R.I.P Catalonia

Holy shit, people. This is real. In this age of identity politics with bullshit movements and protests about nothing, I sincerely expected to see something underwhelming, but I seriously havent seen such over the top riot police work in decades. This is actually really frightening.

My understanding thus far is Catalonia, the northeastern region of Spain is a very nationalistic region that has called for a vote to secede from the rest of Spain. So people have gathered at polling places to vote on this. The prime minister of Spain declared this vote illegal so police were subcontracted to come shut these polling places down so that the vote cannot take place. People wanted to vote so they stuck around when they were instructed to leave. So the police did what they believed was just and strapped on some helmets, shields, and body armor and started beating the shit out of people to get them to disperse. Seen in the pictures and videos, police clubbed both young teenagers and elderly people, fired plastic bullets into the crowds, and can be seen climbing over fences, chasing, and striking what can be clearly seen as nonviolent nonobnoxious people (even by my standards)

What's particularly frightening is that this isn't like the Charlottesville riots in the U.S. recently. Those people gathered because they were looking for a fight. They brought weapons and came enraged, and tried to demonize the other side when violence happened. The issue is different here in Catalonia because this riot is largely one-sided. The people being struck by the police came to vote, so non-violent women, children, and elderly people got caught up in the crossfire of this state-sanctioned police raid.

Holy shit. I'm typically one who defends the police in their actions, but I can't get behind this.

I spoke to one of my Spanish friends but sadly Steam deleted half the conversation so I didn't get the entire crux of what he saying, but from what I gathered; the vote was illegal (and the only people who stayed when they were told to disperse those that would vote yes), you can't just declare independence (because they don't allow you to keep accepting refugees). The vote would destroy both Spain and Catalonia.. seeing the unhinged leftist organizers behind the vote; they aren't representative of the majority of Spanish speakers in the city, they'd turn it into some ungovernable Antifa land. And from the alt right perspective; the ones in favor of the split are doing it out of nothing but spite for the EU.. because weakening Spain would weaken the EU, the level of selfishness in this kind of thinking is unfathomable.

1) I get what your saying here, whether it's moral or not is something else though if under international law the actual process isn't legal.. people just using their IDs as verification and some have been casting multiple votes, people from Madrid voting, papers being passed around and filled in public squares among other things, most of the population didn't vote because it was declared "illegal" anyway, and a big portion just boycotted.. I honestly don't know why the police even wasted their time hurting people.

2) Does this concept overrule a constitution, though? I'm ignorant on it, tbh. To plagurize The Economist; "Spain’s democratic constitution of 1978, which was approved by more than 90% of Catalan voters, gave wide autonomy to the regions but affirmed “the indissoluble unity of the Spanish nation”."

3) You gave me a hearty laugh here, thanks for that.

4) The far left, the same parties that organize the black blocs in Spain.. if it makes any difference the far right are cheer leading it (but only because of "muh EU"), so it's shitty people from all round. And the movement is also funded by George Soros. There's enough redflags for me and all my Spanish friends to see that this won't end well. I mean, I empathized a lot with Scotland wanting to secede because I looked up the history, but this is a lot more complex(tm) when you look at Spain's history and bloodshed and civil wars.. just looking at my friend's family tree, and this didn't just happen in his family.. you had situations where a brother would walk into the house of his younger brother with a gun and deliver an ultimatum to join his side of a civil war.. only for one person to leave the home alive. Families still refuse to talk to eachother, Spain is a lot more unstable and in a lot more pain than it seems at a glance, and a secession could easily create a ripple effect, so from a "morality" perspective, if you factor in regional stability, civil unrest and economic hardships awaiting the population of not just Catalonia, but the rest of Spain.. I'm still not sure what to think, tbh. Anyway, this desperate crackdown aside, does Spain really treat Catalonia as bad as England treats Scotland?

5) haha, I personally hate the EU with a burning vengeance... I liken them to vampires and parasites that are worse than regular politicians if only for the fact that they are even less accountable but just as retarded.. as much as I dislike them though, I just think the stability of a country shouldn't be collateral damage to deal a "blow" toward them that they'll easily recover from.

Yeah, I'm not really the biggest expert either tbh, most of what I know was picked up from conversations with my friends over the course of a few years.. every now and then we bitch about shit going on in our countries.

It's probably better the rest of the world sits on the sidelines and lets the country handle it's own internal affairs.. I remember the last time they reported on police violence in South Africa it was missing a lot of important context as well.

www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/61138-gunfire-erupts-at-s-african-mine-strike/#comment-1100082

haahah yes, about an hour ago the Catalonian government declared Independence.

Spain now has two choices: accept that they have lost the colony or go Full Metal Franco and burn the fucking place to the ground.

Yes, history is full of countries and nations fracturing. This is generally accompanied by war and bloodshed. But history is also full of countries invading other countries and taking their land and shit; this is called Empire, and it is generally accompanied by war and bloodshed.

One begets the other.

edit: Drama? Really? I can't wait for your term paper on the American Dramas of Independence.

I sense military intervention.  Spain is not going to give up their richest economic region without a fight. I don't support Catalonia's decision, but then again Spanish politics isn't any of my business.  

Wait until Messi gets Catalonian citizenship, he could win that World Cup he’s always wanted.... why is Xavi listed twice? Bring Puyol back from retirement, Bojan is also Catalan, Pep could coach and there we have a Catalonia team stronger than most of the euro teams... Spain would still beat them in a real game.