|
Post by deathevokation on Jan 12, 2021 16:01:10 GMT -5
No one I know is celebrating Ashli Babbits death. The insurrection is stupid and the accusation of it being orchestrated by antifa agents is the weakest form of self victimization I've ever seen come from trump supporters. Its also tougher to sympathize with than say, protestors that got run over by police cars in NYC, the man tho had his skull cracked open in Buffalo, or kids who had their masks yanked off so the cop could pepper spray them in the face, but everyone I consider more left than me is principally aligned in that the police shouldn't be killing anyone. you're not being honest, i never said it was orchestrated by them, i said there WERE antifa plants and angry protesters.. even if agitators weren't there I'm pretty sure the outcome would have been the same with eceleb grifters like Baked Alaska streaming themselves going in and breaking federal laws for content and well.. protestors, my point was the police opening a back entrance inviting desperate protestors in (only for another cop further in the building to execute one of them that was climbing through a window) was one of the dumbest fucking things I've seen in my life, or the most evil, anyone with a brain that was forced to sit through the dirty laundry that America had been airing in the past 6 months should know how mob protest mentality works. They'd been planning the protest for days and people were larping hard on social media and in broad daylight at public rallies.. you don't just let protesters inside the building you're supposed to protect unless you want to use them for a pretext for something else. Over here an accusation that later gets proven false can lead to someone getting necklaced and hacked apart by people that were just moments ago shopping or doing their grind.. that's how much mob mentality can change people. Also that fat shit's take has an alarming number of likes for something that doesn't represent the far left.. and there's been an alarming amount of similar tweets that go under the radar because they're connected to smaller accounts for it not to be indicative of the far left.. at first I thought they were imitating what the right were saying about how Floyd should have just obeyed the law but then I realized they were serious and had the exact same response when that proudboy got shot too. PS: we single out media because of how much power they have.. Fox News also took a big dip in ratings these last two months.
|
|
40oz
diRTbAg
Posts: 5,535
|
Post by 40oz on Jan 13, 2021 14:02:43 GMT -5
i never said it was orchestrated by them, i said there WERE antifa plants I'm not giving Tim Pool 25 minutes of my time. What is the actual evidence?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 16:41:26 GMT -5
He posted the video link. Either watch it or acknowledge that you are too lazy to be intellectually honest. We're not here to spoon-feed you data and arguments. Besides, you always find a way to employ some logical fallacy to try to claim evidence presented to you is no good.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 16:54:07 GMT -5
If what Trump said was incitement to violence then what is this? Whatever violence the extreme part of the right starts from now on, the Democrats and the mainstream media are at least partly responsible for creating the atmosphere that would enable it and they have been doing it for years. Man against woman, black against white. I could go on. I wish I could keep this dumb shit in your country but if history is any indication, it's coming over here too.
|
|
40oz
diRTbAg
Posts: 5,535
|
Post by 40oz on Jan 13, 2021 20:24:04 GMT -5
I'm not seeing anything.
|
|
GRUG
Doomer
30 year old boomer
Posts: 699
|
Post by GRUG on Jan 13, 2021 20:57:09 GMT -5
They found a BLM activist who participated in the breach of the capital (though not labeled "antifa" still basically echoing the point that there were some people on the left that appear to have been involved in the breach, possibly as plants): He is now arrested.
Also, I would not trust Google's algorithm. It's no secret that they filter / censor political information.
|
|
40oz
diRTbAg
Posts: 5,535
|
Post by 40oz on Jan 13, 2021 21:12:59 GMT -5
Here's my thoughts on why there wasn't as much destruction, few deaths, and that the building was breached with relative ease. My understanding thus far is this: The george floyd protests were distinctly anti-police and filled with progressive teenagers, minorities, and unarmed liberals. The police felt as though they were fair game and completely at liberty to teargas them and beat them to a pulp without fear of consequences. The protestors have been saying since the beginning that they have been protesting peacefully, but when police instigate the violence, thats when things start to get out of control. You can't just sit there and take it when threat of a fascist takeover is this imminent. The protestors don't just stand there and watch their friends get clocked over the head with a baton. I can't claim that I saw any undercover police or rightwing plants in the protests with my own eyes. I only saw some sparse things that looked kinda suspect but I can't really confirm from memory if they were definitely undercover police or trump supporters or anything. I did find some recorded cell phone videos and photos that are highly suspicious and i posted them in the thread. I tend to believe actual people more than a news network or famous youtube guy who filters everything he hears to report it in a way that's consistent with his political base. In the trump rally in washington, a lot of attendees are US military personnell, or off-duty police themselves. Trump is very pro-police and the police support him in return. The police are a brotherhood first, before they are crime fighters. They always look out for one another. That's what they're trained to do. That's why you'll never find a police brutality video where one officer is pulling another off a suspect. They are always aligned and work together. When they're seeing their own kind in the crowd, I think they had (or chose) to be exceptionally capitulating in this riot compared to the george floyd riots. That these are the reasons they just up and let everyone in is speculation on my part, but there were definitely off-duty police inside the crowd, and I've observed this gang-like behavior from American police for a few years now. This seems entirely consistent with it. Here's some sources that report police being there because I'm an adult and can look it up myself without hearing it out of the mouth of some progressive youtube celebrity begging me to support his patreon and buying it without question. www.businessinsider.com/off-duty-cops-and-military-investigated-after-capitol-riot-2021-1In Seattle, Interim Police Chief Adrian Diaz confirmed at least two officers had been placed on administrative leave and referred to internal investigations after the department received social media posts showing the officers in Washington Wednesday.www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-protest-officials-insight/off-duty-cops-other-officials-face-reckoning-after-rallying-for-trump-in-dc-idUSKBN29I315Mathai, a jail lieutenant and 8-year veteran of the Bexar County Sheriff’s Office, approached the Capitol steps last Wednesday as rioters in front of her breached barricades.
Wearing a red, white and blue face mask with a Trump flag hanging from her back, she posed for selfies. “Not gonna lie,” said the mother of three on her Facebook page, “aside from my kids, this was, indeed, the best day of my life.”
[...]
At least two Capitol police officers have been suspended and more than a dozen others are under investigation for alleged dereliction of duty or aiding or abetting rioters.www.businessinsider.com/off-duty-cops-and-military-investigated-after-capitol-riot-2021-1Dave Ellis, a police chief in Troy, New Hampshire, told New Hampshire Public Radio that he attended Trump's rally ahead of the attack on the Capitol but left before it turned violent.www.sbs.com.au/news/off-duty-police-officers-and-firefighters-under-investigation-over-us-capitol-attackThe police department in the small town of Rocky Mount, Virginia, said on Sunday (local time) it had placed two officers on administrative leave after it learned they attended an “event” in Washington, DC on Wednesday while off-duty.
|
|
40oz
diRTbAg
Posts: 5,535
|
Post by 40oz on Jan 13, 2021 21:18:33 GMT -5
They found a BLM activist who participated in the breach of the capital (though not labeled "antifa" still basically echoing the point that there were some people on the left that appear to have been involved in the breach, possibly as plants):
Thank you, i will check this out.
|
|
40oz
diRTbAg
Posts: 5,535
|
Post by 40oz on Jan 13, 2021 22:10:29 GMT -5
Yeah he was involved in the breach. He helped organize a counter protest at the rally and he's not very discrete about who he is. He's not a plant. This is him shortly before EDIT: ok lol this is silly. This is a doctored picture, Andy Ngo. If this is a photo of him on January 6th 2020, why does the date say Dec 20th? Instagram handle "iamactivistjohn" is nowhere to be found. Also he made this brand new mugshot as the profile picture? yeah ok makes total sense.
|
|
|
Post by deathevokation on Jan 14, 2021 2:36:47 GMT -5
i never said it was orchestrated by them, i said there WERE antifa plants I'm not giving Tim Pool 25 minutes of my time. What is the actual evidence? No. If I can waste my time on a tone deaf Antifa apologist sealion whose probably a lot further left than he pretends he is all while also pretending he was in a coma for the last 4 years (and unironically posting a google search after all google has been saying about their plans to change their algorithms to put legacy media in front and hiding stuff that isn't part of the narrative and their banning of Trump's Youtube account) when I'd rather be running my guild, watching anime, playing Disgaea or finishing up a mapset then you can give 25 minutes of your time to watch Tim's stupid fucking video and you'd see that one of them was actually arrested and you could have even taken his excuse at face value. I even chose Tim specifically so you couldn't squawk about "right wing propaganda" and flex about how good you are at rejecting propaganda and now your way of worming out is you don't want to give him your time... weak. Don't be OP of a thread inviting people to defend "stop the steal" riots and be this obnoxious at the same time. The very first tweet I found 6 days ago that connected another two feds that were part of blm (and probs antifa) was purged during Twitter's last banwave. I'm not creating a second account to look for dregs that the bookburners haven't torched yet, I'm not wasting more time than you'd be saving on a place that's trying it's hardest to make me unwelcome and suspends me for actually trying to engage with antifa that were celebrating after seeing raw footage of the guy with a maga hat getting murdered because he wore a hat.
|
|
40oz
diRTbAg
Posts: 5,535
|
Post by 40oz on Jan 14, 2021 10:41:37 GMT -5
He talks about John Earle Sullivan in the video. Is that what you are talking about? I haven't heard him say the word plant yet.
|
|
|
Post by deathevokation on Jan 14, 2021 20:36:43 GMT -5
thank you for watching, I appreciate the gesture. sorry for losing my cool with you.
semi unrelated/semi related, but it looks like the worst is yet to come from big tech, Facebook has already limited Tim Pool's lukewarm page lel.
|
|
|
Post by optimus on Jan 15, 2021 4:24:54 GMT -5
Doesn't matter to me as much if there was an Antifa planted or something. It's good to know the details. But it doesn't suddenly do the events justified. Bad actors will always be in such events. And people would always claim it's not us, it was planted. When during the BLM protests was looting and destroying, the same rhetoric was used that the destruction and killings were because of far right infiltrating the movement. I was never a fun of protests anyway, not even peaceful ones, as people stop being individuals and are part of a collective when joining in the crowds.
Now what matters to me is that the left is using this to justify demonizing Trump supporters even more, purging people from the internet, the big massive swipe has started and it will get worse. The big tech suddenly has more power than the president of the USA. It doesn't let for alternative ideas to be discussed. Now, when people hear "alternative ideas" they might think it's some awful far right ideas and would be like "Ok,. but who needs those ideas?". But sometimes it's things that are not extreme in my opinion or just challenging the mainstream narrative that are labelled as far right. This is a tool to fight dissidents. Just call everything sexist, racist, bigoted and people will agree "Yeah free speech, but not for these ideas, are you a Nazi supporting them?". The bar is lowered of what speech is allowed. Now,. after the events, they can say "Look what horrible things happened when we let these people have free speech" and justify censoring and some people will get along with that.
|
|