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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 10:22:58 GMT -5
1. Really? Then why do you sound like a typical leftist? So I should start listening to far left propaganda, right? I say stop listening to propaganda because I actually mean stop listening to propaganda. Do I have to remind you that I don't get paid or have any political agenda? I'm aware propaganda is on both sides. I told you that. Toxic masculinity is not a left or right politics issue. It's a mental health issue and potential danger to society when left unchecked. 2. I didn't bring your friends up and I don't see why you had to. I said "these people" meaning the crazy far left then you told me to shut the fuck up about these people. Then you told me that some of your friends participated in riots. A riot (/ˈraɪət/) is a form of civil disorder commonly characterized by a group lashing out in a violent public disturbance against authority, property or people. Riots typically involve destruction of property, public or private. I don't need to know anything else, if you disturb the peace you deserve to be in jail. Don't even think that the far left rioters are somehow Union Civil War fighters. Those were legitimate fighters not disturbing the local population. They weren't a dumbass mob. What did the local store owner ever do to these people??? All of this is the result of the lamestream presstitute media and college indoctrination. I brought it up because you are where you are, talking about what's happened here based on filtered secondhand information you get from your curated news sources. I actually went. Here's a picture I found that a photographer took with me in it. These were peaceful protests, and they remained peaceful until the police instigated the violence by throwing tear gas, beating people up, firing rubber bullets, etc. The police here are unhinged. They're not superhero guardians of our society, they want crime to happen so they can use their military grade equipment and have reason to demand more funding. It's fun for them to be in battle armor and pick on teenagers. The police recruit these kinds of assholes on purpose because they unquestionably uphold our bullshit laws. There have also been some instances of agent provaceteurs who are on the side of the police but dress like protestors to initiate property destruction so that police can "rightfully" keep the peace. I'm pretty sure I saw a few of them but I didn't expect it when I went and didn't go prepared to record evidence of it. The media is and always has been on the side of the police, so when the police instigate violence, and protestors react to it, it's reported as though the rioters are all violent criminals who want to break into your house and kidnap your family. I watched it happen in real time. I went to the peaceful protests, then I went home. I'd watch my friends on social media posting pictures and videos of themselves at these peaceful protests, then look up the news to see headlines about how the city is in duress from all these savages. It's all corroborated to influence public opinion and delegitimize peoples actual firsthand experiences. 3. I said if it does exist then women are also contributing to it and more of them need to be aware of it. Women have a lot of power over young men. This article is an example of that acknowledgement by women but it's not enough. The article is talking about the wartime propaganda campaign that influenced the women! The same way it's influencing you to repeat the same "opinions" the media personalities tell you to without knowing the people who are effected by it. If you have a personal story where a shitty woman somehow provoked and encouraged toxic masculinity in you or someone you know, I'd like to hear it. I'm serious, I promise I'll give it my full attention. When you're telling me "this is what feminists and leftists think," I don't believe you because there's no way that a feminist or leftist would waste their time being friends with you and trust you with their own personal story when you overtly speak unsubstantiatedly about their beliefs and values with such disdain. That's the wedge that propaganda drives between us. Were really not all that different. In that thread, you said we are "overdue a violent revolution" and that your friends participated in riots. Rioting is not the same as protesting. Rioting involves violence and property damage. Good to hear that you were one of the peaceful ones. I am all for peaceful protesting but rioting is where society needs to draw the line. Does your police force need reform? ABSOLUTELY. I'd be terrified of the American police too, but this isn't how you do it. The generation of your grandparents fought the Nazis to preserve your system and way of life. It's not perfect but it's worth preserving even though it needs changes. It's not propaganda. BLM and Antifa ARE looting and burning. Do you think this is normal? What did shop owners did to deserve this? These people are doing a fine job reinforcing racial stereotypes. They can't all be provocateurs and agents. I don't want these movements to spread around the world. "this is what feminists and leftists think," I am not going to do that for them because that is exactly what they do to people like me. When I was in high school and college I always wanted to meet a girl who plays video games. A few years later, I hear about how people like me are somehow preventing women from getting involved in gaming, putting words in my mouth and calling me names when I don't agree. I never thought that women can't have a place in the industry or fandom. If a woman can be a doctor, why not a video game developer? It's absurd.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 10:24:27 GMT -5
Toxic masculinity is not a left or right politics issue. It's a mental health issue and potential danger to society when left unchecked. It should be noted that initially I too didn't undestand the point @doomro was trying to make when citing that article (and then saying it should be shown to feminists), but now it is clear as day to me. It's a bit backhanded way to prove the thesis that "women influence men's behaviour", with the implication that "what you consider toxic behaviour in men may be selected by women's preferences". That is exactly it! If toxic masculinity exists, then women are part of the problem. The fact that this article exists doesn't show the majority of them see their part in the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 10:53:53 GMT -5
When I was in high school and college I always wanted to meet a girl who plays video games. A few years later, I hear about how people like me are somehow preventing women from getting involved in gaming, putting words in my mouth and calling me names when I don't agree. I never thought that women can't have a place in the industry or fandom. If a woman can be a doctor, why not a video game developer? It's absurd. By the way, I do have a personal experience to share on this one! Which is same as yours, except not in high school, but around 6-7 years old, and the game was Doom. When other kids, who were my friends, gathered at my house, we would play Doom on my PC. One of them later even gave me cheat code sheet for the first Doom as a birthday gift. Now, where as boys would be really interested in playing the game, a girl - the only girl who gave it a try - would lose her attention span in a few minutes. I don't remember whether we tried some other games, but she never wanted to spent any more time on them. So yeah, girls may naturally not like Doom / games in general. Just as they don't spend much time playing with toy cars. They may try it, but they won't be doing it for long.
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Post by 40oz on Nov 11, 2020 11:28:18 GMT -5
It's not propaganda. BLM and Antifa ARE looting and burning. Do you think this is normal? There's nothing normal about the current state of things. This stupid conversation we're having over basic facts being twisted into political dichotomy is 100% not normal. Normality would include a capacity to listen to and trust one another. What did shop owners did to deserve this? This is an extremely common question which has been seeded by the media. I don't have an answer because the question itself assumes that 1. That looters that took advantage of the chaos, and those protesting for police reform are coordinating together. 2. That big business in poor neighborhoods deserve sympathy from the public before those abused by police misconduct do. Nevermind that these protests are not at all organized, they can't possibly pick and choose who goes to them and who doesn't. Nobody invited me or told me what to do. I just went. Everyone is an individual and their motivations for doing what they do are their own. Assigning all of them with a label like antifa and BLM is how the media gets viewers like you to believe that they are only as good as their worst people. This is the same lazy-thinking we at Doomer Boards have to put up with from idiots at doomworld even though we've made 275+ maps in two years and nearly a dozen of our projects get mentionated for cacowards. Take away the labels and we've achieved greater accomplishments in the Doom community than most of them. Don't reciprocate that garbage. More importantly, don't minimize Target and Sneaker Villa owners lowly shop owners. The owners are rich white dudes who live in lavish luxury. Jason Lutz and Brian Cornell would be very confused if you treated them like baby entrepreneurs just trying to make a living. They are not mom and pop shops. These are longlasting multimillion/billion dollar corporations that drive out small business owners in poor neighborhoods. They are massive behemoths and they're near impossible to compete with. They don't deserve sympathy. They're going to be fine (and still are fine) after all this. Their store inventory is insured, their buildings will be repaired, everything is going to be ok. The corrupt policing system is still here. CEO of Sneaker Villa - Jason LutzCEO of Target - Brian Cornellcorporate.target.com/about/purpose-history/leadership/Brian-Cornell
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 11:49:05 GMT -5
There's nothing normal about the current state of things. This stupid conversation we're having over basic facts being twisted into political dichotomy is 100% not normal. It's not for you to decide whether the conversation is stupid and whether there are basic established facts in it. Don't try to win by pushing your opinion as an axiom. More importantly, don't minimize Target and Sneaker Villa owners lowly shop owners. The owners are rich white dudes who live in lavish luxury. Jason Lutz and Brian Cornell would be very confused if you treated them like baby entrepreneurs just trying to make a living. They are not mom and pop shops. These are longlasting multimillion/billion dollar corporations that drive out small business owners in poor neighborhoods. They are massive behemoths and they're near impossible to compete with. They don't deserve sympathy. They're going to be fine (and still are fine) after all this. Their store inventory is insured, their buildings will be repaired, everything is going to be ok. The corrupt policing system is still here. Are you literally saying people can be denied compassion on the basis that they are rich and white at the same time? Sorry, your position is flat out unacceptable. Of course, one might want to look into how they treat their workers, etc. but even then, they should answer before the law, not the lynch justice. Vandalizing them would still be unacceptable even if they did things that deserve retribution by law. Just as killing a criminal by yourself is considered to be unacceptable even if the fact of the crime is proven.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 11:54:23 GMT -5
It's not propaganda. BLM and Antifa ARE looting and burning. Do you think this is normal? There's nothing normal about the current state of things. This stupid conversation we're having over basic facts being twisted into political dichotomy is 100% not normal. Normality would include a capacity to listen to and trust one another. What did shop owners did to deserve this? This is an extremely common question which has been seeded by the media. I don't have an answer because the question itself assumes that 1. That looters that took advantage of the chaos, and those protesting for police reform are coordinating together. 2. That big business in poor neighborhoods deserve sympathy from the public before those abused by police misconduct do. Nevermind that these protests are not at all organized, they can't possibly pick and choose who goes to them and who doesn't. Nobody invited me or told me what to do. I just went. Everyone is an individual and their motivations for doing what they do are their own. Assigning all of them with a label like antifa and BLM is how the media gets viewers like you to believe that they are only as good as their worst people. This is the same lazy-thinking we at Doomer Boards have to put up with from idiots at doomworld even though we've made 275+ maps in two years and nearly a dozen of our projects get mentionated for cacowards. Take away the labels and we've achieved greater accomplishments in the Doom community than most of them. Don't reciprocate that garbage. More importantly, don't minimize Target and Sneaker Villa owners lowly shop owners. The owners are rich white dudes who live in lavish luxury. Jason Lutz and Brian Cornell would be very confused if you treated them like baby entrepreneurs just trying to make a living. They are not mom and pop shops. These are longlasting multimillion/billion dollar corporations that drive out small business owners in poor neighborhoods. They are massive behemoths and they're near impossible to compete with. They don't deserve sympathy. They're going to be fine (and still are fine) after all this. Their store inventory is insured, their buildings will be repaired, everything is going to be ok. The corrupt policing system is still here. CEO of Sneaker Villa - Jason Lutz CEO of Target - Brian Cornellcorporate.target.com/about/purpose-history/leadership/Brian-Cornell1. Poor argument. Most protests are peaceful, including in my country. How come the protests got violent only recently? 2. Doesn't matter if they are rich or not. What about your average person working there? What about the average person living in those parts? Imagine not being able to take a walk in your neighborhood because a dumbass mob are causing chaos.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 11:58:36 GMT -5
There's nothing normal about the current state of things. This stupid conversation we're having over basic facts being twisted into political dichotomy is 100% not normal. It's not for you to decide whether the conversation is stupid and whether there are basic established facts in it. Don't try to win by pushing your opinion as an axiom. More importantly, don't minimize Target and Sneaker Villa owners lowly shop owners. The owners are rich white dudes who live in lavish luxury. Jason Lutz and Brian Cornell would be very confused if you treated them like baby entrepreneurs just trying to make a living. They are not mom and pop shops. These are longlasting multimillion/billion dollar corporations that drive out small business owners in poor neighborhoods. They are massive behemoths and they're near impossible to compete with. They don't deserve sympathy. They're going to be fine (and still are fine) after all this. Their store inventory is insured, their buildings will be repaired, everything is going to be ok. The corrupt policing system is still here. Are you literally saying people can be denied compassion on the basis that they are rich and white at the same time? Sorry, your position is flat out unacceptable. Of course, one might want to look into how they treat their workers, etc. but even then, they should answer before the law, not the lynch justice. Vandalizing them would still be unacceptable even if they did things that deserve retribution by law. Just as killing a criminal by yourself is considered to be unacceptable even if the fact of the crime is proven. Didn't you hear? Their work is incredibly difficult and selfless! Of course they know better than everyone else!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 11:59:32 GMT -5
No, disregard him, 40oz literally stated they are white when saying they don't deserve sympathy. Belonging to a certain category of people should never be a basis for denying them sympathy. Black lives don't matter any more than white ones do.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 12:01:29 GMT -5
No, disregard him, 40oz literally stated they are white when saying they don't deserve sympathy. Belonging to a certain category of people should never be a basis for denying them sympathy. Black lives don't matter any more than white ones do. Careful now! It's racist to say such things these days. (for some reason)
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Post by 40oz on Nov 11, 2020 12:13:51 GMT -5
And the source that @doomro used actually confirms women can incite certain behaviour in men. The question is not whether they did so because of propaganda - it's crystal clear they were used as a propaganda instrument, and that's exactly the point! That men are affected by what women choose, so by influencing women you can in turn influencing men. The propaganda utilized this fact. Ok now we're getting somewhere. When you're investigating toxic masculinity it's a waste of time, and generally not very masculine at all to point fingers about who is to blame for it. Feminists calling out toxic behavior is not what's making men toxic. The counterpoint to toxic masculinity is wholesome masculinity. Good men are supposed to do the right thing even when it's difficult. Succumbing to social norms and being easily influenced to do things that indirectly hurt people around you are not the qualities of a good man. The delineation of toxic masculinity and wholesome masculinity is because traditionally the traits of masculinity that help the world and the traits of masculinity that don't and/or cause more unjust damage to society have all been lumped under the category of masculinity.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 12:14:08 GMT -5
@doomro, funny thing I almost called 40oz racist when I wrote that message, but removed it before posting. A theory is racist if and only if it postulates one race to have inherently inferior qualities to another, or that one race is entitled to less rights than the other. Denying right to compassion on the basis of the race is therefore racist, by definition. Now on what grounds my message can be called racist, I don't really see, unless someone's redefining racism to mean equality, and equality to mean racism. Granting exclusive protection to some social group creates oppression, not equality. And I don't care whether it is the invention of the left or of some government, what matters is that it is cancer that needs to be removed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 12:20:22 GMT -5
@doomro , funny thing I almost called 40oz racist when I wrote that message, but removed it before posting. A theory is racist if and only if it postulates one race to have inherently inferior qualities to another, or that one race is entitled to less rights than the other. Denying right to compassion on the basis of the race is therefore racist, by definition. Now on what grounds my message can be called racist, I don't really see, unless someone's redefining racism to mean equality, and equality to mean racism. Granting exclusive protection to some social group creates oppression, not equality. And I don't care whether it is the invention of the left or of some government, what matters is that it is cancer that needs to be removed. You don't have to tell me that. All people are equal under the law and if they are not, it should be reformed, not destroyed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 12:21:54 GMT -5
Ok now we're getting somewhere. When you're investigating toxic masculinity it's a waste of time, and generally not very masculine at all to point fingers about who is to blame for it. Feminists calling out toxic behavior is not what's making men toxic. The counterpoint to toxic masculinity is wholesome masculinity. Good men are supposed to do the right thing even when it's difficult. Succumbing to social norms and being easily influenced to do things that indirectly hurt people around you are not the qualities of a good man. The delineation of toxic masculinity and wholesome masculinity is because traditionally the traits of masculinity that help the world and the traits of masculinity that don't and/or cause more unjust damage to society have all been lumped under the category of masculinity. I proposed, some posts ago, that we should see a good role model then to prove non-toxic behaviour is practically enactable without making one a loser. That is because other people in this thread expressed concern about it.
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Post by 40oz on Nov 11, 2020 12:26:04 GMT -5
1. Poor argument. Most protests are peaceful, including in my country. How come the protests got violent only recently? I already said it. The police instigate the rioting by getting violent on the protestors. The police have heavy weapons, the law, the president, his loyal supporters, and a successful media manipulation campaign that creates infighting within on their side. They can't lose to peaceful protests. Sitting still while police are clubbing your friends to death, throwing tear gas at you and running you over with their cars will not win this fight. The powerless have no choice left. 2. Doesn't matter if they are rich or not. What about your average person working there? What about the average person living in those parts? Imagine not being able to take a walk in your neighborhood because a dumbass mob are causing chaos. We're talking about a protest against a corrupt policing system that serves the wealthy and treats the poor's lives as disposable. We've been living under an overly aggressive police force that's just getting stronger for over 20+ years. The channels for the poor to make a change to the policing system are closed off and dominated by the wealthy. Being able to have a walk in your neighborhood is a small luxury in a vastly corrupt system. It's a small cherry on the top of a giant dump sundae. We don't need the cherry when we're tired of eating shit. The police could just listen to their public and be better instead of treating us like criminals, and the riots wouldn't have to happen, but they're an unhinged political gang under Trump's leadership. They don't listen. That's why things get bad.
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Post by 40oz on Nov 11, 2020 12:31:55 GMT -5
I proposed, some posts ago, that we should see a good role model then to prove non-toxic behaviour is practically enactable without making one a loser. That is because other people in this thread expressed concern about it. I already did that You people are out of touch. ALL masculinity is toxic now, dontcha know. Don't control your emotions! Let them control you! Emotional Diarrhea for the win! Embrace the soy! "Traditional masculinity" officially labeled 'harmful' by the American Psychological Association. Really. That's silly. Here's a list of non-toxic masculine traits I can think of off the top of my head. - Being physically strong/good at sports - Having a healthy relationship with your parents - Being a present and attentive father - Treating your girlfriend/wife like a queen - Standing up for your girlfriend/wife when she's been wronged - Supporting your family - Helping people who need it - Volunteering to help with traditionally women's gender roles (like cooking or laundry) - Participating in 'girly' activities to bond with your daughter or niece if you have one - Having a natural affection for cute furry animals - Showing platonic physical affection towards your male friends (high fives, fist bumps, hugs, etc.) - Breaking up or diffusing physical fights and altercations between other men - Attention to personal grooming and fashion - Attention to personal care and your health - Being a good listener - Remaining in a state of learning (not always having all the answers)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 12:35:08 GMT -5
1. Poor argument. Most protests are peaceful, including in my country. How come the protests got violent only recently? I already said it. The police instigate the rioting by getting violent on the protestors. The police have heavy weapons, the law, the president, his loyal supporters, and a successful media manipulation campaign that creates infighting within on their side. Sitting still while police are clubbing your friends to death, throwing tear gas at you and running you over with their cars will not win this fight. The powerless have no choice left. 2. Doesn't matter if they are rich or not. What about your average person working there? What about the average person living in those parts? Imagine not being able to take a walk in your neighborhood because a dumbass mob are causing chaos. We're talking about a protest against a corrupt policing system that serves the wealthy and treats the poor's lives as disposable. We've been living under an overly aggressive police force that's just getting stronger for over 20+ years. The channels for the poor to make a change to the policing system are closed off and dominated by the wealthy. Being able to have a walk in your neighborhood is a small luxury in a vastly corrupt system. It's a small cherry on the top of a giant dump sundae. We don't need the cherry when we're tired of eating shit. The police could just listen to their public and be better instead of treating us like criminals, and the riots wouldn't have to happen, but they're an unhinged political gang under Trump's leadership. They don't listen. That's why things get bad. Trump?? People like Trump are not who made it so bad. It was dumbasses like Joe Biden, with his dumb crime bill! Don't think for a second that it's getting better under Biden, cuz it's not. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_Crime_Control_and_Law_Enforcement_ActDuring the 1992 presidential campaign, Bill Clinton sought to reposition the Democratic Party, which had previously been attacked as "soft on crime," as an advocate for "get-tough" policing strategies as well as investing in community policing. Federal funding for additional police and community policing were both priorities of the Democratic Leadership Council, of which Clinton was a member
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Post by 40oz on Nov 11, 2020 12:37:38 GMT -5
THEYRE BOTH RICH, THEYRE ON THE SAME TEAM
I've already told you a dozen times I don't support Joe Biden, fucking read my posts dude.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 12:43:24 GMT -5
40oz, by role model I implied an actual person (say, with documented biography) embodying these characteristics, not a list of traits. Or is it an uncommon definition on role model? I am not enjoying sourcing wikipedia, but it has a role model page - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role_modelA person. Not a list of things. The best role model is, of course, someone know personally or a parent, but for purpose of this discussion a person with a documented biography will do. A living person is capable of proving a point a list of things can not - that it is actually practically possible to do these things and be successful.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 12:44:45 GMT -5
@doomro and @vigilantdoomer, I would just ignore 40 at this point. He's clearly a troll. His modus operandi is to start a conversation, then change the subject and/or move the goalposts when his argument falls apart, then claim he knows more than anyone else because of his job, then try to discredit his opponents' sources as "propaganda", all while stating baseless assertions as fact without anything to back them up.
The term "toxic masculinity" is very obviously biased and is a blatant attack on males. If it wasn't, it wouldn't single out on gender over another, as bad behavior isn't specific to XX or XY chromosomes. There's nothing inherently toxic about being a man, and if you think so you're either quite stupid or a brainwashed, pussy-whipped beta.
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Post by 40oz on Nov 11, 2020 12:53:10 GMT -5
A person. Not a list of things. You don't know a single person who embodies any of those traits? I don't know a perfect man outside of characters on tv shows. It's not about being perfect. We are humans, we are flawed, that's fine. You can have toxic masculine traits and still have wholesome traits. It's not about being one or the other. You can have both. The current issue of toxic masculinity is when people say toxic masculinity doesn't exist. That all masculinity is innately fine with no toxic qualities of it. This is obviously ridiculous and warrants attention, and to deny its existence allows it to permeate. edit: maybe keanu reeves is someone we might both be familiar with?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 12:56:27 GMT -5
Toxicity does exist, sure, why do you narrow it to toxic masculinity, though? Toxicity exists in people of both sexes, in people of all ages. I used to think women had better personality traits than men, or that younger people were better than old, but I had been proven wrong on all accounts and thus I don't correlate toxicity with age or gender anymore.
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Post by 40oz on Nov 11, 2020 13:16:10 GMT -5
Toxicity does exist, sure, why do you narrow it to toxic masculinity, though? Toxicity exists in people of both sexes, in people of all ages. I used to think women had better personality traits than men, or that younger people were better than old, but I had been proven wrong on all accounts and thus I don't correlate toxicity with age or gender anymore. Because that's the topic of the thread. Unlike what @vordakk says about me changing subjects, the OP states the definition of toxic masculinity and asks if you have it. It doesn't ask if it exists, if other forms of toxicity are more important. It's talking about toxic masculinity. If you think you can make a serious, profound and poignant thread about toxic femininity or whatever other form of toxicity in order to deflect attention from yourself as a man, then go for it, but I'm pretty sure you and I both know that's the path of the modern day incel if you're willing to take that suggestion seriously.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 20:33:18 GMT -5
I was fine with the way we discussed it on the first page. What I don't like is you promoting the idea that we must accept that toxic masculinity exists and do something about it.
Specifically, I seek to preserve status quo on the matter people accepting it exists or not, admitting they have it or not, and expressing their opinion without someone attempting to shame them and sway them in other direction and insisting he talks from superior moral position.
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Post by BIG DICK NIGGA on Nov 13, 2020 9:16:21 GMT -5
This thread has become incredibly autistic, please keep entertaining me
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