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Post by deathevokation on Dec 13, 2017 3:44:02 GMT -5
This was quite a sad case of a woman getting a dose of the "paradox of tolerance" for not wanting to have sex with a man who has sex with other men and for warning the actress that was filling in for her about the fact.. there was absolutely nothing wrong with what she said as the rationale is safety which is at an all time low with the new fetish of "bug chasing" in California combined with the fact that knowingly giving someone HIV is now a misdemeanor and not a crime in her state (!!!) with the cherry on top of the shit cake being that this is the adult industry we're talking about here... and on top of all that; it's her body and her preference!
The story becomes even more twisted when these evil people double down on mocking her even after she's committed suicide... this is what I'm talking about when someone quotes the "paradox of tolerance" as some "get out of jail, free" card as if justify their virtuous piece of shit behavior, with their snarky and bitchy side comments, engaging in witch hunts without knowing what's going on with the person on the other side of the computer and treating people as if they've lost their right to be human..
This case is so wrong on so many levels, the biggest reason is because I remember vaguely that there was a word for not accepting "no" as an answer when a woman doesn't want to have sex... never mind the fact that guilt tripping someone as if you're entitled to fuck her is creepy and toxic as hell.
Damn it, part of me feels dead inside (and I know I shouldn't admit it here, but I guess I'll do it anyway because I'm an idiot) since I actually had one of her videos (well I deleted it now). anyway, the video explains my frustrations with regards to the case far better than I ever could.. ;P
rest in peace.. August.
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Post by 40oz on Dec 13, 2017 9:31:05 GMT -5
Based on that first tweet referenced in the video, I can kind of see why people would be upset about it. I think what she said sounds like something people in that industry talk about in confidence. Like it kinda requires a mutual understanding of the dangers of having sex with someone who's in gay porn, and is completely separate from any sort of homophobia. I have friends for example who have been waitresses their whole life, and they can't deny that there are some types of black people, indian people, or jewish people who don't tip. It's not all of them, and sometimes they are surprised with an overly generous tip. But between each other, the hostess can seat a family in that category of people, and the waitress would say something like "you're a bitch" to the hostess, and to an outside it would look like "you're a bitch for seating a black/indian/jewish family at my table because you know I hate that particular race" but what they're really saying is "you're a bitch for making me work for these people that, in my experience, are likely to not pay me very well" and that's what is understood.
This hysteria where people can't pretend to understand what someone's motivations are for saying certain things is fucking nuts, and it's killing people! It's so out of control, I can't even believe people are serious when homophobia, racism, transphobia, etc. takes precendence over any other possible interpretation. The real damage is that it's diminishing the seriousness of these subjects. I think these people are lacking the foresight to realize that they are turning these systemic problems into fucking memes.
It's really saddening how disassociative people are being when they are using these words where they aren't necessary. The words have way too much power, and when they are used irresponsibly, people can fucking die. This is a really extreme collision of ideas because there is a very thin line of defense trying to address that racism, homophobia, and transphobia is still real. There's a separate issue where we have fucking losers who either knowingly or unknowingly use these terms as a weapon to make people want to kill themselves without accepting any responsibility for it.
In my experience, dealing with homophobic, or racist people is extremely unpleasant. But I would never advocate killing these people, especially if we're so sensitive to these topics that we could be misinterpreting these qualities in people just as it happened with August Ames.
Holy fuck, we're in the fucking stone age, aren't we?
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Post by 40oz on Dec 13, 2017 9:53:56 GMT -5
That video is good, and I'm glad that guy is on the right side of this controversy, but he seems to be laughing as he's talking about this. The craziness, irony, and hypocrisy is pretty funny. I suppose because he reviews situations like this constantly on his youtube channel, he's pretty desensitized to the whole thing, so I get it. But I'm someone who doesn't really pay attention to twitter and instead just observes what people have to say about it from the outside, and this particular situation is a new kind of sociopathic premeditated murder we don't yet have laws for. This really needs to be looked into.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 12:07:12 GMT -5
I wonder if it's better to just shut up when people accuse you of being racist\homophobic\etc. I think in Taoism there is an idea that the best way to approach a conflict is to be like water. Because the more you fight something, kind of the stronger it gets, and that's what happened here. She started defending herself, people got ever more pissed, things turned into a fucking mess, too many emotions tangled up, and then... Just let the crazies be crazies.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 5:20:04 GMT -5
Based on what I've read, I piece together this image of a woman who was already troubled and this was just the tipping point. The people endlessly haranguing her until her suicide were the worst kind - a loud group of bullies. There are definitely plenty of gay people out there who wouldn't have given 2 fucks about her decision and seen it as her right to do as she wanted - it's not gay people overall, it's those so-called 'do gooders' who think they're making a positive difference by being bullies, essentially. Those asshats come in all shapes and sizes. It's insanity. Don't let pieces of shit like them color your view of gay people overall though, there are gazillions out there who would be outraged by the bullying and totally accepting of whatever choices she wanted to make. Not that it matters, but if you're in the porn industry, your chances of getting a disease are about the same regardless of what gender combos you're working with.
This whole things just sucks all around.
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Post by GRUG on Dec 14, 2017 23:22:33 GMT -5
She didn't want to do a sex scene with a man who has had gay sex in the past due to higher risks of contracting HIV/AIDS and various sexually transmitted diseases. She had every right to refuse and she explained her reasons behind it, yet the far left LGBT branded her as a bigot regardless. Simply because she stated a unpopular fact that homosexual men have a significantly higher risk of contracting sexually transmitted diseases. She probably feared the social backlash, and fear of losing a career.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 0:38:53 GMT -5
Her decision was ill informed as the porn industry has very different stats when it comes to the sharing of diseases when compared to the general public, but regardless, it should be plainly obvious to anyone that the choice is hers to make. The bullies were the kind of trash that expects the world to bend over to their every whim. Crazy shitshow with very unfortunate results..
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Post by 40oz on Dec 15, 2017 9:56:30 GMT -5
The bullies were the kind of trash that expects the world to bend over to their every whim. Crazy shitshow with very unfortunate results.. This description of these people piqued my interest. Whenever people say certain things, I try to think about the motivations behind why they say those things, because often when people are writing things on the internet, they do it with some sort of expectations that might happen after people read it. I try to avoid responding to written text as if it were said out loud, because a majority of internet disputes can be avoided simply by seeing the person's face as they say it, or the tone and inflections in their voice. When people write things, they are usually voicing what they're thinking about what they just read rather than what they would normally say to a person to their face with complete confidence. I guess what I'm trying to say is that most people are pretty nice, even if they occasionally have some sick thoughts. We spend a lot of time with people on the internet who share sick thoughts with each other in a therapeutic way that aren't appropriate to talk about with strangers. There's a lot of violent, sexually perverted, and psychologically disturbing entertainment that is generally okay to consume because we either have enough self control to behave normally around other people. Sometimes this stuff even assists us to behave normally around of other people, despite how fucking weird our interests in entertainment are. With that said, I don't think I've ever met a person who truly and confidently believes the world should bend down to their every whim. Or rather, I've never heard some self-describe their way of thinking in a way that is synonymous with that. Then again, I've never met every person in the world, and I may have only had a deep conversation with maybe 1% of all the people I've ever met too, so I guess I really don't know. But if you really did ask these people "why did you write something like that?" they should be able to come up with some sort of logical reasoning for what they are trying to accomplish with their words right? Have these people never been confronted with that kind of question before? Do they choke that question out before it's able to voice itself in their minds? There has to be a real reason for this, and it's definitely not for the betterment of society.
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Post by GRUG on Dec 15, 2017 22:37:29 GMT -5
Her decision was ill informed as the porn industry has very different stats when it comes to the sharing of diseases when compared to the general public, but regardless, it should be plainly obvious to anyone that the choice is hers to make. It's still a risk regardless and she didn't want to take it. It was her right to refuse having sex.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 22:52:34 GMT -5
As you know I agree entirely, I have no idea how these people justify their treatment of this woman in their minds. At the same time, should shouldn't have let it get to her the way it did. Dealing with criticism, even when unfair, is an important skill to have in an industry where you are exposed to so many people.
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Post by GRUG on Dec 16, 2017 15:06:12 GMT -5
As you know I agree entirely, I have no idea how these people justify their treatment of this woman in their minds. At the same time, should shouldn't have let it get to her the way it did. Dealing with criticism, even when unfair, is an important skill to have in an industry where you are exposed to so many people. I would assume that she was worried that her career was over because of her statements. People these days tend to not want to hire people who are branded as homophobic.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 18:49:21 GMT -5
I've always hated how simple allegations / witch hunts like this can totally destroy someones career and life. It's such an ape-minded way of working. I hate that certain extremest groups know this and use it to "take out" certain people they don't like. It's really nothing short of barbaric.
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Post by dn on Dec 17, 2017 9:11:24 GMT -5
Finally, a martyr I can masturbate to.
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