Doom community happenings

All this shit about people censoring each other and forming exclusive groups to wield that power just proves one thing to me:

Might makes right.


Morality, talent, respect, politeness, etc. None of that really matters in the end.

Redneckers is a fed!   Even though he did make a good point somewhere about more reasonable trans people taking a lack of flack due to the trendsexuals.

I added VietDoom to the list of Banned wads/mods they supressed.

Good points. The remaining staff is probably depending on or hoping things just quiet down. Now that these ideas are out, they're just going to have to dread that at any point their nightmares may come true. Or maybe nothing more will become of it. Who knows, but they can be as uncomfortable as they deserve for now.

Bruh. Posts that got the most likes are the most retarded.

I think John Carmack would happily cancel himself if it meant never having to deal with the type of people involved in leftist circle jerks like that.

What an absolute utter fucking f@ğğøt Holy shit. I would kill myself if I said something like this fully unironically

And it's funny how the only reason they want to "cancel" the foundational pillar of the entire community... for no reason at all other than *mingling with people they don't like.* No statements or attitudes of JC's are mentioned. He's just going to a conference of people they don't like.
Do you have friends some of your other friends don't like? That's it, cancelled.

Also Murdoch's post is good. People always hold opinions for a reason relevant to their life, even when those opinions might be considered horrible by some.

EDIT: LEXIMAX HAGAGAGAGAGAGGAAGGAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN

Carmack's a data man. Opinions are arrived at based upon empirical evidence. And we can't allow that.

Reality is fucking based.

These people make me angry but then I wonder if I could reason with them and I don't think it's possible. They are ideologically possessed. They immediately think the people on the basedCon are horrible humans. That's their default position. There is nothing in the based manifesto that says "we hate certain groups". It's really like "we hate this invasion of our hobbies by that term that doomkid hates but is a keyword (aka a dogwhistle ) in those groups to actually describe what you mean". It's really "If I am pro-gun or pro-life or believe there are just 2 genders, or let forbid someone cannot say racist shit against white people and posit that they are not racist but anti-racist", if these are my opinions, I am not just a shitty person. But these people think that. I am definitely in their list. And if someone liked my work, they try to be "nice" like "We don't hate you, we think someone took your brains out, you have lead to extremism unwillingly, we have pitty for you now".

I know I should ignore but many times I can't take it. I feel like one side of the political spectrum has become absolutely possessed. I see the replies and they are mostly angry for JC supported "shitty-people" (aka absolutely subhumans). They won't be able to see that those "shitty people" are actual real people with lives and hopes similar. No, they are the monsters! They see everyone remotely adjustent as that. And secondly, nobody is reacting like "No, Cancelling others is wrong!". People just say "Hmm.. how do we do it? He is not in a big compamny, we cannot fire him, he is not relevant". PEOPLE JUST FUCKING CASUALLY discussing "Hmm.. cancel eh? Initeresting idea but maybe it's not worth it". THEY DONT criticize it.

How can you reason with these people? One side of the political spectrum doesn't want to touch events like that. But you know, if there was an LGBT-CON for sci-fi or something, I know some of the based camp, maybe would consider. They wouldn't think it as much as the devil, like I am not touching that. They would be annoyed by the "word that doomkid is annoyed by" agenda, the diversity stuff and all that has invaded the culture, but they wouldn't think "IF I GO TO THIS EVENT I MUST BE FRIENDS WITH STALIN". They just wouldn't think it in such extreme terms. There are people who support this "anti-word that doomikd doesn't like" fightback, who are center, center left or very left leaning. And there are a lot of conservcatives of course because you pushed them away. And of courses why wouldn't more far right people support this side, which now is more logical and reserved and less intolerant of other positions than the left?

But now call everyone who remotely is connected or believes 1% of their statement (and why libertarianism, as bad as it might be in your political opinion, immediately slot people into far right?) call them nazis. You create a new group of the anti-word that doomkid hates, that are far more logical and sensible and interesting and free to discuss with, than the others idea. As James Lindsey says "Who radicalied you? You RADICALIZED ME!"

There are generally two types of people in this world. Those that will try to use logic to understand the world around them and those that blindly follow any dogma presented by their in-group. Reasoning will never be possible with most of them and their opinions will only shift as a collective. It's likely there are sheepdogs with post-modernist beliefs nudging the herd.

likes on noisyvelvet posts count as 100 each tho so i win.

First, you need to make peace with the fact that every person experiences their own cognitive biases. You can't count on anyone to be the model for your personal code of ethics. You can consult people and data for ideas, but those ethics are yours to have. At the end of it, people do what they feel is right for them. (Or, if you're well read, it's all deterministic, we're all gonna die and nothing matters anyway)

Second, there's fundamental failings on every side in the Doom community if you're looking for anything enlightening surrounding this game at all. I'm not going to pretend to not understand either side's points, because I do, wholeheartedly. I just can't come to terms why either party plays doom if it's not a tool you can use to shamelessly abandon your principles for a moment while you experience the inexplicable primal joy of fast, uninhibited travel that rewards violent responses to any entity that poses an obstacle to you. The fact that the game suggests with its graphics that you're human, use man-made weapons, and play in semi-realistic environments is pretty much the only thing grounded about this game. What ever made John Carmack your hero in the first place?



So you're a 'facts don't care about your feelings' guy? Logic rules all and capitalism wins?

1. You play Doom for fun. Fun is a feeling. Time to quit, hypocrite.

2. The game manual's back story says you were discharged for swinging on a commanding officer for ordering you to fire on civilians. You took this job and you should follow your orders, or resign from your position so you can leave civilly. The endgame text also talks about rebuilding earth for mankind, but for what? If they didn't survive then maybe they weren't meant to thrive in this universe. Survival of the fittest.

3. Empirical data shows that community spaces with an active moderation policy that deplatforms members that speak in an offensive manner yield higher engagement and long term use with the general population. (see the failure of competing platforms like parler for example.) This is the demand to the platform's supply, and is capitalism working as intended, so learn to love it.

So the system is rigged and harms disenfranchised people and needs to be stopped?

1. Those fellow marines are externally posessed and want to kill you? No time for first aid. Put bullets in their heads. With no explanation, the game xenophobically and emotionlessly encourages you to kill everything that doesn't look like you and advance to the next kill arena before you can process what you've done.

2. Oh, you play pacifist and let infighting do the work? This is a model of the neoclassical oligarch's method of sowing division to conquer the poor. But you're not the class hero. You're the oligarch.

3. Find me a true marxist that can justify this in-game message.

Fair enough.