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Post by qwaz on Aug 6, 2024 20:07:02 GMT -5
I wasn't quoting you, rather making an assumption of your beliefs, but I'd be shocked if this is not what you believed. Thank you. That explains a lot. Try reading what is being said and respond to that. Additionally, why has the LGBT/etc community so willingly and completely embraced the first two steps towards their own genocide that you've linked, "Classification" and "Symbolization"? There's a fundamental misunderstanding here -- groups can identify themselves under a common symbol. That's normal. This is not an opening for oppressors to proceed on the following 6 stages. It should be obvious that nazi germany flew swastika flags but they were not being in stages of genocide by doing this. The classification and symbolization such as the pride flags were not created by the people oppressing them. In the last sentece, stage 2 explicitly states that symbolization doesn't mean genocide if its not accompanied by dehumanization, which it is. The denial of proper healthcare for gender-nonconforming people is a form of dehumanization (See deathevokation's post suggesting that having any request for gender-affirming care makes you too insane to receive it.) Transgender people aren't oppressed. No one is genociding them. They're supported by state and corporate power. They aren't at risk of losing any rights. They aren't marginalized. Disagreement isn't treason. Nor is it oppression. Nor is it bigotry. The existence of people who disagree with their beliefs on gender is not oppression. People who do not share their beliefs on gender should be compelled to recite them (preferred pronouns) or face consequences by either the state or any other system of power. That's what oppression is. The mutilation of a child's genitals is not "care". It's improper health care (See the UK) It's a religious and ideological scarification ritual. |
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Post by 40oz on Aug 6, 2024 22:33:44 GMT -5
qwaz the scary rhetorical language doesnt work on me. If you dont want to transition, then you simply dont go to the doctor to tell them you want to transition. That's your disagreement. Its not yours or anyone elses place to deny someone the healthcare they want or need just because you yourself wouldnt use it for you or your children. Youre not being forced into anything. But advocating to have that kind of healthcare banned is a form of force that wouldnt personally effect you if it was banned or not.
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Post by qwaz on Aug 7, 2024 0:14:55 GMT -5
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Aug 7, 2024 1:08:40 GMT -5
Its not yours or anyone elses place to deny someone the healthcare they want or need just because you yourself wouldnt use it for you or your children. I thought we lived in a democracy though? Joking aside qwaz there isn't much point debating this with 40. Most people that will post on the topic here know that reassignment surgery isn't healthcare and that the transitioning of children is exploitation for both politics and profit. 40 is the one exception. It's a discussion that doesn't go anywhere so there's no real need to dredge it up as it's been debated ad nauseam in the past without ever going anywhere. |
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Post by RastaManGames on Aug 7, 2024 2:51:48 GMT -5
Personally, I can't see thing like "transitioning" to be in one line with stuff like healthcare.
Healthcare (as for me) is when you have a ripped leg and doctors is trying to sew it back to your body.
Or when you are coughing your lungs out (with lots of blood) and doctors is just trying to not get you die.
And even stuff like radiotherapy and chemotherapy when you are (unluckily) got sarcoma or cancer.
But wanting to have a women's breasts or women's vagina while being a biological male with XY chromosomes - this isn't a healthcare yet a craving of the one twisted mind.
I am really sick that elites of the "progressive" countries is supporting mentally ill people in the bad way.
If everyone says that male is female just because he wanting to be one - I am not gonna support that bullshit.
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Post by 40oz on Aug 7, 2024 5:42:05 GMT -5
"its scary and i dont understand it" is not a valid argument for why something should be banned even if you dont personally use it.
You guys are not doctors so no one is flocking to you to make sure you understand it. Youre never going to have to perform surgery, youre never going to have your hand forced in anyway to sign off on something you dont want for yourself.
Trying to scare me into believing this is the end of civilization doesn't work on me. Theres an enormous wealth of reasons in which politics and exploitation directly intervene with the infrastructure and your quality of life. But youre choosing this to point to.
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Aug 7, 2024 6:24:51 GMT -5
But youre choosing this to point to. Because it involves child mutilation and it could just be me but I think that's probably a big fucking deal to a lot of people. |
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Post by 40oz on Aug 7, 2024 7:24:26 GMT -5
A child can get exploded into ground beef by a school bus if they chase after their basketball when bounces into the street, but we still use buses to transport them to school. It's not as unsafe as you want to make it sound.
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Post by lutumlautus on Aug 7, 2024 8:12:07 GMT -5
You're a fucking lunatic. No wonder you want Doomworld back so badly. Commit yourself to the psych ward. You're comparing a traffic accident to a monstrous, planned undertaking of ruining the lifes of children.
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Post by 40oz on Aug 7, 2024 8:58:50 GMT -5
I don't give a shit about doomworld. I don't talk to anyone there unless they also have an account and post here. Then I respond to their posts. You guys sound like morons every time you conflate trans people with doomworld. Gender transitions have been around long before Doom has.
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Post by RastaManGames on Aug 7, 2024 9:01:33 GMT -5
Children is the future citizens of the country.
I just don't want that woketarded'n'bigoted LGBT agenda to shit in their minds.
It is sad that pharmacological copro-RATs are in such huge profit because of the mentally ill individuals.
And also sad that government of the Europe and US are also tied up in this scheme.
Think whatever you want about Russia, but I, personally, really glad that we have that "progressive'n'inclusive" shit banned here.
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Post by 40oz on Aug 7, 2024 9:13:56 GMT -5
I just don't want that woketarded'n'bigoted LGBT agenda to shit in their minds. This is the same point everyone makes. It doesn't really matter to me if you dislike the so-called agenda. Banning gender-affirming healthcare does not address this. If it's illegal and people need it, then they have to find an illegal practice to provide it to them. So that's what they will do. This of course will likely be poorly funded, and won't be bound to the regulations that an established medical practice would need to abide by, so this would be far more dangerous. This is the same principle with guns, drugs, abortions, etc. The government telling you "No" under penalty of law doesn't stop people from wanting or needing it. It just subjects these people to judicial action if they get caught. The reasoning limited to a bunch of doomer boards nerds saying "it's too annoying" |
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Post by RastaManGames on Aug 7, 2024 9:19:33 GMT -5
This is the same point everyone makes. It doesn't really matter to me if you dislike the so-called agenda. Banning gender-affirming healthcare does not address this. If it's illegal and people need it, then they have to find an illegal practice to provide it to them. So that's what they will do. Give them a good psychiatrist and they gonna be good. If human not living in peace with their own body - this is an mental disease, for sure. But instead of helping them, elites are feeding them an expensive pills and mauling their private parts, "transforming" them to the ugly mess that gonna cause them pain for the rest of their lives. Not to mention that most of these poor people are ending themselves quickly after realization that they never gonna trick the mother Nature. They gonna look like a man/woman, but they never gonna be magically transformed into real one. |
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Post by dr_st on Aug 7, 2024 9:20:28 GMT -5
Banning gender-affirming healthcare does not address this. If it's illegal and people need it, then they have to find an illegal practice to provide it to them. So that's what they will do. This of course will likely be poorly funded, and won't be bound to the regulations that an established medical practice would need to abide by, so this would be far more dangerous. This is the same principle with guns, drugs, abortions, etc. The government telling you "No" under penalty of law doesn't stop people from wanting or needing it. Equating "gender-affirming healthcare" with abortions is only true if you extend "abortions" to mean offering abortion-class procedures to women who are not even pregnant (or to men). |
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Aug 7, 2024 9:40:28 GMT -5
Gender transitions have been around long before Doom has. Not medical intervention. Hormone therapy only started in the 70s. Surgery is much newer and essentially experimental outside of mastectomies. Ultimately it's shoddy plastic surgery that is far more invasive, life altering and in many causes traumatizing. If you're not aware of all the leaked documents from wpath (the leading global authority in gender medicine) you may want to actually look into it to see why people are so opposed to this stuff. Michael Shellenberger and Environmental Progress worked on compiling and going through it all, not right wing nut jobs. Link here. If you were aware of what I and many others are you'd want to slam on the brakes at least in regards to children. The woke shit doesn't even need to come into the discussion as far as I'm concerned. It's a simple question of ethics. The Hippocratic oath I swore to follow guides me on this, not politics. |
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Post by nnn✓ork on Aug 7, 2024 9:48:49 GMT -5
40oz , please stop. You are the idiot here.
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Post by ketmar on Aug 7, 2024 11:17:19 GMT -5
i finally found the solution. we simply need to transform everybody to kawaii futanari. 'cmon, everybody loves futanari porn, so nobody will object!
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Post by mayhemicdestrvctor on Aug 7, 2024 11:26:45 GMT -5
i finally found the solution. we simply need to transform everybody to kawaii futanari. 'cmon, everybody loves futanari porn, so nobody will object! hes completely right , we should do that right now. |
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Post by qwaz on Aug 7, 2024 11:33:59 GMT -5
You cannot change back and forth from man to woman by partaking in a scarification ritual, actually. |
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Post by 40oz on Aug 7, 2024 15:09:56 GMT -5
Give them a good psychiatrist and they gonna be good. If human not living in peace with their own body - this is an mental disease, for sure. But instead of helping them, elites are feeding them an expensive pills and mauling their private parts, "transforming" them to the ugly mess that gonna cause them pain for the rest of their lives. You're not a medical professional. Not to mention that most of these poor people are ending themselves quickly after realization that they never gonna trick the mother Nature. They gonna look like a man/woman, but they never gonna be magically transformed into real one. If true, then your problem would solve itself, wouldn't it? Equating "gender-affirming healthcare" with abortions is only true if you extend "abortions" to mean offering abortion-class procedures to women who are not even pregnant (or to men). What difference does it make to offer it if you don't take it? By requesting it be banned, you're denying people from access to something you would never agree to anyway, so it wouldn't affect you either way. The only person it's harming is the person who needs it. There's a wealth of things in the world you wouldn't do, but they don't need to be banned to solidify your decision to not do it. 40oz , please stop. You are the idiot here. You guys are quoting and tagging me. You back off. I don't want to answer all your stupid questions about this but you always prod me for responses. Not medical intervention. Hormone therapy only started in the 70s. Surgery is much newer and essentially experimental outside of mastectomies. Ultimately it's shoddy plastic surgery that is far more invasive, life altering and in many causes traumatizing. If you're not aware of all the leaked documents from wpath (the leading global authority in gender medicine) you may want to actually look into it to see why people are so opposed to this stuff. Michael Shellenberger and Environmental Progress worked on compiling and going through it all, not right wing nut jobs. Link here. If you were aware of what I and many others are you'd want to slam on the brakes at least in regards to children. The woke shit doesn't even need to come into the discussion as far as I'm concerned. It's a simple question of ethics. The Hippocratic oath I swore to follow guides me on this, not politics. I'll read into it later. |
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Post by nnn✓ork on Aug 7, 2024 15:41:33 GMT -5
You guys are quoting and tagging me. You back off. I don't want to answer all your stupid questions about this but you always prod me for responses. Then don't. I haven't read half of the shit here. I only just logged in to post this. |
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Post by noisomedead on Aug 7, 2024 17:45:57 GMT -5
Give them a good psychiatrist and they gonna be good. If human not living in peace with their own body - this is an mental disease, for sure. But instead of helping them, elites are feeding them an expensive pills and mauling their private parts, "transforming" them to the ugly mess that gonna cause them pain for the rest of their lives. You're not a medical professional.
even still, it is subject of debate among actual medical professionals about the safety and effectiveness of these treatments at all. see here
key points
regardless of what you think about this gender stuff, why gamble on those odds?
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Post by Gokuma on Aug 7, 2024 17:49:00 GMT -5
They will unban me only on October 11. That's just in time to celebrate this! |
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Post by 40oz on Aug 7, 2024 17:54:14 GMT -5
Then don't. I haven't read half of the shit here. I only just logged in to post this. Thats your problem. Make a topic about the shit you want to talk about instead of logging into just to tell me about the shit you DONT. |
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Post by nnn✓ork on Aug 7, 2024 17:59:50 GMT -5
40oz, stop burying yourself deeper. I logged on spontaneously and saw you quoting me. I responded as such and moved on. Again, just stop. But... you are the one who pathologically can't stop. Just the nature of the beast, I guess.
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