fud
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Post by fud on Aug 21, 2024 5:55:13 GMT -5
I thought this was an interesting take on what's happening with the new Doom re-re-release.
I suppose I find it interesting because I pretty much agree with it all. Nothing like a bit of confirmation bias, eh?
The video talks in general terms about a lot of industry shit that everyone should already know but it does highlight the concerns I have regarding Bethesda/Microsoft/Id.
Just thought I'd share as I haven't seen anyone else link it.
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Post by 40oz on Aug 21, 2024 7:30:01 GMT -5
I watched this on monday and I was inclined to agree based on the fact that it's criticizing Bethesda, but the reasoning was mostly tied to the low security / unmoderated measures they're taking to run the mod upload system, and pretty much nothing else.
The meat of this criticism is the amount of negligence and lack of oversight Bethesda has to prevent incompatible, broken, malicious, and copyright infringing material from being uploaded on their platform, which to me, seems like Jim is playing both sides of the argument.
The mod upload feature is ultimately, a pretty cool thing. I suspect members of nightdive would have fought pretty hard to advocate for it if there was pushback, considering being able to play custom wads is the main attraction of playing Doom today.
When Jim is criticizing mods for housing copyrighted content, it sounds to me like they are criticizing the mod developers, who initially created this stuff (sometimes 20+ years ago) to give away to the community for free, not for profit. Because they are just one person making a niche mod that requires a copy of Doom 2 and usually a lot of manual set-up to install, they didn't have the owners' eyes of that copyrighted content on them. And many of them likely did not anticipate that anyone would still be playing Doom today.
I don't think this nearly addresses the real problem, and if this video gets traction, players will likely lose the mod upload/download system, but modders and source port developers won't be free of the advancement of the id24 map format and whatever its future entails.
I appreciate that a youtuber with a large following is using their account to criticize Bethesda but I don't think this paints the full picture. I was pretty sure this mod upload system was just a kindness to soften the blow of this new id24 thing, but if this goes on, we won't even get that.
sidenote, I've never watched this person before but the amount of 'jokes' they inserted into this video was exhausting and pretty much all of them fell flat for me.
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Post by thundercunt on Aug 21, 2024 9:25:17 GMT -5
This might be the worst video thumbnail I've ever seen
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SilverMiner
You're trying to say you like DOS better than me, right?
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Post by SilverMiner on Aug 21, 2024 12:49:08 GMT -5
Guys like that always want to put everyone in pens and tighten the screws. They don't see the real problems, but oh my god mod uploading is way too loose. And of course malicious wads, oh yeah. Uh huh. For a source port that сrashes with any sneeze and doesn't have a scripting system. Mentally ill paranoid person is afraid of non existent for this source port terry wads
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SilverMiner
You're trying to say you like DOS better than me, right?
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Post by SilverMiner on Aug 21, 2024 13:13:33 GMT -5
but mostly copyrite violations. The more they say that word, the tighter the screws are gonna get
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2024 15:32:39 GMT -5
My final take on the subject is that the KEX port / community uploads are pretty much a manna from the sky if you're a console player, and 100% useless on PC, as DSDA is better in every single way. Morality and legality are moot, as Doom mapping entirely thrives on an ocean-sized legal gray area.
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Post by lunchlunch on Aug 21, 2024 16:54:31 GMT -5
Simping for copyright holders is without a doubt the most cucked argument to have emerged from this whole thing.
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Post by camper on Aug 22, 2024 6:08:57 GMT -5
Morality and legality are moot, as Doom mapping entirely thrives on an ocean-sized legal gray area. What if we immediately declare that the mapping is for Freed(infinity)m?
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fud
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Post by fud on Aug 22, 2024 6:31:27 GMT -5
Interesting takes. That's not what I took from it at all. My take was that they were arguing for creator recognition and against corporate indifference regarding copyrighted material as long as it was boosting sales of the new port. For clarity, I'm against copyright in general. I don't like it and I think the laws are more about ego, power and corporate interests than any good-faith protections. I, too, wish they'd said more about ID24 and the like though I thought it wise that they chose not to discuss something they obviously didn't know much about and, instead, made points they did. All in all, I think it's good that someone with a large base was willing to be critical of the Bethesda/Microsoft/Id blob in regards to how they've handled (or not) this re-re-release. The only other video I've seen on YT being critical beyond the usual 'Mod loader could use some work' stuff was from one small Youtuber with fewer than 300 subscribers. PS: I get that the humour isn't for everyone. It's not really my humour either but I've watched the Jimquisition for years so it doesn't bother me too much. I still think they make worthy content beneath the silly veneer.
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