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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 21:53:30 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 23:36:54 GMT -5
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Have at it cunts and fellow bannees and gents and cunts.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 5:46:10 GMT -5
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Post by technician on Dec 10, 2017 13:04:18 GMT -5
I was reading that perma-ban thread. I guess Darknation and I are Nazis. Does anyone remember Godwin's Law? Anyway, I love how all the newbies on that forum talk as if they were around the community pre-2016. My God, Ling has successfully changed the demographics of Doomworld, totally. I'll give him props for doing that in less than a year. Oh well, you can't go back. The old guard have either left, been banned or the few that remain have turned "Ultra Progressive," if I may use that term sincerely.
I'm shocked to see AdrewB still posting there but relieved to see he's the same 'ol guy.
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Post by TOS on Dec 10, 2017 13:14:38 GMT -5
Surprised I wasn't mentioned in that thread.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 13:35:28 GMT -5
Yeah, I saw that permaban thread a few days ago. Pretty much what you'd expect at this point.
In my opinion, the worst permaban of all was Brandon D. Lade. That kid didn't have a mean bone in his body. Now he clearly had a penchant for rating wads "properly", cheerleading community projects, and let's face it - he could get a little annoying at times. But a good moderator should be able to deal with stuff like that. People like Brandon need direction, and they typically respond well to people in power positions correcting their behavior. I don't believe that Brandon ever intended to be a troll or a shit-poster, I just think sometimes he had no idea he was going overboard with some of his threads and posts. Rather than make in-jokes and sarcastic responses that went over his head, if the community had shown some kindness(aren't liberals supposed to be tolerant and loving?) they could have reigned in Brandon's eccentricities and kept him around to enjoy his odd and often unintentionally humorous output.
To be honest, I think it's cool to have interesting characters on a forum, even if they get a bit out of hand once in a while. When you get rid of those personalities, you're just left with a bunch of dull, boring carbon copies who all agree on everything and parrot each other's bullshit all day long. What a snoozefest.
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Post by technician on Dec 10, 2017 13:41:36 GMT -5
Their cop thread is embarrassing. I never get liberals, they hate the police but want more federal control over it's citizens.
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Post by GRUG on Dec 10, 2017 14:04:49 GMT -5
I just peaked at that thread.... I'm reminded as to why I don't post on DW anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 15:17:54 GMT -5
My impression is that Brandon has some serious disorder like extreme psychopathy or whatever that pretty much prevents him from communicating with people normally most of the time. He had to upvote a wad just so he could play it as he wouldn't allow himself to download a 3,5 star rated wad. That alone already tells us that he comes from another universe. And it's like he has zero sympathy for anyone. He demands that people help him find secrets in Doom levels and threatens to report them to the administrator when they don't. He asks players for opinions on wads, people give detailed responses, and he never even says a simple "thanks" in return because he's just collecting opinions, not interacting. He tries to command projects so that they would better suit his vision and doesn't listen to requests to stop. I feel like he doesn't care about anyone and just uses the internet to get information from people and to sometimes try to control them because he wants something from them. Honestly, I'm not sure if he can ever change. There seems to be something fundamentally different about the way his brain works. Sure, sometimes he learns new things, but it's not like his understanding of what is decent human behavior improves. It's just survival instinct, like "oh, so demanding that people give me hints will get me banned? guess I shouldn't do it next time then". I agree he can be rather entertaining though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 15:20:48 GMT -5
He’s just an autistic and BDL’s behaviour is a textbook example of it. I don’t know why everyone gets their shit in a twist. Understanding who you are dealing with makes things make sense.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 17:51:44 GMT -5
My impression is that Brandon has some serious disorder like extreme psychopathy or whatever that pretty much prevents him from communicating with people normally most of the time. He had to upvote a wad just so he could play it as he wouldn't allow himself to download a 3,5 star rated wad. That alone already tells us that he comes from another universe. And it's like he has zero sympathy for anyone. He demands that people help him find secrets in Doom levels and threatens to report them to the administrator when they don't. He asks players for opinions on wads, people give detailed responses, and he never even says a simple "thanks" in return because he's just collecting opinions, not interacting. He tries to command projects so that they would better suit his vision and doesn't listen to requests to stop. I feel like he doesn't care about anyone and just uses the internet to get information from people and to sometimes try to control them because he wants something from them. Honestly, I'm not sure if he can ever change. There seems to be something fundamentally different about the way his brain works. Sure, sometimes he learns new things, but it's not like his understanding of what is decent human behavior improves. It's just survival instinct, like "oh, so demanding that people give me hints will get me banned? guess I shouldn't do it next time then". I agree he can be rather entertaining though. I agree Memfis, he clearly has some sort of disorder and is unable to interact with others in a normal socially acceptable way. I will also admit that I don't know the full depth and breadth of his commenting history(I've only viewed the highlights), so I very likely shouldn't be too sure of my own advice until I've seen everything. Regardless, I doubt he'd ever DDOS a server or leak someone's work. At least for now, I see him as relatively harmless, and if having to occasionally correct his behavior is all that the mods have to do, that's not enough in my eyes to permaban him. But of course it's easy to say that from my position, having never had to deal with Brandon's behavior personally except for the occasional email asking how I'd rate my own wads.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 3:05:20 GMT -5
Whew man that police thread is real fucking annoying. I usually don't get pissed by posts on DW but the sheer ignorance just broke my patience. I just posted a gigantic screed that I'm hoping is not too vitriolic, I tried to remain strictly with the facts but you cant help but inject a bit of emotion into these kinds of things.
I hope I don't fall into the ultra-prog category. I do hold a liberal stance on many issues, but all these modern social issues specifically.. The left is just wrong as fuck on so many of them. There are plenty where I agree with the leftist point of view as well though, so I'm in the unfortunate spot of not fitting into some neat category. I was honest in the ban thread - I never had any beef with you in the past and I consider dn an old-guard buddy. The revisionist history in that thread was really, really irking me. So many people - people too new to have even known how things ever were - literally could not remember what you and DN were even banned for so they resorted to simply making shit up. Annoying.
I try to watch myself as much as I possibly can though. There are a lot of people there I'd absolutely hate to lose contact with due to some stupid internet drama shit. Not to mention all the Doomy shit that occurs there - I don't want to miss out on any of that, so I keep myself as in-line as I realistically can. My goal is not to bother people (which is to say, when it happens, it wasn't because I was sitting there actively trying to do it.) Hopefully that's enough for me to continue to be allowed to remain there. It kinda feels like you're grabbed by the balls when you're sorta left, but not super left and a heavily opinionated thread comes up - I'm probably overthinking this shit honestly, but I genuinely sit there worrying if my opinion isn't going to be quite leftist enough and result in me getting in trouble.. The whole walking on eggshells thing. When I see things that are just patently wrong getting so many likes - lies, misinformation and sheer insanity spreading to more and more impressionable youths who are joining the forum... I just can't not speak up. If they're allowed to, surely I must be too, especially if I try and remain somewhat civil and back up my claims with facts and evidence, right?
I know some people from DW check this place out pretty regularly. I genuinely hope I haven't pissed any of them or any of you guys off and everyone can sorta see where I'm coming from here. When threads about like, economic issues and stuff come up it's oddly reliving, I can just blurt my opinions worry-free because I know they're solidly left leaning. Stuff like the cop thread though.. All I can say is I genuinely do not think anything I've said there is wrong and the vitriol is at as light a level as I could possibly bring it to. [/giant fucking rant]
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Post by deathevokation on Dec 11, 2017 3:29:19 GMT -5
haha, so much rewriting history going on in that thread and Reductio ad Hitlerum.. they'll go on about how the term "SJW" doesn't mean anything anymore, yet go on to use buzzwords of their own that have lost their original meaning long ago, too.
While there are a lot of sound arguments that make sense out of context; if you posed the same question to Neogaf you'd get the same eloquent responses about "toxic" people.. but when you bring the context back you'd see a lot of people were banned for responding to certain antagonistic sarcastic and snarky posters (who often were the first ones to jump in with insults and would do so at any opportunity) with the types of responses they'd earned and others who would be trying to fend off a 9 headed hydra slowly chipping away at their patience and sanity until eventually they'd crack.. with a few exceptions like Sigvatr, it was hardly a one way street of one guy just sitting there being toxic and just trollin' for the sole intent of making everyone uncomfortable...
And that idiot that quoted "paradox of tolerance"? Was he even there when even the most basic 2011 era generic conservative talking points (that were really just more cringey and flawed than anything sinister) were jumped on? oh wait he wasn't even part of Doomworld then.. goes on to bitch in another thread about Graf chasing away more talent than he (Graf) himself has and then becomes a retarded cheerleader (who is also particularly active in the irc) for chasing away talent because "muh social justice".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 4:25:46 GMT -5
I just wanted to add a little something:
I could never in good faith call DW a snooze fest. I get so much entertainment from the various goings-on and talking loads with many of the current regulars. I've been asked several times by several people, essentially, "Doomkid, why do you hang out in that shithole despite not even being right-wing at all?" but the thing is I don't feel like it's a shithole, I just really like to see all the opinions out there that I disagree with as well as the ones I agree with. Even the ones that annoy me because they strike me as flat-out false are still worthwhile to read, in my opinion, because they force me to reevaluate my own views and see if they hold up in the face of scrutiny. I like debating politics and religion and stuff and that gets kind of boring when you're only around like-minded people. It's really that simple, for me anyway. Some some to think me existing here as well as DW is some kind of 'traitorous act' but I don't feel like I've wronged anyone by being here and either casually chatting about Doom shit or discussing current political issues and stuff, sometimes at great length. Just a few weeks ago we had the super interesting discussion about whether or not objective morality is a thing, for example. Even though some of us didn't see eye to eye, I really enjoyed the process of being forced to evaluate and scrutinize my views, then present them in post form. What can I say.. It's just fun for me!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 2:22:37 GMT -5
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Post by deathevokation on Dec 12, 2017 6:31:31 GMT -5
damn it 40oz, stop advertising doomerboards there, especially not in a rant about your frustrations.. the atmosphere here is still stabilizing after that last shitfest. the reason I loved this place once upon a time is because it was under the radar and the conversations had shifted to light hearted stuff. this isn't the place for "disgruntled doomers" or outcasts, it's a place for people who don't have a stick in their asses.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 11:11:41 GMT -5
Well said deathevo... 40oz, the Doomworld you “knew” is dead and it’s time to stop grieving for it. Life goes on there and the vegetables grow healthy under the light of the almighty. You’re beginning to sound like a prophet of Doom, shouting the world is ending in the middle of Times Square with a sandwich board.
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Post by GRUG on Dec 12, 2017 11:56:33 GMT -5
I agree with Deathevokation. There is no need to advertise this site on DW.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 16:17:47 GMT -5
Just thinking about Graf for a moment, does he even like Doom? He can’t stand D2 style mapsets or textures and authors a port which transforms Doom into almost a completely different game. Hell if it wasn’t for the fact it runs Doom maps GZDoom could be another FPS engine altogether.
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Post by 40oz on Dec 12, 2017 16:57:20 GMT -5
^ I was wondering the same thing.
I couldn't decide what to do, between making a new "Graf's Opinion about Doom maps" thread so I could ask him to elaborate on it, or to send him a private message. I wouldn't want doomworld members to fuck up the thread, but i also want people to see what he has to say.
Tried asking him on to WXR almost a year ago, but he declined.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 17:03:23 GMT -5
State of the Doom according to Graf Zahl in whatever format would be a hit for sure =) speaking of WXR I don’t know what you’ve got in the pipeline but this time of year is particular ripe for good community discussion. Strike while the iron is hot 40!
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Post by xeepeep on Dec 12, 2017 17:21:17 GMT -5
Just thinking about Graf for a moment, does he even like Doom? He can’t stand D2 style mapsets or textures and authors a port which transforms Doom into almost a completely different game. Hell if it wasn’t for the fact it runs Doom maps GZDoom could be another FPS engine altogether. Developing a source port with an astonishing feature set and pushing a 24-year old game beyond any imaginable limits for 15 years now falls under "likes Doom" IMO
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 17:37:01 GMT -5
Good point but it could just as easily fall under “likes programming.” Now that 40 has brought it up I would like to hear from the man himself, such an important figure in the history of the community and somewhat of a pariah it would be interesting to say the least.
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Post by 40oz on Dec 12, 2017 18:54:50 GMT -5
His reasoning for not being on the show was that he's a non-native english speaker and isn't really fluent enough in English to speak off the cuff. I tried prodding him a little further but he was sure he didnt want to do it.
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Post by deathevokation on Dec 13, 2017 13:41:18 GMT -5
You should interview Enjay.. it'd be lovely to hear things from the perspective of someone who works primarily with Zdoom and has been mapping for as long as he has.. he also seems like quite a down to earth kind of guy judging by his posting.
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