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Post by dr_st on Jan 8, 2021 14:15:55 GMT -5
All season, my news feed was flooded with pictures and video documentation of police abuse before and during the protests, the names of the many black people shot and killed by police, or white american vigilantes who received insultingly weak sentences for murder, the names of officers who haven't been charged for murder, haven't even been fired, haven't even received disciplinary action, or have been charged but won the case through qualified immunity, etc. That's called cherry-picking. Was your feed similarly flooded with, for example, documented acts of senseless vandalism by the protestors? (you're not seriously going to claim these things didn't happen) Names of white people shot and killed by police? (they are more numerous than black people) Names and stories of police officers who got murdered by criminals while on duty? I don't think so. If you cherry-pick your evidence, you can arrive at pretty much any conclusion you want. Having read as many comments I've read, it made me absolutely sure that right and left media are delivering completely different interpretations of the same sets of facts. This has always been the case. That is why I advocate that anyone who wants to come even remotely close to seeing the full picture follows multiple sources, with different known biases. This wouldn't have to be as much of a problem as it is if more people on the right were genuinely curious about things and asking the questions just as you've highlighted above with a legitimate interest in the answers, but I almost never saw a spark of curiosity in anyone on the right at all. Comments sections of news outlets may not be the best place to witness it, but my experience is that there is tons more "curiosity" from folks on the right than from folks on the left. For starts, right-wing folks actually read/watch left-wing media, whereas left-wing folks typically don't similarly expose themselves to opposing sources, except to condescendingly refer to them as "fake news" or "propaganda". Moreover, classical liberalism, which today is overwhelmingly right-wing believes very strongly in the differing points of view, and freedom of speech, while the so-called 'progressive' left truly believe that their views are the final truth and moral high ground, and everyone who disagrees is guilty of crime-think and should be silenced.
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Post by deathevokation on Jan 8, 2021 14:20:28 GMT -5
"lets invite angry protesters and antifa plants into the capital"
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Post by 40oz on Jan 8, 2021 16:24:37 GMT -5
Was your feed similarly flooded with, for example, documented acts of senseless vandalism by the protestors? (you're not seriously going to claim these things didn't happen) Names of white people shot and killed by police? (they are more numerous than black people) Names and stories of police officers who got murdered by criminals while on duty? Yes, absolutely. That's where I found these comments. I usually don't find many of the kinds of comments I described above that aren't being summarily disparaged by hundreds of other people at once under a source that's distinctly pandering to the left. I had to intentionally seek them out by looking at sources stating the contrary to what I personally witnessed when I attended dozens of protests myself. For starts, right-wing folks actually read/watch left-wing media, I find this incredibly hard to believe. I personally find it very difficult to find any form of left wing media aside from meme groups on facebook and a few fringe youtube personalities (and these guys are heavily criticized from within and from the right). There are many dozens of monetized right, libertarian, and "reasonable middle ground" style podcasts and youtube channels that filter directly into my feed just by watching a few seconds of any of their content, while I actually have to type in a search and scroll past the first several unrelated results to find a directly opposing view. It's almost impossible to find news that reports things factually without any emotional appeal, and I don't trust anything I read without comparing it to multiple sources. It takes a long time to do and it's really boring, and I haven't gotten around to doing it yet for this particular event. whereas left-wing folks typically don't similarly expose themselves to opposing sources, except to condescendingly refer to them as "fake news" or "propaganda". You've lost me here. Am I your only left wing source? I call most shit fake news and propaganda but I don't even know many people at all (on the left especially) who are as vigilant about the propagation of fake news as I am. The phrase "fake news" is famously coined by Donald Trump to rightfully delegitimize CNN, NBC, and other sensational press reporters trying to get a nasty soundbite at his press conferences. It's most definitely more a right wing phrase than a left but I've been doing my best to pull that phrase into the middle because all of american news reporting is fucking terrible.
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Post by 40oz on Jan 8, 2021 18:43:42 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2021 19:11:53 GMT -5
Welp, there goes any chance of reform for Big Tech and those who control the flow of information. Now only state-approved opinions will be allowed on the internet. YouTube and Facebook have already followed suit.
Don't mind me, just stocking up on 5.56x45mm NATO, 7.62x39mm, and 9mm.
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Post by bulletspam on Jan 8, 2021 20:07:13 GMT -5
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Post by deathevokation on Jan 9, 2021 0:13:55 GMT -5
Welp, there goes any chance of reform for Big Tech and those who control the flow of information. Now only state-approved opinions will be allowed on the internet. YouTube and Facebook have already followed suit. Don't mind me, just stocking up on 5.56x45mm NATO, 7.62x39mm, and 9mm. dw i'm sure things will work out i'm sure..
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Post by deathevokation on Jan 9, 2021 0:14:33 GMT -5
ok that is a giant post xd
edit: downsized it, still a big post i guess
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Post by dr_st on Jan 9, 2021 2:20:32 GMT -5
For starts, right-wing folks actually read/watch left-wing media, I find this incredibly hard to believe. I personally find it very difficult to find any form of left wing media aside from meme groups on facebook and a few fringe youtube personalities That's because you perhaps don't realize that the majority of so-called "mainstream" media leans left, sometimes heavily so. In the US - CNN, MSNBC, and basically every major TV network other than FOX is left, plus most major newspapers - NY Times, Washington Post, etc. In the UK - BBC and The Guardian - the major ones people know and follow - are both left. ASOASF. whereas left-wing folks typically don't similarly expose themselves to opposing sources, except to condescendingly refer to them as "fake news" or "propaganda". You've lost me here. Am I your only left wing source? Don't flatter yourself. Obviously, my interest in news and politics slightly predates my Doomer Boards account. This is a summary based on a whole lot of acquaintances, both online and in real life. I call most shit fake news and propaganda but I don't even know many people at all (on the left especially) who are as vigilant about the propagation of fake news as I am. Well, now you know another one. It's nice to meet you. Except, as you imagine I am quite far from being on the left. And you know what? You yourself are not quite on the left either. It's clear that you lean there, most likely because of the bubble and involuntary brainwashing you've been exposed to, but from the little bit I saw so far - you seem to have more resilience to indoctrination than the average person, and you are not driven by hate either. Therefore, I predict there is a good chance that once you are done sifting through all the bullshit (which, by the way, exists on both sides), you will find yourself strongly in the right-center, which is home to all intelligent people that have both the ability and the desire to think for themselves.
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Post by deathevokation on Jan 9, 2021 22:33:25 GMT -5
>you WON'T believe this >but first >listen >actually, lemme say this >the mainstream media is terrible >anyway, let's read this Buzzfeed article >check this out >SLAMS >I'll tell you what, man >the point is >civil war >but you know what >I grew up on the South Side of Chicago >it's complicated >lemme lemme lemme think of it this way >as a moderate >orange man bad, but not that bad >look >here’s the thing >adjusts eyeglasses >I kid you not >I’m mixed-race >I can't pronounce the name of this article's author >let's read on >woke outrage >culture wars >I'm just some dude who makes videos in the back of a van >full stop >I guess what I’m trying to say is this >adjusts jacket >I'm a high school dropout >I used to work for VICE >I was homeless >get woke go broke >it's nuanced >Harumph I say! >I try to keep these short >get a copy editor >let me break it down for you >food analogy >horseshoe theory >left is eating itself >that's nuts >I dunno, man >it’s actually kinda scary >think about it >Marvel movie analogy >claps hands together >I will say this >I can respect that >but at the end of the day >I'm a milquetoast fencer-sitter >abortion good, death penalty bad >i'll wrap this up >I've never taken a vacation >check out my van >my skater friends who are not into politics >my friends in the hacker community >the Democrats have become insane and possibly evil >I think.....but I could be wrong >but I'm still not going to vote for the only person that could possibly check their bullshit >you get the point >I'll leave it there >head over to patreon and timcast.com >I have a crypto option, a paypal option >share this video >YouTube algorithm, demonetization >check out the podcast >stick around, next segment is coming up at 6 PM over at youtube dot com slash timcastnews >it is a different channel, i'll see you there >thanks for hangin' out
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2021 0:36:12 GMT -5
I find this incredibly hard to believe. I personally find it very difficult to find any form of left wing media aside from meme groups on facebook and a few fringe youtube personalities (and these guys are heavily criticized from within and from the right). Besides the sources dr_st mentioned as having left bias, there is also commondreams.org (I encountered it frequently enough to memorize it). Anyway, Richard Stallman may be regarded as a fringe personality, but he is not from youtube and has his own personal site at stallman.org and he definitely is on the left spectrum (even though he too fell victim of cancel culture - it seems supporting left is self-defeating if you are a member of "privileged group").
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 2:29:03 GMT -5
These people are morons but the left started it by fomenting an atmosphere of division between the different races, genders and finally by not condemning violence on the left and even encouraging it. This didn't just come out of nowhere.
There's no way your country is coming clean out of this and the rest of us are going to suffer for it too.
Last I checked Chris Cuomo still has a Twatter account. What he said is far worse than what Trump said. Show me exactly where Trump encouraged violence.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 10:27:09 GMT -5
Last I checked Chris Cuomo still has a Twatter account. What he said is far worse than what Trump said. Show me exactly where Trump encouraged violence. In his recent tweet, he tried to cover up by saying: Although in the speech he quite deliberately said "polite and peaceful" If shouting is covered by polite, what would be covered by peaceful? Many would agree that "protests not required to be peaceful" amounts to illegal activity, like, destroying property, for example. Citation ( source): Well, as you see, protests that are not peaceful are not protected by First Amendment. So the claim "And please, show me where it says protesters are supposed to be polite and peaceful." is actually refutable by pointing that out. And trying to give another meaning to "peaceful" doesn't even help, since First Amendment uses that word exactly. As for Twitter deciding who to block or not, they are clearly acting like if they were state authority, and, I think, there should be laws that prohibit such action on behalf on companies, somehow. The role of social media is high enough that they should be kept in check on many accounts (data gathering, etc.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 11:24:25 GMT -5
@vigilantdoomer Someone should show this retard the definition of "peaceful".
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Post by deathevokation on Jan 11, 2021 13:48:20 GMT -5
Ron Paul just got scrubbed off facebook... they haven't even put their foot in the door and they've already purging libertarians.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 14:06:45 GMT -5
Shit is not gonna get better over there. The radical left have been stirring this shit up for decades. In what world is this acceptable discourse??! This is exactly the same genocidal rhetoric Nazis used against Jews and Communists against the Kulaks. I guess Americans got too fat and comfortable. You're about to get a really harsh lesson. Thank God Americans have the Second Amendment over there. The bootlickers are not gonna have an easy time when they drag people to "reeducation" camps. Wish we had it too in 1989, things would have been different.
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Post by deathevokation on Jan 11, 2021 16:27:06 GMT -5
Honestly the average twitter hot take was "she's white and supported trump so no biggie. " Monsters like Arthur are one thing but there was another article published in a mainstream newspaper that sickened me too, where it tries to maintain a façade of neutral reporting while meticulously trying to deperson her and separate her from someone deserving any sympathy by going through her twitter and laying out that she was a conspiracy theorist who thought the election was rigged and that she admired Trump and it included a tweet of hers that aged poorly as a "gotcha!" where she said "No one can stop us", g-get it? She got killed so she DID get stopped!! Ofcourse her family weren't reached out to because she's as Arthur said... a rabid non human that doesn't have a name or family or any loved ones she left behind.
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Post by dr_st on Jan 11, 2021 17:16:42 GMT -5
Shit is not gonna get better over there. The radical left have been stirring this shit up for decades. In what world is this acceptable discourse??! This is exactly the same genocidal rhetoric Nazis used against Jews and Communists against the Kulaks. The tweets have been removed, as I see - but want to bet the guy is not going to be banned or blocked from Twitter? Big-tech are only trigger-happy to silence voices they disagree with. What you see in the last few days is not the result of the "attack" on the Capitol. That was just a pretext that the idiot Trumpists provided to their opponents. It is the result of two things that happened at the same time - the certification of the vote, which put an end to even the most unlikely possibilities for Trump to stay as president, and the fact that the Dems won the two Georgia senate races, which puts them in full control of the senate (in addition to the congress and the presidency). Before that - some were still a bit afraid of Trump. Enough to not outright block his accounts. Not anymore. Before that - Dems had to account for a Republican senate to keep them in check. Not anymore. It's hard for me to predict how this whole thing will end. But there is a lesson here to learn for everyone, not just Americans. In the future if someone asks me why I will never, ever, under any circumstances, support the left - I will only need to bring up the events of the last several days.
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Post by deathevokation on Jan 11, 2021 17:27:15 GMT -5
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Post by 40oz on Jan 11, 2021 17:46:17 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 23:14:33 GMT -5
Fortunately, the tweets already got news coverage: dailycaller.com/2021/01/07/arthur-chu-ashli-babbitt-death-nazi-good-thing-capitol-protest-twitter-jeopardy/40oz, you took a few words out of context when quoting @doomro . Arthur Chu is a immigrant and is obviously non-white. The thing is not whether Arthur Chu is radical left or simply some left-leaning douchebag, but that radical left policies shut voices of the "privileged" while enabling "non-privileged" groups - of which Arthur Chu is a member - to say or do what they want. The truth is simple - when a "non-privileged" group is granted special protection, it ceases to be "non-privileged" and becomes "privileged" instead. And if this special protection means certain preferences (access to higher education without meeting the formal qualifications required by default, or lower entry barrier; higher chances of getting refugee status for LGBT asylum seekers; etc.) then those who don't get this preferential treatment should be rightfully considered "non-privileged" rather than "privileged". It is this truth that radical left doesn't get (confirmed by existence of the groups such as BLM), and the result is the likes of Arthur Chu (yes, his family name is laughable to read) - a non-white descendant of immigrant parents - pushing rhetoric to outright dehumanize people in U.S. soil based on the opposition to his beliefs. And if he is not radical (and by way of his rhetoric, he actually is), I don't dare to think what a radical would say. There is one more truth that you will learn someday - in that ethnic groups that are not crushed by this "stripping of privileges" have actually high solidarity, and would be glad to see people of different ethnicity (and especially the "privileged" ones, the ones who are THE foundation of Nation-State and the provider of the very right of these diverse ethnic groups to exist in their land) killed or relegated to slavery. This attitude is prevalent in Russia in all ethnic groups besides the russkies themselves, and the russkies is number one ethnicity all of them share the hatred for. Putin is no friend to nationalists, by the way, I don't get why the fuck the foreign nationalists admire him as his regime drove out Russian nationalists out of legitimate discourse long time ago, and he grooms atrocities like Ramzan Kadyrov.
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Post by 40oz on Jan 12, 2021 0:47:24 GMT -5
Arthur Chu is a columnist who gets paid to write liberal "think pieces." It's his job. He has to do it to make a living.
This is why i don't give a shit about what Charlie Kirk, Candace Owens, or Steven Crowder has to say about any of this. I already know because it's same non-thought provoking drivel that panders to their audience.
I keep catching you guys quoting and sourcing people who have monetary incentive to say the things they do as if they are independent thoughts on the topic. Arthur doesn't represent "the radical left" He has been steadily plummeting in fame since being the "jeopardy villain" and so he clings for attention with incendiary opinions. This is not uncommon for people who have fallen out of fame. See gootecks, the pogchamp face guy for another recent example on the opposite side.
No one I know is celebrating Ashli Babbits death. The insurrection is stupid and the accusation of it being orchestrated by antifa agents is the weakest form of self victimization I've ever seen come from trump supporters. Its also tougher to sympathize with than say, protestors that got run over by police cars in NYC, the man tho had his skull cracked open in Buffalo, or kids who had their masks yanked off so the cop could pepper spray them in the face, but everyone I consider more left than me is principally aligned in that the police shouldn't be killing anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 1:28:02 GMT -5
40oz I don't care about some dumb fatass like Chu, I care about what his words might do to impressionable people. All I know about him is that he has a blue checkmark, which means Twitter thinks he's important and that they agree with him. What if someone reads that shit and bombs a church or something? What if after that some QAnon types bomb a Starbucks or whatever in retaliation? What I care about is that the rules on one of the most important places of speech on the planet are not applied the same to all people and what it's doing to people. It's spilling into the real world and people who own these platforms not only let it happen but encourage it. I deleted my Twitter years ago and never went back. The way people talk to each other over there is just vile.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 10:24:58 GMT -5
I would like to bring attention once more to the fact that @doomro was not making a claim that Arthur Chu is of radical left disposition. Rather, he believes radical left movement to be responsible for creating the environment where words of Arthur Chu are deemed acceptable (and it doesn't matter which purpose he said this for), on a platform when certain things do get censored no less.
That is, you'll be reaping what you sow, and you'll regret supporting radical left one day.
There, thus, was no goal to quote specifically "independent" people here. Trump also has monetary incentive, and so does Twitter, but Twitter blocks Trump, which means such action is good for Twitter's business. Are they under pressure and who put it? And If bias towards leftism is not even a distant cause, then what is?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 10:55:55 GMT -5
I would like to bring attention once more to the fact that @doomro was not making a claim that Arthur Chu is of radical left disposition. Rather, he believes radical left movement to be responsible for creating the environment where words of Arthur Chu are deemed acceptable (and it doesn't matter which purpose he said this for), on a platform when certain things do get censored no less. That is, you'll be reaping what you sow, and you'll regret supporting radical left one day. There, thus, was no goal to quote specifically "independent" people here. Trump also has monetary incentive, and so does Twitter, but Twitter blocks Trump, which means such action is good for Twitter's business. Are they under pressure and who put it? And If bias towards leftism is not even a distant cause, then what is? Yep, exactly it. It's gonna destroy the country, and then small countries like mine will follow.
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