TOS
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Oct 23, 2017 7:32:41 GMT -5
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Post by TOS on Oct 23, 2017 7:32:41 GMT -5
Nine months since he has taken office. My political opinions haven't changed...but my opinions about him have changed.
During the campaign, he was a shoot from the hip kind of guy. A real in your face person who wasn't afraid of being politically incorrect. He appealed to my desire for a more serious approach to our serious undocumented immigration problems. I especially admired his lack of constraint when addressing that most of that problem is coming from the US-Mexican border. He wasn't afraid of saying that it isn't always good people who come here seeking a better life...sometimes the people coming here are evading persecution and bringing their crimes here. He wouldn't change his words to spare feelings. He was someone I saw as brave.
Now I see him as someone who doesn't put enough thought into what he says. He still shoots from the hip, but his accuracy is off now. He doesn't always come off as informed. I think he is still trying to retain that shoot-from-the-hip style, but he is taking in much more information than he was before...and with that amount of information coming at you, you need to take the time to aim before you fire. The way he has been conducting himself...he doesn't seem to have the certainty or confidence that he had before.
I still hold many right-wing views...my views have not changed...but my opinion on Trump as an individual is changing. I am still glad it was him and not Clinton who won the election because her victory would have, in my mind, imposed an imminent threat to my ideals.
Anyone else here have any opinion shifts so far?
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Oct 23, 2017 9:35:01 GMT -5
Post by 40oz on Oct 23, 2017 9:35:01 GMT -5
Everything about this political climate seems to point to the flaws of the english language. There are things I can say about the man that would collide with what people agree with and in turn they will choose to believe that it suggests something seriously wrong with me to say something like it. So I'm kind of obligated to inflate my posts with so much detail to correctly articulate my message that clarifies what I mean to as many people as possible. There simply isn't a way to condense it into a few short sentences.
Saying that you "like" someone is a pretty ambiguous words because there are a lot of possible unrelated meanings that can be picked up from it should the reader make no effort to reach out to the person and understand what they like. It's even more complicated when you say you "respect" someone. For the sake of this post, allow me to separate the multi-meaning word "respect" that I might have for a person into two separate categories:
Category A - How such person approaches their own personal challenges -- Take for example, two people who are afraid of heights. One decides to bite the bullet and ride the tallest roller coaster in the amusement park. The other is too terrified and flees. The reason my respect may lie deeper in the first person than the second person is because I would better respect myself if I made decisions to face my fears and overcome them than I would if I were to choose to hide from them. I can see that Donald Trump likes being the best and I think we all know that there is no position in the world that is the most important and most critical position of authority. I think he knew he was going to be under fire and that this would be extremely difficult for him the moment he alluded the possibility of running for president. It's the paramount example of something that would be the absolute most challenging thing for someone who has the kind of personality he has. For that, I have great respect for him.
Category B - How one conducts oneself when granted authority -- There are a lot of places, things, jobs, and positions you can put yourself in where you have more or less accountability for your actions. Many people, for example, say things on the internet that they wouldn't normally say in a face to face interaction. Another example is coworkers often have different kinds of conversations with their work friends at the bar than they would in the workplace. I think Donald Trump seems to misplace his understanding of these things, fueling him to say pretty tactless things in places where he takes little consideration towards who is going to hear it. I think because he seems to be blind to this type of thing, I have little respect for him for that reason.
So in conclusion, I respect him greatly for Category A, and have little respect for him in Category B.
EDIT: I want everyone reading this to understand how annoying it is to write this much just to clearly explain why "I respect the man" while supressing the risk of misinterpretation.
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Oct 23, 2017 9:42:00 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 9:42:00 GMT -5
Trump is... decent. I think he's a poor spokesperson for the GOP, and makes too many stupid off-the-cuff remarks. That being said, I still support a sizable chunk of his policies. There are some things I see him do that make me go "hell yeah that is awesome" but then the next week, I'm like "fuck off this is stupid". So, it's a mixed bag overall.
To be honest, the more I learn and read about politics, the less I want to pick a side. Because I feel like there are aspects of both parties that are good and bad, but it's impossible to combine the best of both worlds. You just have to pick the lesser of two evils, at the end of the day. Maybe that's a very pessimistic way to view things, but I'm a very pessimistic person in general. So it's all good to me!
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Oct 23, 2017 9:46:15 GMT -5
Post by 40oz on Oct 23, 2017 9:46:15 GMT -5
Since my post was generally about his personality, I should also mention I have little knowledge of what he's actually doing because in this hurricane of fake news, it's exactly as difficult for me to understand news reports that say he's a piece of shit and he's ruining the country as it is to understand news reports that say he's very misunderstood and and he's actually doing a lot of awesome things this country has needed for a long time.
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Oct 23, 2017 11:00:17 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 11:00:17 GMT -5
There are many out there who are of the opinion that Trump purposefully tweets and says things that appear to be gaffs in order to trigger the left into exposing their level of radicality. Whether or not that's true, you have to admit that so far it's worked beautifully. The left has had some epic meltdowns over Trump tweets, and a lot of people have realized how insane their fringe elements can be.
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Oct 23, 2017 12:07:42 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 12:07:42 GMT -5
This Trump theory is really funny and it still sounds half true:
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Oct 23, 2017 12:25:20 GMT -5
Post by dn on Oct 23, 2017 12:25:20 GMT -5
He's an orange mongolid that has so far failed to build a wall or drain a swamp or start world war three.
If his presence wasn't preceded by the strange fire-alarm screeching of the autistic left then I seriously doubt I'd notice he was even there.
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TOS
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Oct 23, 2017 14:29:31 GMT -5
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Post by TOS on Oct 23, 2017 14:29:31 GMT -5
If his presence wasn't preceded by the strange fire-alarm screeching of the autistic left then I seriously doubt I'd notice he was even there. Fair.
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Oct 23, 2017 20:07:14 GMT -5
Post by Justince on Oct 23, 2017 20:07:14 GMT -5
There are many out there who are of the opinion that Trump purposefully tweets and says things that appear to be gaffs in order to trigger the left into exposing their level of radicality. So 'these people' are literally suggesting that Trump is tweeting ironically? Like some new-age Presidential hipster? Wow I don't know whats scarier, that someone could believe that or just how detrimental and horrifying that line of thinking is for a President, who would openly abuse such a position of power.
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Oct 23, 2017 21:54:45 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 21:54:45 GMT -5
So 'these people' are literally suggesting that Trump is tweeting ironically? Like some new-age Presidential hipster? Wow I don't know whats scarier, that someone could believe that or just how detrimental and horrifying that line of thinking is for a President, who would openly abuse such a position of power. I guess it depends on what you think of as "detrimental and horrifying". For me, Obama letting muslim extremists and dumbfuck rappers into the White House, and going on every late night talk show trying to act hip is way more detrimental in my view than the current POTUS throwing out some tweets to see what stooges from CNN take the bait.
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Oct 24, 2017 0:09:04 GMT -5
Post by Justince on Oct 24, 2017 0:09:04 GMT -5
Quick question, is Kid Rock a dumbfuck rapper and was he not in the White House? Okay then.
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Oct 24, 2017 1:51:50 GMT -5
Post by dn on Oct 24, 2017 1:51:50 GMT -5
Oh, this should be good. Let's count the dumbfucks who have visited the White House for purposes of propaganda. I'll see your Kid Rock and raise you an Elvis. Fuck, this is a country that elected Regan. Anything is possible.
You know why I don't shit bricks when your country curls a turd like Trump onto the presidential carpet? It's because he will ultimately achieve fuck all, because he's not the one who runs the fucking place. The same people agitating for war when Trump is president are the same people who would be agitating for war if Clinton were president. The people agitating for relaxing fiscal regulation when Trump is president are the same people who would be agitating for relaxing fiscal regulation if Clinton was president. The top 0.1% of society don't magically lose power overnight because they lost a bet on a two-horse race; they are the top 0.1% because they own both horses.
I guess one good thing is that Trump owes them less money than Clinton did.
This is why reeeeeing over this fucking shitshow is such a fucking joke. The left are fucking idiots who spend all day going full metal spastic about whether or not the fucking cushions are Male / Female, or Trump / Clinton, or, ultimately, Us / Them. The real problem is the fucking couch itself is irrevocably fuck-your-children Evil.
Is Trump baiting the left? Undeniably. Is the left so fucking brain-damaged that they fall for it each and every time? Yes, because the end result of training generation Xyr to be so fucking triggered and insular is that they are actually incapable of looking past their own fucking neurosis and seeing the bigger picture.
tl:dr; - Fuck both sides of your crapular country, listening to a Republican - Democrat debate is like staring through a portal into an autismal hellscape from which only the screaming of mongoloid children can escape.
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Oct 24, 2017 3:14:35 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 3:14:35 GMT -5
I disagree with a lot of Trump's rhetoric, specifically when it comes to taxation and immigration (particularly the "I want a literal wall" bit as that would do sweet fuck all to prevent people overstaying their visas which accounts for the majority of illegals), but it really doesn't matter because the real puppet masters are going to pull whatever strings they want at the end of the day. As far as news media, it seems to exist not to spread any awareness of anything at all, but rather to simply take the focus off the important shit - policies and lawmaking, namely - and divert it to meaningless showmanship, in this case, Trump's twitter account.
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Oct 24, 2017 12:32:05 GMT -5
Post by 40oz on Oct 24, 2017 12:32:05 GMT -5
What do you think Donald Trump will do post-presidency? Leak a bunch of crazy shit out? Talk shit about the current president? Go back to business as usual?
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TOS
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Oct 24, 2017 12:42:30 GMT -5
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Post by TOS on Oct 24, 2017 12:42:30 GMT -5
I don't think he'll leak. He knows what the repercussions for that would be.
I imagine shit talking and eventually nothing.
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Oct 24, 2017 15:23:51 GMT -5
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Oct 28, 2017 19:31:21 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 19:31:21 GMT -5
I was shopping yesterday and found this wonderful Donald Trump "book."
The back cover is equally as wonderful!
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Oct 31, 2017 8:15:13 GMT -5
Post by 40oz on Oct 31, 2017 8:15:13 GMT -5
The front cover of that book starts out playful but the back cover kinda plummets. You can kinda see how the direction of the speech moves towards a path of decoding the satire and in turn breaks character, sucking out the entertainment. Once the fun is completely absent, the final conclusion literally spells out the meaning of joke in pretty vitriolic terms. I like it, but it also saddens me that the person went in such great length to make sure the joke wasn't lost on people.
On another note, I think the only person in the white house who has a harder job ahead of them than Donald Trump is Sarah Huckabee Sanders, who has to speak on Trump's behalf and explain his intentions, interpret his tweets, and make sense of the logical pathing of his brain. It's horrible to watch how painful it must be to appear there and represent the administration, standing strong and controlling the conversation at these live televised press conferences while she just gets fucking roasted by leading questions and accusations made by reporters. No person could ever seriously look good in a position like that. It's self-abuse like I've never seen before.
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Oct 31, 2017 18:26:23 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 18:26:23 GMT -5
Yeah I agree they go a bit too far on the back “synopsis.” For those that don’t know these are empty “books” used for storage purposes. There are other great titles there like The Cat in the Hat, 1984 and the Complete Works of William Shakespeare.
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Oct 31, 2017 18:51:43 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 18:51:43 GMT -5
A satirical book about Trump that wasn't overtly hamfisted could be hilarious. Just believable enough for some to enjoy, just enough hints of sarcasm and shade for others to enjoy. I'd get a good laugh.
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