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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 8:10:04 GMT -5
One topic I find extremely difficult to discuss is animal killing. Specifically, the whole problem of which ones can be killed and which ones should be spared. It seems so tricky to figure out a good criteria. The intelligence criteria doesn't quite work so far since pigs are a lot smarter than some species we are trying to preserve. Killing only when it's necessary for survival and health seems like a decent idea, but it's not easy to decide which things we absolutely need and which can be replaced with human-made stuff (hello vegans). It's so strange how the values depend a lot on the culture and its history. Also for some reason pity for fluffy animals is a lot stronger than pity for insects or small things in the sea. And apparently species become more valuable when they are endangered, which is kind of anthropocentric I think. It's like we want to keep them so that they can continue entertaining us at the zoo and we're interested in saving them so that we can feel good about ourselves or something. It's weird. Pretty much the only thing I can agree on with most people is that we should be trying to kill less and less. It's hard for me to make a more definite statement without introducing a crapload of contradictions ("if that isn't okay, why is this okay?" and so on). The whole problem is very cynical and reminds me of questions like "the lifeboat can only take 5 passengers but you have 6, who do you throw in the sea?". It's like there are no good answers.
So, uh, any thoughts on the matter?
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Post by 40oz on Oct 30, 2017 9:01:42 GMT -5
For those reading who might not know who you are, it's probably worth mentioning that you're not posting this question in hopes of seeking justification so that you or anyone else can kill an animal. You're simply addressing the weird and complicated question that people can be sensitive towards eating some types of animals and insensitive to others without any clearly defined rules.
I have more to say but I wanna quick get that message in here lol
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Post by TOS on Oct 30, 2017 10:55:16 GMT -5
Humanity is destined to self destruct. We have become a parasitic species that the Earth will purge in time. Hell, at the rate we're going, we will probably purge ourselves from this place because, as a whole, we're too goddamn stupid to see that the splinters in our paws are from the trees we planted. So we try to remedy that by planting more fucking trees and keep wondering why we still have splinters.
Humanity's problem is that we have the ability to fool ourselves into thinking that we are more valuable than any other living organism...so we unapologetically rape the environment that we depend on to survive, willfully choosing to ignore that that isn't going to work forever.
But hey, as long as we can keep making plastics to make useless shit and using up our fossil fuels to run our machines because we're too fucking lazy to do things ourselves...heh...just smile, humanity, and remember that all you need to know is whatever the fucking television shows you. Tune in and continue to die a little more, you self serving parasites.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 11:33:36 GMT -5
Awaiting the end of the Kali Yuga my dudes. :/
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Post by 40oz on Oct 30, 2017 12:25:10 GMT -5
There's a book I've been meaning to read called "Eating Animals" by Jonathan Safran Foer. I listened to an interview with someone who referenced that book and they said that there was an experiment where people were shown a list of animals and the people were presented with a scenario that these animals would be slaughtered, and cooked to be eaten. The people were instructed to measure their compassion/guilt for these animals on a scale of 1-10 The results of the test showed there's a correlation between some of the traits the animals exhibit to how uncomfortable people felt about killing it. - Human-like characteristics - Animals that share commonalities in their anatomy with people, or exhibit human-like behavior. People are more likely to have less compassion for the scales and cold dead stare of a fish or a snake than something that has limbs and noticeable feelings in it's facial expressions like a cat or a chimpanzee.
- Size - Animals that are generally larger than the average person. People tend to show more empathy towards larger animals like Elephants or whales versus smaller animals like shrimp or mice.
- The noises they make - Animals that express vocal cries of pain. People are more uncomfortable with killing animals that wail when they are hurt, like a dog or a horse, versus animals that are nearly inaudible such as a crab or an insect.
I'm paraphrasing here, I'd have to read the book to follow the study more closely but those were the three main points i remember. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 10:18:54 GMT -5
People Eat Tasty Animals
I think the Bible actually covered this topic... Heh
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