who submitted to joel?

Can you respond to 40's latest post here?

He's banned from Doomworld and has gone through hell for not banning you here... he's offering you a second chance and wants to know if it's in vain or not.

He was given an ultimatum.

40oz was banned for participating in way too many flame wars on DW, it has nothing to do with sarais.

BTW, I made a map for Joel.

I thought he was banned after this thread: www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/99096-how-much-do-you-care-about-dooms-plot/?page=4&tab=comments#comment-1847750 Was the sarais stuff ever mentioned as a reason for the ban?

Here are the various flame wars 40oz recently participated in :

www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/94231-lets-be-revealing/?page=11
www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/98974-barrels-o-fun-the-bane-of-my-existence/?page=2
www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/98837-people-suck/
www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/97911-why-dont-people-just-use-udmf-format/?page=7
+ that link memfis linked.

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No one should. It's very weird.

I don't really get any pleasure out of removing communication privileges from people. Even after all this I still have a lingering feeling that I could have just waited a little longer and things would have gotten much better. If only I just remained patient. If I'm being honest, Doom unites so many different people, each weird in their own ways. I don't think it would have been likely that any of us would have become friends under any other circumstances if we didn't have Doom in common. We're all from different regions of the world, we all have very different interests, upbringings, and motivations for doing the things we do. It's actually pretty remarkable that there isn't more friction between us all. But to have any expectations that everything is going to be smooth sailing under the umbrella of Doom is, in itself, fucking crazy.

I love Doom and all the maps I play. Even the really bad ones. To me, cutting someone out of the Doom community is removing another source of new maps. Whether you're a shitty person or not, it doesn't really matter to me. There are other avenues of the internet to look for good, friendly, intelligent people. I think some people see banning as an after school detention for delinquents. Its where all the disobedient kids who don't do their homework go. Banning is not a punishment to me. Talking to other people doesn't need rules. If you don't like something you can speak up, and call out the people who step on your toes. But I'm not interested in putting people in their place and reprimanding them until all the sheep are walking in single file lines and honoring my every word. That would be extremely uncomfortable to me. It's a level of control that feels very unnatural and irresponsible, especially when people have to go create a completely different forum to say something about it.

The official reasoning as far as I can tell, is in the thread memfis linked, which features the last flame war 40oz was involved in and then linguica banning him, saying "Oh my god shut up", most likely due to a burnout of of 40oz's many other flame war participations.

Whenever someone uses terms like "most likely", it means they're working off speculation... an argument that relies on speculation has no weight as an argument.

Taking into account the fact that the spacing between 40's ban and Ling's post is too far apart for it to be considered an "official statement that he's banned" in the first place; how does "Oh my god shut up" read out as "40oz you've been banned for too many flame wars" especially when the person of interest in the thread was actually Arctangent with whom multiple people (some who were even more hostile) had issue with, when the last post in said thread was from Arctangent him/herself and when Ling's post didn't address anyone specifically and when 40oz's ban coincided with the drama that was happening here as well? 

Also, read 40oz's posts both here and in the Sarais thread.

40oz ban is the worst ban in the history of Doomworld, and I have seen some really fucking stupid bans there. When there's more drama then before, they...probably won't realize the mistake they made, not yet anyways. I'm actually really hoping that the person who banned him wasn't Ling, though.

On-topic, would've submitted some small thing to the Vinesauce competition, but I hate Twitch platform anyways.

Of course it's speculation, because I wasn't told straightforwardly, but only got a few hints I could work with.

I think it was forwarded to everyone participating in that flame war, but 40oz was a special case because of his previous various other flame wars.
And besides, if he was banned because of not banning sarais, then 40oz should be unbanned by now, because he did ban sarais later.

You're right about that. It's important not to isolate the last event that happened before I was banned out of context of my entire relationship with doomworld. The last thing alone would have been shitty for any random person, but it's not necessary to strip that away from the fact that I get in arguments with people there a lot, Linguica is very close to a lot of people that severely dislike me, and isn't involved with many people who are at the very least, indifferent in their opinion about me. The way he saw it he didn't really see any benefit for having me there on his forum, and it was probably more exhausting for him to learn to put up with me than it is to just cut me out (even though I really hope he realizes he creates a lot of this stress for himself.) He just doesn't see the value of people's input and ability to carry on the legacy of Doom the same way I do. So we'll just have to have our separate forums, even if he has to make it his life's work to disparage me and the significance of what this forum was created for.



I don't think that was the agreement. It would be nice if I could still keep my private messages going and maybe post an announcement whenever I'm about to finish a project or something, but even if he did reactivate it, I'd rather just stay here and people can check this place out if they really want to know what I have to say.



I think it was more of a "do what I say right now or else" type of thing.