2021 Annual Doomerboards Spergout

I think that's a good thing. Taking care of family is constructive use of time. I realized a couple years ago that arguing politics with Doomers was a waste of time and could only result in further pointless community division. There are other places much better suited to political bedshitting now, it's not like it was in the older era where arguing politics and religion was a cool gimmick, now the entire damn internet is covered in it constantly. I just got so bored of having it mixed in with Doom as well, so I backed off from the forums. Didn't force my decision on anyone else, just decided I was largely through with it. I just couldn't let these conspiracies related to Doom wads go unquestioned though.. I think the idea that if some wads vigilantdoomer likes don't win it "proves" this or that is bullshit. He just wants yet another reason to write pages of crap about DW when/if his wads of choice don't win and he's planting those seeds now. It's obvious to me and it goes outside the realm of "regular political shit argumentation" so I felt compelled to say my piece..

I told y'all Doom Damnation deserved a cacoward FIVE YEARS AGO!!!!!!!!!! My favourite megawad to this day, definitely gonna play E4 when I feel like it

This "shitcan", as you call it, has produced some absolutely incredible maps from a variety of talented mappers.  In fact, it produces a bunch of them once every month.  Unlike Doomworld, this shitcan actually allows discussions about politics and other "sensitive" topics without resorting to locking threads, giving condescending warnings, shadow-banning, or other shitty practices.  This shitcan doesn't support or enable needlessly rude, abusive, or smug moderators.  And this shitcan isn't run by a hypocritical clique of entitled whiners who impose their ideologies onto others.  So yeah, I'll take this "shitcan" anyday over the extreme leftist (content removed) dystopia that is Doomworld.

And you're damn right a lot of us got banned from DW, but pretending that it was all our fault because we're such a bunch of immature speds is a grotesque fabrication.  And you know it.  No one here is buying the bullshit you're trying to sell, dude.

I don't know who you are but your feeble attempt at character assassination won't work here, asshole. Go back to whatever hole you climbed out of and fuck off.

While the first sentence surely a valid point by itself, the second is just pure bonkers and reveals to me you apparently didn't really read the thread nor did you understand me otherwise. Can't blame you for not reading thread, as I can't be bothered to read the last two pages with sufficient scrutiny as well (time is too precious to waste it on this thread). But you are also making ungrounded speculations about what I'm going to do, and what I'm doing now. You have misjudged me, because you don't really even lurk around this forum anymore just as I don't wander around doomworld. If I were to speculate, I would think that you are trying to win the points on DW by arguing with us, but I don't award much credits to such speculations, contrary to what you may have thought.

The statements to the effect of "we are not going to win the cacowards" and "they are doing this so they have an excuse not to award Auger;Zenith a cacoward" were not made by me, and in fact I am amused that other members posted them in advance - even before the rd's posts on his profile.

I personally don't care for the cacowards and doomworld anymore since the incident with DW staff (Not Jabba in particular) going after and banning Shadowman, even mentioning his contribution to the Whitemare 2, which won cacowards years ago IIRC, in negative light, and given the fact that recent cacowards weren't as fun to me as they used to be. That incident was a load of bullshit, and none here or on RDC would stand by DW's side of this. Don't even bother going against us on Shadowman, you'll trash all your reputation here.

Now, I don't even visit doomworld unless someone posts HERE, on doomer boards, about yet another fucked up thing going on doomworld, in which case I feel compelled - even if annoyed - to check it out.

If you had read this thread, you would find out that I'm not much interested in parallel awards thing, BUT other people here DO care about awards, and do believe cacoward replacement is necessary, Thus I'll have to support that idea. As for my personal opinion, I don't care about top ten wads, I care about wads I would have fun to play, and that means that some better idea than the awards needs to be created. I've suggested a searchable repository of reviews for wads, with tags. This way everyone would be able to find wads to their liking, because award-winning was is not necessarily fun to play (because "fun" and "award-winning" here effectively are subjective opinions of different people).

So no, I am not a conspirologist. Now the part that would be obvious by reading this thread: when DW members came to argue, I participated in rebutting their arguments, because their arguments consisted of insults and subjective opinions they tried to present as truth or superior system of values. And yes, I did make a note about "Dynamite Duchess should win a cacoward or the staff is biased against some people and some works", which can be disputed, but then again, let's return to the fact that I don't care what some jury thinks the top X wads are. What I really think is that people allocate cacowards more hype than it deserves, that new people do look to cacowards to find stuff to play, and how would it be possible to "market" (bad word, needs a replacement) stuff they can actually enjoy instead.

As for "arguing politics with doomers a waste of time", that's just your opinion, which may be valid for you and your character, but not for others here. There are apparently people here who do want to discuss politics with other doomers, as tense as it can get, and enough that are capable of respecting each other afterwards.

p.s. as for cacowards, award whatever the hell you want, and yes I didn't play the nominations, nor even knew what the nominations where, nor I do even care about them. This forum alone generates enough backlog for me, I could be as well playing only what gets mentioned here. Also careful with postulating that doomer boards consists (or consisted in the past) of bad people who were deservedly banned or burned the bridge out of teenage spite. You should know better than this. One of the people who burned the bridge was darknation, for example, who was part of DW's Old Guard, he is a co-admin here and every single of his posts is gold treasure. And even people you or I could call problematic have actually proven their merit on this forum. The doomer boards is a true people-first haven, we don't have problematic people, but we have people who occassionally act in a flawed way, but are capable of acting better, and I would argue that in this thread you actually brought the worst part of yourself you were usually capable of suppressing, and will be hopefully be able to suppress in future.

tl;dr don't speculate about what I'm doing or going to do please, and know that unlike some other people I don't put much investments into speculations. If something you read suggests otherwise, it might have been the result of debate too tense to keep it fair when the other side obviously ignores all rules of polite debate.

These morons will keep coming. Just saying.
And all of them bring their "evidences" from civvie11's discord server. Yes, THAT civvie.

Get the riddance, boys.
web.archive.org/web/20210819004857/https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/123987-banning-of-wads-hyper%E2%80%93moderation-and-the-recent-issues-at-doomworld/

Well, firmly moderated and welcoming as possible are actually mutually exclusive, as evidenced by exactly what goes on there. You are not going to feel welcome if you feel like there is a crosshair on you, and that you will be shot on spot the first time you cross some invisible line.

When Endless made a post criticising mods decisions, it was deleted, and in comments there were people concerned they will be put on a watch list discussing this. There were also shadowbans and other non-transparent things happening. Does it look like a welcome place? Not even remotely.

Stop trying to defend the indefensible. It does not crack down hard on negative comments about race and gender, but rather on arbitrary things like position on COVID-19 measures and the like which ARE debatable, because no measures implemented so far are safe by any margin (including being safe to mental health, as it is sometimes more important than people's lives by the way). The moderation there engages in ostracising and attacking a person, in defamation - in trying paint them like an evil being they are actually not - which happened with Shadowman, Impie and others.

It also has a monopoly on certain things like cacowards, and some external force should bring down that monopoly, hard. Just like anti-monopoly laws are good things that also justify government interference into economy, we gotta develop some measures to kick your platform from the center onto the periphery of dooming network. And that will be highly justified.

Doomworld is not the same site it was when I started visiting 5 years ago, at all.

But 25 years holy shit. To think Ling is 40. How is he not bored of it yet.

Yeah well I've been there just as long as you and I disagree completely. I've also seen how some of these people operate from the inside so I know about the smear campaigns and the dogpiling first hand. I'm an openly gay man and I'd much rather be around people who can speak freely than those afraid of some multi-headed Cerberus from the shadows accountable to no one, judging everything that isn't themselves. Talk about feeling unwelcome.

How does that explain why the mall is banning my house?