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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 6:56:14 GMT -5
Toxic masculinity can be defined as a number of traits commonly associated with males that are considered hurtful to these males and people around them. Commonly cited examples would be suppressing your emotions since tough guys don't cry, feeling like you're not supposed to like cute things, resisting the urge to dress in bright and colorful clothes because they're gay, bullying your classmates/colleagues under the pretense of so-called male bonding, having a preference for solving conflicts through physical fights, not going to the doctor and waiting for your health issues to somehow resolve themselves, expecting women to dress sexually to please your eyes and judging them when they don't, etc. Does any of this ring a bell to you? Do you have any negative qualities that you think were caused by you being raised as a boy?
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Post by 40oz on Oct 12, 2020 7:58:01 GMT -5
I don't think anyone, myself included, would admit "yes, I'm a toxic person"
That takes expert level self awareness. I still have a lot of work to do but a few years ago I've changed my thinking to assume I do have toxic masculinity, work on being a better person to others, and then over long stretches of time I start to notice that my past self had toxic traits I wasn't aware of at that time.
The good news is that you really don't have to sacrifice much about yourself to get there like I once thought. In the process I feel like I'm achieving a better and more realized version of myself that feels more natural and worthy of love as I work to clean up traits that are rooted in fear and insecurity. It's not always easy to notice when you have that excess baggage because it has become your 'normal,' but I definitely notice when it's gone.
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Post by joe-ilya on Oct 12, 2020 9:01:17 GMT -5
I used to have it, I used not to like MLP and anime, until I gave both of them a try. Now I have rainbow dash as an avatar, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 10:08:27 GMT -5
Toxic masculinity can be defined as a number of traits commonly associated with males that are considered hurtful to these males and people around them. Commonly cited examples would be suppressing your emotions since tough guys don't cry, feeling like you're not supposed to like cute things, resisting the urge to dress in bright and colorful clothes because they're gay, bullying your classmates/colleagues under the pretense of so-called male bonding, having a preference for solving conflicts through physical fights, not going to the doctor and waiting for your health issues to somehow resolve themselves, expecting women to dress sexually to please your eyes and judging them when they don't, etc. Does any of this ring a bell to you? Do you have any negative qualities that you think were caused by you being raised as a boy? When I was brought up I was tough basic morality (Violence = Bad, don't steal, don't be an asshole ect) and wasn't particularly brought up being a "boy" as much as I was brought up being a child. My masculinity is self defined, I don't need others to tell me how to be a "man", I'm a man because I have a fucking cock and that's the passing grade for me, I don't think any of what you listed really crosses my mind really (especially expecting women to dress sexy, where the fuck outside of a strip club/brothel/porno would this even reasonably apply?), men should be allowed to cry and express emotions as male suicide (especially young males) is a fucking epidemic and men need to be let known that they are perfectly fine to have problems and feelings outside of bravado and should be allowed to care about people and things without being called out on it by some maladjusted boomer scum. Have I been an asshole? Probably, who the fuck hasn't, that isn't as much a "man" thing as it is a grand social phenomena, every place suffers from bullying, "banter" and cliques.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 11:36:57 GMT -5
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Post by dn on Oct 12, 2020 12:31:11 GMT -5
Give me this day my Daily Soy And forgive me my Toxicity, as I forgive those who are Toxic against me For thine is the Cuckoldry, and the Faggotry Waxes Eternal Amen-woman.
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Post by BIG DICK NIGGA on Oct 12, 2020 13:03:20 GMT -5
If "toxic" means "massive" and "masculinity" means "cock and balls" then yes 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
Eh I guess somewhat. Mostly in regards to myself though, I wouldn't assault another person over something that isn't self defence or something, also I don't (intentionally at least) bully other people. But for example I wouldn't let myself cry in public. I go to the doctor sometimes (because my parents still pay for it) but probably less than I should. Also stuff like my ideal vision of my family is one where only I work. Etc. Overall however I wouldn't call myself toxic.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 13:14:52 GMT -5
Give me this day my Daily Soy And forgive me my Toxicity, as I forgive those who are Toxic against me For thine is the Cuckoldry, and the Faggotry Waxes Eternal A men-woman. Amen indeed. There's no such thing as toxic masculinity. Male traits aren't inherently toxic. This is another buzzphrase created by the radical left in an effort to vilify men and ease the progression and implementation of third wave feminist ideology. It's part of the broader assault on masculinity in Western culture. www.conservapedia.com/Toxic_Masculinity
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Post by BIG DICK NIGGA on Oct 12, 2020 13:35:49 GMT -5
What the fuck is this website lol this can't be serious
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 13:58:47 GMT -5
What the fuck is this website lol this can't be serious I think it's healthy that websites like that exist to call into question the potential biases of Wikipedia.
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Post by Lobo on Oct 12, 2020 15:53:52 GMT -5
You people are out of touch. ALL masculinity is toxic now, dontcha know.
Don't control your emotions! Let them control you! Emotional Diarrhea for the win! Embrace the soy!
"Traditional masculinity" officially labeled 'harmful' by the American Psychological Association. Really.
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Post by 40oz on Oct 13, 2020 8:59:58 GMT -5
You people are out of touch. ALL masculinity is toxic now, dontcha know. Don't control your emotions! Let them control you! Emotional Diarrhea for the win! Embrace the soy! "Traditional masculinity" officially labeled 'harmful' by the American Psychological Association. Really. That's silly. Here's a list of non-toxic masculine traits I can think of off the top of my head. - Being physically strong/good at sports - Having a healthy relationship with your parents - Being a present and attentive father - Treating your girlfriend/wife like a queen - Standing up for your girlfriend/wife when she's been wronged - Supporting your family - Helping people who need it - Volunteering to help with traditionally women's gender roles (like cooking or laundry) - Participating in 'girly' activities to bond with your daughter or niece if you have one - Having a natural affection for cute furry animals - Showing platonic physical affection towards your male friends (high fives, fist bumps, hugs, etc.) - Breaking up or diffusing physical fights and altercations between other men - Attention to personal grooming and fashion - Attention to personal care and your health - Being a good listener - Remaining in a state of learning (not always having all the answers)
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Post by Lobo on Oct 13, 2020 9:44:58 GMT -5
Tell that to the APA.
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Post by thundercunt on Oct 13, 2020 11:07:03 GMT -5
yes
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2020 12:25:56 GMT -5
From years of workplace experience, I learned that toxicity is not really correlated with gender or age: toxic people can be of any gender/age, so are non-toxic people. The approach to single out any group for negative traits is therefore a wrong one. Also I suspect not crying (in grown men) has more to do with hormones rather than upbringing, it seems that testosterone makes it harder to have tears (we don't cry because we are/were forbidden to, but because it is simply less likely to happen naturely). Parenting is an issue to be addressed separately, encouraging child to behave like a future adult can be done in various ways, some are inferior/superior to others.
My own toxicity (that I am paradoxically aware of, although unwilling to change despite even knowing its origins) also seems to be a personal one.
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Post by dmdr on Oct 15, 2020 16:45:03 GMT -5
The approach to single out any group for negative traits is therefore a wrong one. correct, but the point of this sort of thing is to demonise people (in this case men, and especially those who talk back to feminists) and thus make them feel shitty and be easier to control so what you describe is a feature, not a bug. See also similar terms ending in '-phobic', which are used to redefine legitimate concerns as fearful and therefore smear those holding them as cowardly.
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Post by sosh on Oct 16, 2020 5:50:47 GMT -5
Damn that title makes it feel like a medical diagnosis... Anyway, I believe that "toxic masculinity" is total 100% certified bullshit.
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Post by Justince on Oct 17, 2020 10:48:57 GMT -5
No, because it doesn't exist. It was invented by beta-shitheads and feminists to marginalize a bigger, more successful group then themselves and discredit them by rooting their 'toxicity' in their intrinsic behavior. I find mealy-mouthed passive aggressive shitheels far more toxic than the dude-bro who drinks beer and likes cars. At least with him you know where you stand. This new generation of feminized fuckers you'll just be stabbed in the back for little or no reason.
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Post by Megalyth on Oct 24, 2020 22:48:31 GMT -5
There's no such thing as toxic masculinity. Bad behavior is not exclusive to a single gender. Some people just suck.
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Post by 40oz on Oct 25, 2020 18:23:02 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 23:58:08 GMT -5
There's no such thing as toxic masculinity. Bad behavior is not exclusive to a single gender. Some people just suck. Yeah. What I think can be meant by 'toxic masculinity' (masculinity is not toxic) is just the dumb behavior of lost and misguided males even if well-meaning whose idea of what it means to be a man is being a borderline psychopath or whatever people see in sitcoms etc. emulating garbage ideas fed by the media to a "fatherless generation." That's probably not what people who talk about that mean though, heh. EDIT: If this post isn't that great then that's because I cut out about 70% of what I was going to say originally but still wanted to make a post in the end and why yes most of that were semi-related tangents and pointing out the Communist Manifesto's dismantling of the family.
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Post by joe-ilya on Oct 26, 2020 1:16:43 GMT -5
There's no such thing as toxic masculinity. Bad behavior is not exclusive to a single gender. Some people just suck. Masculinity isn't exclusive to a single gender either.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 14:07:25 GMT -5
If such a thing exists then women are often complicit. www.opendemocracy.net/en/5050/white-feather-girls-womens-militarism-in-uk/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_featherThe 'White Feather Brigade' was established in Folkstone by Admiral Charles Penrose Fitzgerald, an ardent war-supporter who wished to see Britain institute mandatory military service. His idea spread through the country with astonishing rapidity. As young women combed beaches, high streets, trams, theaters, and places of resort, pinning tiny white feathers to men casually strolling or socializing with their friends, they sent shock waves through society. Not only were those men pinned with the mocking 'Order of the White Feather' profoundly humiliated, but commentators began to decry the immodesty of forward young women who had the audacity to insult perfect strangers and tell men what to do.
Of course, you will never hear feminists talk about this, except rarely such as this article.
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Post by optimus on Nov 3, 2020 6:04:32 GMT -5
Nah, I was quite the opposite in some aspects from what people tend to call "Toxic masculinity". I never had a sense of a male identity anyway. I was just a person. Now, I happened at school to be the more shy, introverted person. Or as I also find out, I am scoring much higher in the trait neuroticism than the average male. I think now this is was a major factor in things I've gone through, being the target of bullying for example. Things like this will stand out. Also,. I had a terrible problem in the past, I would cry (even for miniscule things) but when it happened it was like a faucet I was struggling to close. Now, I would have been told "men don't cry" which didn't help, it wasn't like I could control it (years later it just stopped).
So definitely, some aspects of me where opposite of what is called "toxic masculinity". But here is the kicker. I don't like this term, I don't like it at all and I don't like how it's used by feminists to somehow focus all the problems on the male gender. And sometimes they even conflate it with things I consider good. I've heard some define toxic masculinity as synonymous with hard work, logic, stoicism and similar. Well,. stoicism saved me from my bad reactions under high neuroticism. As I grow older I can look back or even the present situation and try to regulate those emotions. I don't believe emotions are bad. But in people with high neuroticism there has to be some counter mechanism to not let it all outburst.
We can still solve our problems and accept people who are kinda different than the norm, it's just that I am allergic to feminist ideologies these days, so I'd rather take another approach for that, maybe something I discover on my own or maybe influenced by other ideas that I'll filtered through my understanding of my situation and the state of the world.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 8:32:56 GMT -5
Your view is actually reasonable, some (? never done any research on numbers) feminists deny men can suffer in life, but suffering can happen to any person, and comparing various person's sufferings in regards to "who had it worse" is not a good idea in my opinion.
I basically consider all attempts to designate some social groups as requiring special protection (as opposed to the notion "all equal under law") or for "proportional representation" as incapable of actually achieving justice, because it just turns oppressed into the oppressors, reversing the flow of oppression but never eliminitating the tendency of people (perhaps our flawed human nature?) to oppress others.
Also, I consider the idea of ancestral guilt to be unfair. At least in Christianity, Christ died so that people would answer for their sins alone and not of their parents - but we have now "white guilt", "German/Japanese guilt" and other forms of bullshit. I hate historical Nazis for invading USSR, but I don't hold present day German people responsible for any of it. I disapprove of the notion there are "privileged groups", as there are people who may belong to what may be called "privileged" group, but who are on the very bottom of society, with no prospect of rising.
It's best to ignore those who try to infect you with guilt. Don't let their arguments win over you. If what they say sounds unfair to you, that's because it is. You might not be able to win a debate with them or defend your views in public, but your heart knows the truth. If what they said was fair, it would not cause you grief.
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