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Post by Kontra on Jul 26, 2024 5:54:01 GMT -5
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Post by Kontra on Jul 26, 2024 6:01:18 GMT -5
Millennials now less gay.
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Post by Kontra on Jul 26, 2024 6:10:51 GMT -5
I think the jump from 15.9% to 22.3% is probably the inclusion of younger Zoomers, compared to older ones. Likewise with Gen Y going from 5.8% to 9.8%.
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Post by Kontra on Jul 26, 2024 6:17:34 GMT -5
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Post by Kontra on Jul 26, 2024 6:27:11 GMT -5
FYI, I don't care if you are gay or not. This is just a statement of fact.
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Post by dr_st on Jul 27, 2024 2:40:52 GMT -5
People's sexuality is a spectrum. Especially among young people it tends to be more fluid.
Back in the day, society and culture strongly encouraged people who had some non-straight tendencies to hide these and conform. Then things became more open. Nowadays it is the other way around - "woke" culture actively encourages anyone who feels anything even slightly deviating from "straight/cis" to "embrace, emphasize and celebrate" these, openly label themselves, and be as non-conforming as possible.
That's the main contributor to the generational differences, I think.
It looks like this trend is not good for society, because in the long run it ends up with a bunch of confused and unhappy people who put too much focus on their "different and unique" sexuality, and too little on other aspects of life.
I think it was best a while back, perhaps during the millennial timeline, and now it went too far. It looks like it's already swinging back some in some places. Hopefully it doesn't swing back too far either.
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Jul 27, 2024 4:44:12 GMT -5
Back in the day, society and culture strongly encouraged people who had some non-straight tendencies to hide these and conform. Then things became more open. Nowadays it is the other way around - "woke" culture actively encourages anyone who feels anything even slightly deviating from "straight/cis" to "embrace, emphasize and celebrate" these, openly label themselves, and be as non-conforming as possible. I agree that there is a strong cultural element. The celebration of victimhood that was fairly predominant for quite a while and that some still cling to is something I can't be convinced didn't have a significant impact. I think there is another side to it as well relating to our physical environment and health. Things like micro plastics being endocrine disruptors, artificial estrogen from birth control not breaking down in the human body or through water treatment along with elements of other drugs, the god awful food people eat, etc etc. The correlation of this being an issue championed by the left who predominately reside in dense toxic environments is possibly more than mere coincidence. |
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Post by thelokk on Jul 27, 2024 6:21:33 GMT -5
Well, didn't take long for this to veer into tinfoil hat pseudo-science.
I propose an alternative: there is no actual increase, people are simply no longer as afraid to be honest about stating who they really are.
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Jul 27, 2024 7:52:32 GMT -5
I don't believe speculating that environmental factors may have a substantial impact on human behavior at scale is any real stretch. Particularly when things that are entirely ubiquitous with our life long environment are known to interfere with something as delicate as our endocrine system. Thinking that something which has been shown to have epigenetic and hormonal impacts may be an influencing factor for behavioral trends seems pretty straightforward to me.
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Post by dr_st on Jul 27, 2024 8:03:23 GMT -5
I don't believe speculating that environmental factors may have a substantial impact on human behavior at scale is any real stretch. Particularly when things that are entirely ubiquitous with our life long environment are known to interfere with something as delicate as our endocrine system. Thinking that something which has been shown to have epigenetic and hormonal impacts may be an influencing factor for behavioral trends seems pretty straightforward to me. Then you would see the same trends everywhere, as opposed to being limited to countries with strong penetration of "wokeness". Should be a relatively easy hypothesis to test. |
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Post by StodgyAyatollah on Jul 27, 2024 8:37:51 GMT -5
Should be a relatively easy hypothesis to test. Getting accurate data particularly out of places like China and Russia makes that pretty much impossible. Also finding accurate data to infer different levels of exposure would take a huge amount of work. With that out there though if you look up homosexuality per capita by nation they don't really align directly with the "woke" paradigm. It's a little more scatter shot, which is why I'm of the opinion that environmental factors may be a possible influence, considering the nature of what I had already posted. EDIT: On a cursory look there does appear to possibly be some correlation in regards to plastic waste ocean migration/buildup and gay population. Data for places like Africa, India and China is of course harder to find, making it very hard to say more at this time though. |
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Post by qwaz on Jul 27, 2024 9:29:22 GMT -5
Well, didn't take long for this to veer into tinfoil hat pseudo-science. I propose an alternative: there is no actual increase, people are simply no longer as afraid to be honest about stating who they really are. Nah, it's a social club and nothing more. |
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Post by thelokk on Jul 27, 2024 10:09:21 GMT -5
Well, didn't take long for this to veer into tinfoil hat pseudo-science. I propose an alternative: there is no actual increase, people are simply no longer as afraid to be honest about stating who they really are. Nah, it's a social club and nothing more. Dunno, my lived experience as a card carrying member of this supposed "social club" tells me you're somewhere between over-simplifying and flat wrong, but you seem awfully sure of your position. |
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Post by qwaz on Jul 27, 2024 11:02:24 GMT -5
The over-simplification is probably accurate because LGBTQism and Pride are actually more full blown religions now as opposed to a club.
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Post by 40oz on Jul 27, 2024 11:52:18 GMT -5
Well, didn't take long for this to veer into tinfoil hat pseudo-science. I propose an alternative: there is no actual increase, people are simply no longer as afraid to be honest about stating who they really are. Bingo. |
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Post by joe-ilya on Jul 27, 2024 11:55:42 GMT -5
there does appear to possibly be some correlation in regards to plastic waste ocean migration/buildup and gay population. They're putting chemicals in the water that turn the frogs gay? |
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Post by 40oz on Jul 27, 2024 12:19:26 GMT -5
You might also want to consider where this data is coming from. This isn't just everyone in the general population. Were any of you asked to participate in a survey where you disclose whether you're gay or not recently? Think about how often you spend any time in your life filling out surveys. Let alone, when you were a teenager.
For four years i worked at a company that specialized in building surveys for market research. All of them hired people to do it because it is nearly impossible to get anyone to take a survey without an incentive. Even if its no more than five questions. You have to pay people to do this kind of stuff. If you went to your nearest high school and grabbed 100 students and asked them if they took this survey, I would bet all 100 would say no.
(For the record, I would not advise anyone here to go anywhere near a school)
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Post by Kontra on Jul 27, 2024 12:24:54 GMT -5
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Post by Kontra on Jul 27, 2024 12:26:30 GMT -5
You might also want to consider where this data is coming from. This isn't just everyone in the general population. Were any of you asked to participate in a survey where you disclose whether you're gay or not recently? Think about how often you spend any time in your life filling out surveys. Let alone, when you were a teenager. For four years i worked at a company that specialized in building surveys for market research. All of them hired people to do it because it is nearly impossible to get anyone to take a survey without an incentive. Even if its no more than five questions. You have to pay people to do this kind of stuff. If you went to your nearest high school and grabbed 100 students and asked them if they took this survey, I would bet all 100 would say no. (For the record, I would not advise anyone here to go anywhere near a school) Source, LGBT identification in the U.S. 2012-2023, by generation Published by Statista Research Department, Jul 5, 2024 In 2023, 9.8 percent of Millennials in the United States stated that they identify as LGBT, while in 2012, less than six percent of respondents from the same generation said the same. Members of Generation Z were the most likely to identify as LGBT, at over 20 percent. I have also just posted sources with consistent results. |
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Post by Kontra on Jul 27, 2024 12:28:53 GMT -5
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Post by thelokk on Jul 27, 2024 12:37:00 GMT -5
Again, the sources do look reputable and certainly I would not dispute them *per se*. What I'm pointing out is that there is no direct correlation between an increase of self-id'ing as LGBTQ+, and a variety of skizo mk-ultra theories brought up in this very thread.
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Post by Kontra on Jul 27, 2024 12:46:47 GMT -5
Again, the sources do look reputable and certainly I would not dispute them *per se*. What I'm pointing out is that there is no direct correlation between an increase of self-id'ing as LGBTQ+, and a variety of skizo mk-ultra theories brought up in this very thread. Maybe we cross posted, but I was referring to 40's post. At any rate, I think it does have to do with social norms changing, as well as the difference in the racial and cultural composition of Gen Z. Which within and of itself, we know non-Hispanic Whites tend to be more Democrat voting on average. Thus more willing to make the identification. |
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Post by Kontra on Jul 27, 2024 13:18:18 GMT -5
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Post by nnn✓ork on Jul 27, 2024 13:40:31 GMT -5
Again, the sources do look reputable and certainly I would not dispute them *per se*. What I'm pointing out is that there is no direct correlation between an increase of self-id'ing as LGBTQ+, and a variety of skizo mk-ultra theories brought up in this very thread. You will never be a real sociologist. Damn, you americans have some cracked school system; In my country it's just bribes they get jailed for. I don't know if it's so much molestation, per se (First Degree Pederasty), but there's a lot of Second Degree Pederasty in schools: Gender-bend fetishists and political ideologues who are turned on by convincing young teens that they're actually something called "transgendered"; or teaching them nu-gender ideology as if the term 'gender' wasn't just the synonym for biological sex before 2013, and gerrymandering what in society was delineated by such; or encouraging kids to "explore their gender" and send them off into the aforementioned post-2013 gender-clusterfucked ecosystem, all while their young budding puberty minds are trying to make sense things ***; And why not call the FBI on the parents if they raise questions while we're at it, etc, among many other things. Source: Dude with psycho-somatic woman envy who has to at least state the record (I mean, we all have bit of were-milf in us, don't we?)Gokuma - hey, do you have a copy of OnirA's "sex dungeon map"? From pics that I saw, it looked like something you could chalk up to a very bad "spur of the moment art decision", instead of necessarily pedophilia (who knows). I'd be more concerned that he's a Hasan Piker subscriber on Twitch (oh, maybe he is a pedo). Just make sure you're aiming your pee-do assertions accurately - don't spray too much on the toilet seat. ***Sociologists never studied their differential transgender equations. Smh... |
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Post by thelokk on Jul 27, 2024 14:09:02 GMT -5
You will never be a real sociologist. Mum told me to go sociology for my PhD, had to settle for an anthropologist instead. Shameful disrprey. |
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