2021 Annual Doomerboards Spergout

Scuba is saying that he wishes people made actual community projects instead of DBPs, which are supposed to be a "mapping gym" as 40oz put it once. I don't see why is everyone mad about it, that's a very reasonable position and I even agree to an extent.

People can do actual community projects in Doom Projects subforum. They just don't do it for some reason. And I don't see a point in replacing DBPs with regular community projects. The beauty of DBP is that if certain month sucks for you, the next month will be another theme anyway.

That's a lot of words used to completely gloss over my complaints... You DO have to find 3 random teacups spread out over 5+ different maps and place them on an arbitrary table in one room. You DO have to place heads on statues, but only specific ones... I wouldn't recommend Hexen to a casual player and I wouldn't recommend Dynamite Dutchess to a casual player... it's simply too cryptic for anyone who doesn't have hours to slog through a massive item hunt... or bowl repeatedly until it breaks for some unknown reason. "Non linear" doesn't have to mean "wander aimlessly until you possibly find what you're looking for."

Total Chaos was mentioned for the Mordeth and Ship of Theseus--for its technical marvel--not because it was fun. Completely moot point. If you feel the need to throw yourself on this grenade because you feel personally threatened that someone might find technical faults with a project that agrees with your political philosphy, knock yourself out. I'm just telling you tehnical issues the project has that would need to be ironed out before I'd recommend casual players try it out.

scubasteve, your complaints are not objective for fuck's sake, I'm telling you this for yet another time. Yes, I do need to spend time on this game, and I wouldn't recommend it to someone who only has 15 minutes before sleep to play and be over with it, or to someone who plays without saves. Yes I might be feeling stuck at times, but no matter which cryptic path I went, and in what order I've collected the items/inserted them, there is a way forward that I will find eventually (the project is surprisingly well-tested in this regard). Yes this is not your typical shooter, and I am completely ok with that. Yes there are classes of damage, and you do need to dig what enemy is vulnerable/resilient to what damage type/weapon on medium and higher difficulties, I'm surprised you weren't frustrated with this, because this is actually harder than finding occasional objects you missed. Yes the soundtrack is absolute dope, but then again, tastes differ and maybe someone doesn't like this music genre, just as you don't like Hexen-like gameplay. Yes this game might eventually become completely standalone, it feels that way already. And it would be cool if this game was recognised so that people actually interested in this kind of gameplay are able to find it.

No, I am not personally threatened about someone finding technical faults even if he does. So far, you are just being rude, what's with you calling Impie a "pariah", telling him he needed to respect your "critical thrashing" that is purely subjective, or even "knock yourself out" line you addressed to me. You also use loaded words that attribute judgement to whatever you say. There is nothing wrong with the actual activity you described as "wandering aimlessly" except for the way you put it into words. Sadly, I'm not good at putting my experience into words either - and hence why my post also tend to be so large, but my experience with this game felt very good, and award-worthy. I also consider the Cheogsh trilogy to be award worthy, even if I have a lot to complain about third installment (I played it on UV difficulty, and I also suck at platforming). Cheogsh trilogy had Hexen gameplay on steroids, if you don't like Hexen you'll cry oceans on these. It did get a cacoward and two runner-ups, and if you think time have changed and it shouldn't even get it today, well suffice to say I am disagreeing a lot with the decision making behind cacowards.

Yes, Cheogshes, for instance, are absolutely NOT for "casual players" as per your definition - that is someone expecting the game to play exactly like Doom wads held in high esteem by specific community as dictated by people who specifically spent a lot of time in this community and reached an agreement on what is a good gameplay. There are a lot of people who never registered into this specific community, and that have played Doom for their own enjoyment, and where this people to suddenly coalesce into community, you might find that the way they prefer to play is completely different from yours. However, because their views are at odds with the DW community, they are not feeling welcome in it, are not registering or are bullied away by it.

Thus don't even get me started at how legitimate do I think your definition of "casual player" is. In fact, I'm thinking we should strike out "switch hunts are bad" and other tropes that DW community believes in, and rather look for the ways to reach out and get feedback from people who may have completely different perspective on what is fun and what is not. People who may not even want their Doom to be fast pace, etc. There are a few topics on that in "Mapping Workshop", and I recall writing something alongside an FDA to some DBP that was in development that highlighted stuff that pertains to how I think gameplay can make or break the perception of the map world as a virtual reality and not simply a map with gameplay. For example, I hinted that lava should be damaging, and that someone would walk into it expecting it to be damaging, and will feel odd if he doesn't take damage, and that such acts as walking into lava don't make sense gameplay-wise but do make sense when one is probing the limits of virtual reality (does the immersion break somewhere or not). I'm not going to repeat that here.

P.S. You are not the only person that feels like a visitor with an account and not a doomer-boarder, that is, there is a distinctive vibe about you. I've noticed certain people with the same vibe (I don't know how to call you precisely, but you spend most of your time on DW) have the propensity to come across as rude. Might be because the community of your choice - doomworld - is toxic and conditioned you to pass judgement on other people or just any stuff, thinking you are making valuable feedback that way? Because that's what toxic means - a toxic community is a community that warps your mind in such a way you are acting that way everywhere you go. I would actually point out people who I believe to be toxic, but I have no time for such extensive arguments.
P.P.S. Ha, I think I might be onto something into figuring out why Doomworld community is toxic and how that toxicity is made up. You like to act like judges (or critics), and there is like a consensus so that people are conditioned to judge the same things - or people - the same way. Judging the same way is a way of connecting between people in your community. See, doomer boards community is made up differently, hence why it feels less toxic place to me, apart from "Thy Flesh Consumed" subforum, where people go up to eleven with their confidence that they are right, and thus pass judgement on other people/stuff just like you Doomworlders do everywhere, and argue it to death. Our connection to each other is not due to us being chair critics, even if we occassionally engage in that too.

Levels have to be fun to get lost in for cryptic to be equated to a good thing, imo.. like how Heretic was for me.. I swear I wish I forgot everything about video games just so I can revisit that game again back when the levels felt real.

edit: ah damn... 999th post, need to save my next one for a low effort anti climatic shitpost.

That's entirely true, but don't you think that the genre being dormant (with very few exceptions) since the 90s means they're no longer popular? Same with PS1/N64 style collectathons.

So any WAD based heavily on puzzles and collecting things will always be a love-it or hate-it affair.

Wait weren't you unfairly considered a fascist at one point?

That's actual criticism of the wad itself. Too bad your opening statement was about someone's political opinion that you didn't like (even though I agree that it's misinfo).

Also wtf man, you know we aren't "fascist" so why are you all up in our shit like this? This is pure hyperbole. We also aren't all of the same opinions. For example I strongly support vaccines, while some don't. I speak my mind about it, but we don't hate one another for those differences.

I never called anyone a fascist. What are you referring to? I said a good chunk of the original 40-50 people here were just banned Doomworld refugees, many of whom intentionally burned their bridges/relationship with Doomworld.. That's not calling anyone fascist, but it's the truth behind the origin story of these boards. Reply to what I've actually said man, the shit about the Cacowards, rather than one sentence I hastily ranted off then decided to delete (which still had nothing to do with fascism..)

My bad, I should have been clearer. Tbh, I didn't read the thread and someone linked a DW post of some guy I never heard of calling us fascist and that was the reason why DBP37 can't win a cacoward. I thought was the reason for the thread tbh. I'm pretty aloof to what is happening nowadays.