom doesn't get interrupted by bans coming out of nowhere, etc. If anyone on Doomer Boards feels offended by something, it is their problem, not someone else's. Learn to handle disagreements like a socially adequate adult. Yes, Thy Flesh Consumed is Wild West, and intends on staying that way. Proudly. The "Doom community happenings" is called this way because when thread was created, "doom community" exactly referred to the doomworld. So yes, these are "doomworld happenings", and it doesn't receive new posts to represent doomer boards, but the new posts are from users who are concerned over doomworld's state of things. Concerned why? For many users, doomworld was once their home - or for those who never registered there, could have become, until its personality changed, like if doomworld became mentally ill with schizophenia. In fact, it's not even "like", it is the schizophenia. The staff at doomworld is fucking mental, and their users constantly self-flaggelate to avoid trouble. Some have excuses for it - like being directly stalked by dew, the attack dog (the staff's little bitch), others see what has happened to such people and do it without prompt, to pay tributes to the staff, be seen as "rightfully-minded" (in the eyes of schizophenic DW staff) and thus maybe earn their protection. Regardless of the reasons, self-flagellation is not a healthy thing. No one should be compelled to do it. And you would really think that we won't condemn this state of things, on an adjacent forum dedicated to the same passion that unites all of us Doomer Boarders here, Doom? Ha! DW earned its negative reputation among the users who choose to dwell here. People here would like to connect with a larger network of doomers, but they don't want to pay tributes to mentally ill staff running the doomworld! The doomworld is a pivotal point of conflict between two legitimate interests: - connect with a larger network of people that discuss doom - avoid having to cater to any particular viewpoint to avoid getting banned. It meets the former but it misses the latter. And Doomer boards allows the latter but doesn't have the former as of present. And at last, do you also protest about the fact that Doomworld has "Everything else" subforum? If the answer is no, then your position is not consistent. If it is yes, well, you see, this place does recognize doomers sometimes want to discuss other things too, so your proposition won't get accepted. I oppose your proposition, and I presume a lot of people will do so as well. And no, this thread or forum isn't going to be redefined to be friendlier to DW's schizophenia. The Doomer Boards foundation is built on solid principles, and defines itself rather than through relation to other communities or how they are seen by other communities. This place is deliberately open to any doomer, regardless of their views on an arbitrary subject outside of doom.
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Post by gomklaxon on Aug 7, 2021 21:51:43 GMT -5
One thing is true, you guys spend waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much time talking shit about Doomworld, making shitpost threads, politics, racial issues, sex, or people you dislike. Although I've only been a member of this forum for a couple of hours and guest for much, much longer, I can agree on that. Though as much as I want everyone including myself to stop giving a shit about politics and such, it's not easy to do when it keeps getting shoved in your face from elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2021 21:59:59 GMT -5
gomklaxon, your opinion might change if you spend some time bonding with other people. It is easy to hide your views when you don't feel any strong connections to other people. The tongue loosens the less strangers the other people become to you. Or at least this is how it is with me. I can put a mask of highly-intelligent, restrained, moderate and reserved person - when I'm novice somewhere. However, as inevitable social links are established, that becomes costly to keep up. You can see I've given up keeping it on doomer boards long time ago. I did keep it up for sometime when I just got registered. On doomer boards, being yourself is a virtue, and being allowed to talk about politics (and other things) from any side and with whatever emotional intensity is how we realize that virtue.
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Post by dn on Aug 7, 2021 22:23:19 GMT -5
Or at least this is how it is with me. I can put a mask of highly-intelligent, restrained, moderate and reserved person O wad some Pow'r the giftie gie us To see oursels as ithers see us
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Post by joe-ilya on Aug 7, 2021 23:06:07 GMT -5
We just have to deal with the fact that some people are going to be uncomfortable in registering into a forum that has people with shitty opinions, while other people can deal with it and know how to ignore them. DW bans people with shitty opinions to make it more friendly for outsiders, and in result is a bigger community; that's what's important to them, unlike here, where the ill-opiniated people are kept because they like Doom and it's all that matters to 40oz.
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Post by dmdr on Aug 8, 2021 0:00:55 GMT -5
bad take joe DW is a bigger community because DW is a bigger community. If you want Doom that's where you go; type 'doom forum' or 'doom community' into your search engine of choice and see what the first result is. Back in the day back when it was 'toxic' ( as per this thread) it was the biggest Doom site too. Don't underestimate inertia.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 0:22:56 GMT -5
Correct dmdr, and wrong joe-ilya. Yes doomworld allowed for some very blunt in the past, which didn't affect its size in the slightest - it was big back then already. As a side note, the fact that doomer boards is a smaller community also makes every doomer valuable, regardless of their opinion outside of doom. Bigger communities technically allow to view people as expendable, while smaller communities don't have the luxury to ban people too much. Thus the DW style moderation won't be even feasible here - the forum would become a ghost town if such a strict/schizophrenic moderation were to be installed. And I disagree there are people who are shitty here. Rather, we all tend to have some very fucked up opinions, but some worthy opinions too. Shame the spergouts, not the people. The majority of people have the capacity to act in a good way and be beneficial to the community, even if they don't always make the effort. The doomworld being a big community isn't forced to appreciate that and can expel any people for just one instance of a bad behavior, or just some behavior that the party doesn't like even if it is not bad at all but actually sane. In short, doomworld is too big to fail. The reason it is big has nothing to do with moderation, but it enables the moderation to be fucked if the staff so wishes, and unfortunately that won't force it collapse. It would be good if it were forced to learn to compromise.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 0:27:22 GMT -5
Also you need to forgive other people for their imperfection if you want your imperfection to be forgiven in turn. I prefer the forum where imperfections, or shitty opinions, are tolerated for this reason. Some day you will need other people to be able to forgive you. You don't get on doomworld, but you have it here. Disagreements can be resolved in the long run.
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Post by deathevokation on Aug 8, 2021 3:17:01 GMT -5
Nice thread you've got there, Rd. Be a shame if someone took a big, seething, buttmadd shit all over it. postimg.cc/qtrgSmRjhaha, that 2001 part was directed at my first post in this thread, I don't recall ever being able to say that word, but ok.. either way Mushroomguy's posts alongside his avatar make more sense if you read them as if it's coming from a parasite that's taken control of some poor paralytic host's brain and is forcing him to ragepost all while denying him basic hygiene, hydration and the medication he needs until he can finally hit send . When I played AV for the first time I used to love reading unhinged and passionate rants and articles of it.. getting angry over seeing people praise poorly designed Zdoom garbage with flat level design and ripped textures is a feeling I genuinely miss, getting excited when a level's atmosphere and layout hits the perfect harmonized note is something I really miss too.. also, the best wads from that era are genuinely exciting and inspiring, so ofcourse a certain era of DW was fun to read and precious to me and I'm not gonna apologize for that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 4:06:01 GMT -5
deathevokation, the easiest explaination is that he reaches for keyboard whenever he is out of mushrooms, and tries to reach that level of euphoria by means of social reciprocality with other DW users. Which inevitably places him among our haters, because of how DW staff defines the conduct it accepts and what it or the clique closely associated with it directly or indirectly allows to be reciproced. The system of likes makes presence or absence of reciprocality require less effort to ascertain - via analyzing numbers rather than reading other people posts and having to process all the tiny details of their opinions, and thus more easily to develop a dependence on; sanctions such as warnings and bans hint which posts shouldn't be liked. Just like the muscles that are not being worked degrade to levels of atrophy, "like system" eventually leads to atrophy of cognition, an atrophy of capacity to do research and form independent opinion. People instead begin to parrot other people attitudes. And given that the DW staff's and clique's attitudes are shitty attitudes, you have in effect contagious schizophrenia ravaging the doomworld. It's good that like system didn't last on doomer boards, and that admins' work doesn't get in the way of the daily user interactions here. Our admins do actually think hard when making decisions, mind you, and they never rush them. The actions that touch the surface of public consciousness far in between. People delete their accounts far more often than they get banned.
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Post by mrthejoshmon on Aug 8, 2021 4:48:58 GMT -5
Fuck sake, I hate to explain myself but seeing as though I got the Sunday shift and fuck all else is going on I may as well.
First of all, I stated why I left there not to "appease Doomworld" or whatever crackpot shit some loon keeps going on about, but because I wanted to actually let the 3 people I actually like here know why because we both know you'd read that thread.
I left because, as stated, I genuinely believe that me being here will just generate conflict because I can't stand some of you and your radical opinions (and as shown here, the bizarro tinfoil conspiracy level nutjobbery), this community is small and I quite frankly contributed so little to creative works here that all I really did was fight and argue with other members.
Now I can't be arsed to be involved in endless conflict for the sake of being able to engage in occasional shitposting, definitely not something I want to be a part of, and to single one of you out I don't know what the fuck you've been smoking you actual psychopath but for fuck sake lay off it, get laid and throw out your noteboard chronicling the Doomworld conspiracy or at the very least please take my picture off it.
I act upon my my own agency, not some higher power, I am fucking nobody on Doomworld and I have no involvement with whatever meth dream you've made up, piss off would you kindly?
Also, I can't betray you if I was never on your side, so don't take it to heart.
And Xeep stay based, aight, I do miss your shitposting.
And as for the Eugenics post, I know the context for it, still never justifiable, amuse me and try to justify your stance you irredeemable monster.
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Post by ProfessorBigDick on Aug 8, 2021 5:16:35 GMT -5
Lol, mushroom man does have a ragepost problem. I remember he shat an autistic brick of a post on /vr/ and it kept getting deleted and reposted over and over, I think it clocked in at a total of 5 reposts, all by himself. Funny stuff. Yes, i'm ignoring the larger happening at hand here because this guy's funnier to me.
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Post by good-old on Aug 8, 2021 5:23:38 GMT -5
Correct dmdr , and wrong joe-ilya . Yes doomworld allowed for some very blunt in the past, which didn't affect its size in the slightest - it was big back then already. As a side note, the fact that doomer boards is a smaller community also makes every doomer valuable, regardless of their opinion outside of doom. Bigger communities technically allow to view people as expendable, while smaller communities don't have the luxury to ban people too much. Thus the DW style moderation won't be even feasible here - the forum would become a ghost town if such a strict/schizophrenic moderation were to be installed. And I disagree there are people who are shitty here. Rather, we all tend to have some very fucked up opinions, but some worthy opinions too. Shame the spergouts, not the people. The majority of people have the capacity to act in a good way and be beneficial to the community, even if they don't always make the effort. The doomworld being a big community isn't forced to appreciate that and can expel any people for just one instance of a bad behavior, or just some behavior that the party doesn't like even if it is not bad at all but actually sane. In short, doomworld is too big to fail. The reason it is big has nothing to do with moderation, but it enables the moderation to be fucked if the staff so wishes, and unfortunately that won't force it collapse. It would be good if it were forced to learn to compromise. Third or fourth time in a row I'm just saying I agree with something instead of writing something of my own, but I couldn't have said it better. Opinions can't really be bad or good though. Opinions are just someone's view on something. Also ProfessorBigDick he also joined and left quite a number of times, he first joined to talk about his suspension at DW and later left because he felt Xeep said he doesn't care about his ban, and then returned to post some more some time later, then deleted his account because of an actually lit post against DW made here which dew saw, talked about and the coolclub followed to gangbang him, and then he returned again regretting the deletion, and then he deleted his account again, this time probably forever.
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Post by deathevokation on Aug 8, 2021 5:55:50 GMT -5
Now I can't be arsed to be involved in endless conflict for the sake of being able to engage in occasional shitposting, I think that's fair tbh.. I personally moved to Final Fantasy XIV because everything's just more lighthearted and the community is just very wholesome and everyone in my guild is really warm and friendly ingame.. it's like night and day compared to what I was used to, I did bring one clue from what I learned from here and DW, and it's to steer any conversation away from politics in the least condescending way possible and everything's been fine.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 6:42:48 GMT -5
mrthejoshmon, you left because you believe you are one righteous fuck whose only business here was correcting those who err (in your own biased view) or you doing shitposts that don't harm anyone. You didn't care about demoing if you didn't feel like mapping, and you don't think you were ever erring yourself and thus never desired to tolerate others to be tolerated in return. Suffice to say, doomer boards was poor fit for the person you are. p.s. also nobody mentioned you besides xeepeep, so I have no idea who you want to take picture out of whose imagination. I don't care about you anyway, your absence was in fact convenient to me, I don't like Christians much.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 6:54:07 GMT -5
mrthejoshmon, also I've never seen the post on DW you are talking about, because I never located the thread on DW that was mentioned the last time. I didn't read your post, fuck your personal reasons, they have nothing to do with the fact particular members do a spin every once in a while, which can be observed even with what gets quoted / screenshoted. What was called "self-flagellation" here, basically, it wasn't me who brought this term into conversation. Your issues with doomer boards are of no consequence. The world doesn't revolve around you, pretentious twat. We are discussing doomworld happenings, not the reasons for your leaving here. And I, for one, wasn't focusing on individual members (besides mushroomman), but on the groupthink and mindfuckery itself. And who cares whether you are mindfucked or not, when there are enough people on DW who are, and the DW staff is responsible for this mindfuckery. Also,I am not going to perform actions for amusements of one absolutely irrelevant man, whose opinion is also of no relevancy to me. Go to KiwiFarms to consume the mass product, it is the place where people go to for amusements and justifications, there is enough stars performing there. You don't deserve a personal package. To recount a line from "Barkley, Shut Up And Jam: Gaiden": "This is called survival of the fittest. If you can't slam with the best, then jam with the rest".
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Post by zedonk on Aug 8, 2021 6:55:25 GMT -5
Plenty of my closest friends are Christians, I wouldn't be where I am now without them. But in any group of people, there are going to be good ones and bad ones.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 7:01:48 GMT -5
zedonk, I'm not against Christians on these boards per se, I was implying I had one less person to argue against when he was gone, so if it were a vain gesture then he actually made my life easier by leaving.
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Post by 40oz on Aug 8, 2021 7:06:51 GMT -5
re: eugenics/transphobia/homophobia/xenophobia: It sucks we always have to be the ones to deal with it, but doomworld created its own problem. Since this forum pretty much started as the net that would catch banned doomworld members, those banned members often start their posting here, testing the waters by talking about what they definitely cannot talk about on doomworld. Since the undefined rules are, in effect, respect mah authoritah, hate speech is forbidden, adapt to our train of thinking, etc. We basically end up dealing with a lot of rebels for the sake of being rebels (idiots)
If given the chance to get it out of their system, they really don't have much to add on these topics. They just make themselves look like assholes for a few minutes. Then it becomes "oh i guess im actually allowed to be myself here" and then they go back to playing doom again, as they should. It's as simple as that.
tl;dr if tell people "stop doing that" then people start doing that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 7:24:58 GMT -5
This place has genuine tolerance in practice - tolerate and be tolerated in return. Yet, as the Russian saying goes, "he who goes at us with the sword, will die by the sword".
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Post by 40oz on Aug 8, 2021 7:28:15 GMT -5
also obvious reminder that doom is a fucken weird game for weird people. It's not designed to attract a loving harmonious accepting base of players. It's literally killing everything you see with guns.
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Post by zedonk on Aug 8, 2021 8:06:41 GMT -5
also obvious reminder that doom is a fucken weird game for weird people. It's not designed to attract a loving harmonious accepting base of players. It's literally killing everything you see with guns. Personally, I don't think this is specific to doom and more of a case of online text communication bringing out the worst in people. Unkindness and strange opinions seem to be ubiquitous on the internet (E.g. twitter, debate politics forum, youtube comments etc.)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 8:08:41 GMT -5
Really insulting to the intelligence of DW's userbase rd haven't insulted anyone on DW, just stated a fact they are literally that dumb\brain dead they believe everything moderators saying. Ah and yes, not a big surprise some doom lovin' (content removed) keep to cope and seethe and search for any occasion to call something or someone transphobic. AND FUCKING WARNING, that's a fact staement, not a fucking hate speech ffs. Because they need the boogeyman, you can't just take, say, Russian Doom community and pose it as an enemy, because first, it's not alive nor dead, people there are not interested in any sort of social drama and overall just silent lurkers that have their own lives and interest and not fall under breainless crowd category, because we, RDC members, are pretty much loners each and everyone in particular. Doomer Boards though... well, we all have been on DW at some point, right? some of us are permabanned, some temporarily, some folks keep walking on both sides of the street and that seem to be okay, at some point... I don't know, it's hard to tell what is normal these days...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 8:14:06 GMT -5
zedonk, the creators of Doom had their share of fucked up opinions before online text communication reached the levels of today. John Romero, IIRC, believed that the player who won in deathmatch can use gests or say something to humiliate the loser. Doom has "sucks" being written in place of time to complete the level if time reached/exceeds 1 hour (value can be customized in some source ports). The difficulty levels are called "skill levels", and the degree of mockery in difficulty level names varies between id games. Also, I don't feel this much at odds with doomer boards community, as controversial as some of my opinions are, compared to certain real-life parties I was involved it. I don't need to even speak forward my opinions to know whether I fit in a community or whether I feel misplaced. I don't feel misplaced being a doomer boards user.
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Post by thisshitsux on Aug 8, 2021 8:14:35 GMT -5
Lol, mushroom man does have a ragepost problem. I remember he shat an autistic brick of a post on /vr/ and it kept getting deleted and reposted over and over, I think it clocked in at a total of 5 reposts, all by himself. Funny stuff. Yes, i'm ignoring the larger happening at hand here because this guy's funnier to me. You might want to hit your crack pipe a couple more times and get your head straight, because I have never even visited /vr/. You're so fucking delusional you don't even know who or what you're talking about. I don't even know what the fuck /vr/ even is. I'd say not being able to read a username goes pretty far beyond autism.
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