NuMetalManiak
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Post by NuMetalManiak on Apr 2, 2021 7:31:19 GMT -5
www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/120858-why-do-pwads-almost-never-have-a-story/Do you guys think that people like rdwpa actually farm likes on dw or something? I have seen this same scheme multiple times: newcomer posts question, within 2-3 replies le cool forum veteran (usually rdwpa or esselfortium) gives a short reply (sometimes consisting of one sentence) and gets an astronomical number of likes, often significantly more than any other reply in the thread. I'm starting to find that suspicious as hell. Or is it just a case of "/thread" and I should take my meds? Having observed almost EVERY aspect of Doomworld in detail, this is absolutely 100% true. Even though the reply is a decent one without any condescending to it, it's easy to make an observation that two people can post the exact same answer to a thread and only one of those members will get more likes then the other one based off of "status" or whatever, just as long as they are friends with higher-ups or something like that. I know this through sheer observation of many different threads. Heck I remembered one person echoed a right answer and got more likes than the answer itself. |
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40oz
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Post by 40oz on Apr 2, 2021 9:19:16 GMT -5
I've had occasional random people reach out to me with side by side discord screenshots of a map they made posted week ago, against the screenshots posted of so-called elite members' maps within the last few minutes. No reactions to their own work, but floods of heart reacts and comments for the other. And the mapper's work is doubtlessly and objectively better in every aspect. Atmosphere, lighting, detail, presentation, etc.
The aspect of perceived fame/status in the doom community is so shitty. It sucks because as a mapper, my come-uppance as any kind of person of note was much easier back then than it is now, for sure. There's a ton of amazing talent in the community that is practically invisible because they can't get the support or attention from those of higher status. And the quality of these higher status community members is really... not great.
I remember people always making me feel delusional for thinking this, but plausible deniability is real.
I had to have subconciously known this when I released that demo of UAC Ultra 2. I suicided my reputation with doomworld because I wanted to be absolutely sure people didn't like UAC Ultra 2 for who I am and instead would be forced to comment on the maps alone as its own product without possibly hurting the feelings of someone who might have some influence on their fate in the community.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 9:47:04 GMT -5
Guys, I think all of us here have problems with Doomworld and perhaps many of the people there but I think you are ignoring the elephant in the room. As much as I love the new Doom games, the new community is downright retarded. I'd take the Doomworld people any day over some rando from Reddit, who shares the most braindead memes, has never even finished Plutonia or made a map, who screams Rip and Tear from the top of his lungs, who can't appreciate a good level ANY day. I cringe at the thought of these people infesting the mapping scene and making videos of my WADs with dumb gameplay mods.
Without giving names, I don't really like many of the people over there anymore, but I still respect them as mappers and doomers. I'm sure if you sat at a table with them, you could at least have a good conversation about what makes a good Doom map.
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40oz
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Post by 40oz on Apr 2, 2021 9:50:51 GMT -5
@doomro, i felt that, hard. It is really annoying, the doom 2016/eternal people are a community of their own, and it's very messy. I've been hoping to pull them into old doom community with doomer boards project, either as players or as mappers. It seems like doomer boards is growing but how they found this place at all isn't really measurable afaik.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 10:10:40 GMT -5
@doomro , i felt that, hard. It is really annoying, the doom 2016/eternal people are a community of their own, and it's very messy. I've been hoping to pull them into old doom community with doomer boards project, either as players or as mappers. It seems like doomer boards is growing but how they found this place at all isn't really measurable afaik. I really like the new games, I really do but the community is complete cancer. So please don't bring more of them here. I had a conversation with a few of them a few days ago. I was asking if I was the only one who missed non-linear level design, lightweight lore, environmental storytelling. They either had no idea what I was talking about or they downright dismissed what I said, saying that all they cared about was killing stuff. I was pretty dismayed tbh and I don't want them to meddle with the classic modding scene. They don't know how to appreciate a good level with good atmosphere and environmental storytelling over dumb wiki-style lore. If you take a look at the people over at DW who registered in or after 2020, almost all of them make very low quality posts and threads. Just take a look at this |
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good-old
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18 year old dumb kid.
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Post by good-old on Apr 6, 2021 2:24:18 GMT -5
Damn that's some hard cringe. I also agree with them being cancer, and (Ctrl + C, Ctrl + V everything that @doomro said)
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Post by printz on May 6, 2021 7:26:14 GMT -5
WTF, doomro appears as "Deleted" to me, did he leave the forums on his own volition, or was he banished from here?!
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 7:28:50 GMT -5
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matador
You're trying to say you like DOS better than me, right?
I feel asleep.
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Post by matador on May 7, 2021 0:47:12 GMT -5
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walterc
Doomer
Hell Knight Best Grill
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Post by walterc on May 11, 2021 3:18:30 GMT -5
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matador
You're trying to say you like DOS better than me, right?
I feel asleep.
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Post by matador on May 11, 2021 23:28:48 GMT -5
That's really helpful, thanks for sharing Walt (and thanks for creating the thread Aisleen). I like getting to actually see the textures without having to download. |
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Deleted
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 14:58:14 GMT -5
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xeepeep
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Forever
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Post by xeepeep on May 17, 2021 16:16:43 GMT -5
Since when is major Arlene a mod?
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joe-ilya
Hey, Ron! Can we say 'fuck' in the game?
a simple word, a simple turd
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Post by joe-ilya on May 17, 2021 23:16:16 GMT -5
IIRC she wrote for the latest Cacoward.
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Post by printz on May 18, 2021 4:25:27 GMT -5
I guess it was to avoid people flocking up to throw baseless speculations, given Tormentor667's recent ego publicity stunt (farewell my friends! oh, farewell from modding that is, I just won't start another big project  ). But this bothers me, because I really use that site a lot, and it would have helped to get updates in that thread. I guess I'll post the question on the ZDoom forums if nobody else does. Has anyone made backups of the content stored there? The main challenge with doing so is that I want the credits and descriptions to also be backed up, so I don't see just some isolated wads with resources and no other info. |
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walterc
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Hell Knight Best Grill
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Post by walterc on May 19, 2021 16:57:06 GMT -5
For me realm667 works good... I don't get why that is thread was blocked but ok.
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walterc
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Hell Knight Best Grill
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Post by walterc on May 21, 2021 11:02:58 GMT -5
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zedonk
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Saint Zed the Heretic
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Post by zedonk on May 21, 2021 18:17:22 GMT -5
Sounds interesting. Shame I won't have time to participate.
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walterc
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Hell Knight Best Grill
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Post by walterc on Jun 6, 2021 7:47:17 GMT -5
Oh well, this escalated quickly. www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/122470-dynamite-duchess/Didn't played yet, but looks like one of those funny Impie TC's that unluckily had the bad idea to inject Covid in the wad plot (a sort of no-vax way of seeing a world pandemic into a political affair only, at least according to the DoomWorld politics gang) of this fictional steampunk Napoleonic Sweden (then changed to Finland) story. And from this point everything goes downhill, with everyone attacking him for the "political" use of the mod and few people actually playing it, leading to the block of the thread. This actually makes me think if it's good to make a mod based upon a "bureaucratic hell" concept (my idea for Deadly standards 4 theme) or if it will be seen as a some of political attack by someone... |
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Lobo
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Post by Lobo on Jun 6, 2021 8:10:24 GMT -5
Scubasteve and Major Arlene...of course.
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NuMetalManiak
Doomer
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Post by NuMetalManiak on Jun 6, 2021 8:11:59 GMT -5
^^Was seriously about to post that thread.
Also to Xeep apparently Not Jabba said a while back he was gonna expand the moderation team so Arlene along with rd, Bridgeburner, and maybe a few others are mods now. I tried to explain to Not Jabba that this is a seriously bad idea (because I know several teams I used to be in that had multiple mods go belly up) but my post was deleted. Bottom line though, more mods = more mess and I've seen it happen firsthand.
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joe-ilya
Hey, Ron! Can we say 'fuck' in the game?
a simple word, a simple turd
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Post by joe-ilya on Jun 6, 2021 10:20:18 GMT -5
Most of the previous DW mods are no longer active, replacements have been needed for a long time.
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Deleted
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 10:46:26 GMT -5
At this point I'm not even sure if calling them moderators is right since the term "moderator" would imply to be impartial, at least to some extent, but we learned from this and past incidents that they don't even try do that.
"I have to applaud him getting 3 pages out of this :DDD" lol wtf are you doing then? The shitstorm was already boiling from the first posts and everyone was acting like they knew that that was bound to happen with something provocative like that. And I thought that Wads & Mods and the Dooming subforums had a stricter stance of "no politics allowed" but I guess it's okay to dogpile the mapper and end it only after everyone got a bit of a show.
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40oz
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Post by 40oz on Jun 6, 2021 10:57:06 GMT -5
totally coordinated.
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Lobo
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Post by Lobo on Jun 6, 2021 12:11:41 GMT -5
They shut it down quick depending on who is involved.
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