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Doomerboard Apologeticia

What the fuck is this shit about “DB's politics?”

I'm looking at this thread and Dew (of course, it's fucking Dew) is spraying complete shit. And I'm fed up with this constant assumption that we are somehow a right-wing site, that all members here are some sort of alt-right Deathsquad just waiting for the opportunity to start Kristallnacht II: Jew Boogaloo.

I'm fed up of the demonization from these fucktards, tagging people as “Doomerboard Apologists” - as if that has the same connotation as Vichy. In this argument there is only one side arguing for the other to be castigated, othered, censored and banned. There is only one side that demands that all members walk lock-step to the tune of Doomwelt Über Alles. There is only one faction that – despite outnumbering the other a hundred times over – claims priviledge as Minority Right.

I'm fed up of people slagging and slandering when I have no fucking recourse to counter their claims because – surprise surprise – those who have the linguistic and intellectual ability to counter their arguments are banned as a matter of course.

So, pay attention, you pus-gargling sophist fucks: Doomerboards has no politics. I very deliberately let people argue their position, and it's not my fucking fault that the majority of ultra-lefties are so pathetic that they get raped to death in the first three paragraphs of debate. It is not my fault that you useless, mentally retarded cretins have no fucking arguments beyond “ban ban chocolate I mean ban.” It is definitely not my fault that you have decided that, in order to create a utopian community, all those with differing views must be quietly done away with. It's not my fault that the younger members of your forum are so fucking indoctrinated and mollycoddled by hugbox mentality that they can't win a fucking argument with Glenzinho.

tl; dr: Dew can't win a fucking debate with a mentally retarded Australian. So his opinion is null and void.

And yes, this place originally existed as a place for people to voice opinions they couldn't safely express on DW. As if that is a bad thing, as if freedom of speech is now so dangerous that you need to call the bombsquad in to defuse a Technician post rather than – *tosses dart at board* – just voicing alternative solutons to 'lol gas the kikes racewar now'. As if our history as freedom of speech advocates – as edgy SA diaspora and chan graduates – is something to be ashamed of. News flash: it's not. We're all oldfags, and we adopted the proud faggot to prance upon our banner because that was what people called us nerds back in the day. Rant and rail about homophobia if you want, but you can fuck off if you think policing language will somehow erase the simple truth of our origin.

What else... oh yeah, this assumption that transphobia is “hard baked” into Doomerboards. It's not, it's just that my own personal opinion is that 90% of trans people are just the next evolution of fucking Furry. I think that “hatching eggs” is another word for “child grooming”, that the average neckbearded fuck from DW has about as much right to be in the womens shower room as Ed Gein, that you have mistaken polite indifference to acceptance of a science-denying ideology and that being a mentally retarded man in a wig somehow makes you immune to criticism.

“oh no dn, how can you say this, where is your evidence?”

Answer: I've fucking met you. Fuck you, and fuck your social contagion.

See, we have freedom of speech here. I can say shit like that. You are more than welcome to debunk me if you want – because that's what Doomerboards is founded on – but I assume you won't. You'll just sit in your fucking hugbox / bunker as per usual, waiting until the next convenient occasion arises for you to take a cowardly pot shot before ducking back down.

Go fuck yourselves, you worthless wastes of skin.

Did Quake II and Hexen have torture fetish? Did Shadowman draw inspiration from those?

Also, he did used tortured men depiction in Cheogsh 2, a lot. After all, he used stuff from Quake's universe, (the influence of Quake II was especially prominent in Cheogsh 2) and there is a lot of torture depiction and torture sounds in Quake II.

So it's not a fetish, it's a love of a certain aesthetic (the latter does not imply sexual arousal, while the former one does). An aesthetic that was very prominent in id games (and raven software games, too), and I must say I really like the Hexen grim atmosphere. It was a lot darker game than Doom, and it also seemed oddly more serious than Doom. Which is also can be said of Cheogsh 2.

I have not tried Ascension yet, so I used one of past Shadowman's project as an example. An example I hold in high esteem, and it was also a runner up to cacowards. As well as Cheogsh the first one actually winning one, and the third installment in Cheogsh trilogy being a runner up as well (although the latter was less grim and was humourous at times).

Doomworld used to be sane in the past, but is drifting away for several years already. Also, when it was good, Not Jabba was not a part of cacoward team, and a lot of people who are popular now were not even registered. I also lurked around from time to time, never registering for all these years.

Wow, thank you for pointing that out. The historical revisionism is real. For some reason I thought they are hardcore archivists and will keep everything, but you've reminded me the good old wisdom that when it comes to backups you can't rely on anyone but yourself.

doom needs sex. I am an 11 year old boy who often fantasizes about sex I want sex I am virgin. doom sex could help me have real sex please id software give me sex I am very lonely please id software what must I do to see the imp have its brown round cheeks clapped by the pinky demon like damn give me likes and awards so doom sex is made real.

welcome to hitlerland Lobo , enjoy your stay.

anyway there's archive.is for anyone's archiving needs, they may or may not delete shit on request but given they were blocked in Aus after that Brenton Tarrant thing (for fear someone would read his manifesto I guess) I suspect they generally don't.
Speaking of which I archived the 'Is no one else worried by the dangerous precedent being set by the moderation team?' after the sanitising of the Ascension thread in case it was deleted too (prolly won't happen now but you never know):
archive.is/gZxRV
archive.is/hWAFi
archive.is/pBFVs

They are apparently blocked in Russia as well, at least my ISP blocks it.
Of course, I can use circumvention tools (but usually don't do this when accessing doom related forums). The downside of using some of them is that if cloudflare is used, it usually asks for captcha and enabled javascript, so I give up on such cases.

lynn,
English is not my native language so I may have not read into the fine line between "unwarranted" and "offensive", however - and possibly because of this - my perception was based on the context. Specifically, you said: "if you think the mod itself must be defended in any shape or form, please don't." - which I included in that quote, and by the way, intentionally so, because although I originally wanted to quote a smaller part of your text, I've realized that without including this line the quote is incomplete. I took this quote to mean - again the rest of the text must be considered - that the mod cannot be defended, that the mod is vile, has "no shortage of unwarranted content" of which content Not Jabba only pointed one example, and the inclusion of such content is an argument that supports your opinion of "the mod cannot be defended". That such mod cannot be defended in the same way that terrorism cannot be defended - strict prohibition of "defense of terrorism" is now international standard, legally enforced in some countries, including where I live for example, in particular merely voicing an opinion that defends terrorism or a particular instance of act that can be described as terrorism or attempting to excuse behaviour of a person who performed such an act (including by labeling it something other than terrorism or because that person suffered a trauma and the act was what they felt inclined to do) is a criminal offense or the person voicing this will be tried as such. Of course, I don't take it that you considered it a crime to defend a mod (that is, I didn't interpret it that any person that defense the mod should be tried in court), but rather that you considered it a moral transgression to defend the mod, and that anyone who wants to be part of community must agree on the fact that defending the mod constitutes a moral transgression. I also assumed (although I originally didn't pay attention that you were the author, but either during writing my post or shortly thereafter I did discover this) that you originally took a different opinion when posting a thread, but then changed your opinion as the result of pressure (such as to avoid being banned or marginalized by DW staff or community members).

That is how I read it, although it seems to conflict with what you are saying now - specifically, you seem to be defending the mod. So either there is truly a misunderstanding over the quote, or your position has changed multiple times.

Have a nice day too.

Smite of Disrespect,
that opinion (displayed on the image) cites no examples. I can only think of the examples were forums that start liberal and allow for people with differing opinions to exist transition - through the trend of bullying behaviour - to the point where there is eventually increasing pressure to conform and orthodoxy, but am not willing to provide examples either. And in such circles sometimes a new forum is created, a liberal one, by those refugees from orthodox forum, and the cycle repeats itself - a few year after there is once again bullying and orthodoxy. However, in the examples I think of a liberal does NOT imply left wing and orthodoxy does NOT imply right wing. And I wonder if the quoted person actually is confused and actually equates free speech with left wing politics and orthodoxy with right wing politics. Because the example I think is that where orthodoxy still exists within a subculture that is not mainstream, and also cannot be described as right wing (as such subculture itself is a minority group), it is a diversity of opinions within the subculture that is suppressed as the time goes.

And it is not about right wing, its about all people eventually want to be seen as hardcore, so if such people come and are not banned, eventually everyone acts like them. This is called toxicity.

And Doomworld is actually in stage of orthodoxy and bullying, with doomer boards being the liberals. The thesis, however, would be that doomer boards can become the same years later, and so a new forum may be created for those who can't stand doomer boards anymore in the same way doomer boards was created by those who couldn't stand what doomworld became.

Next DBP let's replace some of the dead hanging human decorations with dead hanging woman decorations, just to take a shit on this whole topic.

I was thinking giving one of the existing sprites a big pink bow on the head and nothing else.

I'd like to write some thoughts without necessary agreeing or disagreeing but understanding the position of most people in the communities. Not thinking about the side which tries to nitpick every little detail as offensive (as Not Jabba) and neither about the side of the creators of this wad who may for any reason put such elements (whether it's with the purpose to trigger or not).
I am thinking of what you said here, and I was also thinking of something Scuba Steve said somewhere in the forums (which messages might be deleted by now) and it's more clear food for thought than anything else coming from the "pillow fight". So, at least it gives me some perspective of understanding about users, creators and admins who lightly lean towards the censor side maybe just to keep things in peace and focus on their own interests without being ostracized.

The idea I get from the discussions is that since most people want to take part in the community without getting into drama and since also the culture has changed, it wouldn't be that much of a loss if creators would remove some little elements that are not even 1% of their work, just to not trigger others in the community and create unnecessary fights. How much of a harm would removing that easter egg when the WAD is enormous 18 levels with so much other content? Is the creator stubborn doubling down? Just by not doing this and not using one triggering word in the obituaries, would makes us all happy and the creator too. If it's so simple, why does the creator complicate this?

It was expressed as I said in a Scuba Steve post. It was a polite and thoughtful post, I liked it and it made me think. His idea was that back in time in his Action Doom 2 Urban Brawl wad he put something homophobic (Sidenote, if by homophobic he means the level where you fight the YMCA Village People crew as final boss, facepalm,. I never found this homophobic and it was even brilliant, one of the highlight of that map with the music starting and the sprites of the different outfits! In that case, if it was removed, I would be "Oh why? Whyyy?" But anyway,. it's the creator, he can do as he pleases). And going back after the big parenthesis, his idea was "People came and told me they were triggered by that and it was homophobic and maybe many years ago it seemed like a good idea to me but now things have changed and I regret it. Believe me, in the future in 2030 you will be looking back at your Ascension WAD and regret that back in time you put that easter egg. Why do you end up painting your creations with a negative element, and even doubling down when in the future you will look back and think what was I thinking back then?"

So, I totally understand the sentiment. And practically, I am not gonna bother telling any creator what to finally decide to do with their work, whether to censor it or not.

BUT. There is something bothering me there. It's hard to describe. There is a feeling of moral superiority and domination that describes itself like this:
- We are better people now, not like these awful nerds in the 90s.
- Why are you not just a better person too? Do you want to still be like those assholes in the 90s?
Many creators just want to avoid drama and continue interacting with the community. Some of them are already established and famous for their work so why destroy it everything now?
It's just a small change, to lightly censor a small part of their work and everything will be fine. I promise it will be only this..
- Hey, I just was convinced it's not worth it to double done on this, since the culture has changed and I wish to understand it and thus be a better person.
- Why don't you do it too just like me?
Then more creators follow the lead.
Then those who remain are feeling like outcasts.
- But it's just not put sexualized things in your mod and no mention of "rape".
- In 2030 when the culture will have changed even more, you will look back and feel bad about that work you did 10 years back. Do you want that? Why not just be like the rest and accept the new normal?
Who knows if this will stop before that, or new things will be censored in 2030. And then we will ask a creator to assimilate because maybe in 2040 they will look back and feel like a horrible person?

And that's like a cloud. A cloud of new normality that is spreading, very relevant to the political cultural wars outside Doomworld which unfortunately become more polarized by the day. A cloud that is spreading into many nerd communities, not just Doom (gaming, comics, movies, series, music, recently D&D again) anything that has become pop culture or more mainstream anyway (while 20-30 years ago it wasn't big and nobody cared) and it has this insidious effect. It presents itself like a positive change, something of tolerance and diversity, but manifests in authoritarian tones and the persons involved, are under some sense of moral superiority.
- "I AM the better person AND I will clean up the community from all those virgin neckbeard nerds in the 90s who made it hard for women. Because I am better than you!"

And many people follow. Because they also want to be "better than you". They don't want to be left back and be the outcasts, the assholes, the horrible awful nerds.
Few of them don't. I don't know what it is. Maybe it's specific personality traits that will make a small subset of individuals to react to this and some of them even react in edgy ways.
That bothers me. And I am not very edgy. I'll not bother intentionally put anything offensive in my creative works just to trigger. But it bothers me. And I am also keen on outcasts. I like individuals who dare to go against the flow. These factors also led me to join Doomer Boards some time ago btw.

I am not gonna criticise creators and admins who prefer to move with the new culture (wherever that takes us), just throwing my thoughts (and maybe pessimism) here, and why I prefer not to.