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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 18:28:39 GMT -5
What are your general thoughts on conflicts on the internet? Do you get excited when you see them, are you the type of person to jump right in? Perhaps you feel like you're just wasting time on them and not getting anything in return other than the occasional lulz? Have you ever convinced someone or has anyone changed your mind in a heated debate? How seriously do you take that stuff?
I find it quite amusing when after sending a bunch of arguments over web I go on the street and feel kinda like "wow, could it just be that that shit doesn't matter at all?". Suddenly the breath of fresh air reminds me that there is a world outside with all sorts of things I could do instead. And then I find myself almost embarrassed.
I'm starting to feel that whenever a spark of negativity appears in an internet thread and someone responds to it, the whole thing is pretty much over and nothing useful will come of it. OK, maybe common sense and good moderation can still save the situation sometimes, but in most cases the discussion becomes a total joke with both sides basically talking to themselves and not listening. The internet is really convenient for that sort of "conversation" as the others can't control you that much.
Still, occasionally I just can't help but stare at the ongoing circus. And while I don't waste time writing dozens of long posts, I might make some quick sarcastic remarks to express my amusement and perhaps attempt to stir someone up a bit. What can I do, at times drama is sooo entertaining.
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Post by TOS on Oct 24, 2017 18:58:33 GMT -5
Online conflicts? Don't know...I have certainly never been involved in any of those...
I enjoy being involved in them...but that's mostly because I like hearing myself talk. I love typing out my opinions, providing reasons for my opinions, and sharing them. Whether or not anybody's mind is ever changed is of little interest to me. But I am happy when somebody like Doomkid responds in a respectful manner and engages in a usually mutually fulfilling discussion about the topic at hand. My core values have never been affected in any way based on what someone has said to me, be it online or in person.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 19:29:46 GMT -5
I usually feel immense frustration, and then get tired. Though I've been in conflicts that have spanned weeks, and even months I believe.
It's a weird dynamic when you actually like the person you're arguing with, because you genuinely strive to convince them. But then there's people that you just would like to see totally destroyed, and it can become venomous quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 20:39:10 GMT -5
Depends on the conflict and the location. Generally I like calling a cunt a cunt, but I’m equally happy giving props when they are due.
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Post by dn on Oct 25, 2017 9:00:34 GMT -5
Problem solving Arguing over the internet is hunting. It is a savage pleasure, and we are born to it.
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Post by 40oz on Oct 25, 2017 12:34:17 GMT -5
If you've never been in a real fist fight, or maybe a few unfortunate ones, you may have a very negative opinion about it. It just seems like an event where the only conclusion is that someone gets severely hurt, right? In most cases this is true. But some fighters actively look for people that measure up to them, because it can be very rewarding to have your fighting skills tested, or even get a lesson from someone who is better at it than you.
Debating is very similar. I actually really enjoy the collision of two unlike people battling with opposing ideas. I like searching for holes in an argument, predicting what the opponent might say, and working on expressing my opinions in a way that accurately summarizes my real feelings and what I really know on the topic. I also like forums because it can create a team structure where everyone gets a turn. Unfortunately it can be really stressful for some people, and they take it very personally, but I think it's because people feel great pressure when they feel they're being interrogated, or if they receive the message as attacking their person, and not their argument.
I think having a public forum where these ideas are put on the firing range is very useful. It helps people to identify problems in their own or other's line of thinking. It brings clarity to the specifics of issues that have gone long undiscussed. For me I think it's very valuable that people talk these problems out instead of letting untested ideas breed in their heads. Should anyone care to read it all, it's a lot of valuable information that is put out on the front line that you can't obtain from one another until people ask the right questions.
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Post by BIG DICK NIGGA on Oct 25, 2017 13:17:23 GMT -5
Enjoying it so much. IRL I can't do that because I lack the language skills to make a quickly thought out, witty statement that would offend, but on the Internet I have all of the time of the world to refine my toxicity as much as I want, really. I enjoy starting shitfests, it's fun!
At other times I do feel the urge to actually "point out" something, to call out someone who deserves to be called out, despite nobody else wanting to do it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 14:01:06 GMT -5
Enjoying it so much. IRL I can't do that because I lack the language skills to make a quickly thought out, witty statement that would offend, but on the Internet I have all of the time of the world to refine my toxicity as much as I want, really. I enjoy starting shitfests, it's fun! At other times I do feel the urge to actually "point out" something, to call out someone who deserves to be called out, despite nobody else wanting to do it. I think arguing with people on the internet has helped influence me to be more assertive IRL actually. It's made me more hyper-aware of verbal conflict, and how to respond to it. |
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Post by TOS on Oct 25, 2017 14:45:35 GMT -5
I think arguing with people on the internet has helped influence me to be more assertive IRL actually. It's made me more hyper-aware of verbal conflict, and how to respond to it. Raiden : I've had extensive training -- the kind that's indistinguishable from the real thing. Pliskin : Like what? Raiden : Sneaking mission 60, Weapons 80, Pliskin : VR, huh. Raiden : But realistic in every way. Pliskin : A virtual grunt of the digital age. That's just great. Raiden : That's far more effective than live exercises. Pliskin : You don't get injured in VR, do you? Every year, a few soldiers die in field exercises. Raiden : There's pain sensation in VR, and even a sense of reality and urgency. The only difference is that it isn't actually happening. Pliskin : That's the way they want you to think, to remove you from the fear that goes with battle situations. War as a video game -- what better way to raise the ultimate soldier? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 16:56:24 GMT -5
I don't like getting involved that much, I just get angry on the side-lines and silently agree or disagree nowdays.
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Post by 40oz on Oct 26, 2017 7:23:24 GMT -5
I'm on this constant pursuit for better information, so whenever I have a gut feeling about something that I think is right, I actually write the question into google that confirms the opposite.
For example, I play violent video games, but I don't think violent video games make violent people. Since I can only speak for myself, i google search "violence in video games corrupting children" or something to that effect, and legitimately look for the most convincing argument on that front, and weigh it against my own understanding of the situation.
When I have a hunch about something I believe is true, I actively avoid researching information that confirms what I believe until I feel I've absorbed the best of the opposite position. Then I look into the side I actually introspectively side with to see if the research holds up against it. In most cases, I'm lucky enough to find that the better research is on the side of my gut instincts, but sometimes this process surprises me and I'll find points that have been made that I can't find an answer to.
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Post by TOS on Oct 26, 2017 19:41:26 GMT -5
^I do something similar. In an attempt to broaden my own thinking, I will try to make arguments for ideas that I oppose (anti-gun legislation, for example). I find that this not only forces me to think outside of my comfort zone, but it better prepares for me for discussions with people whose opinions differ from my own.
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Post by joe-ilya on Oct 28, 2017 7:25:51 GMT -5
Conflicts aren't necesserily bad, these are just opinions which clash with each other, a thing that is happening everywhere, at work with colleagues, at an apartment with roomates, at school with the students/teachers, even in families. It's unavoidable, especially on as a diverse place as the internet where it's bound to happen everytime people talk with each other.
Bad conflicts are those where one or both sides are just being ignorant and incompotent in having a fair discussion and just have to constantly say "I win, You lose, nana-banana" like a bunch of toddlers, these kind of childish conflicts suck ass and I stay away from them when I see them get to that point.
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