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Post by VICE on Jul 11, 2024 2:22:30 GMT -5
I'm pretty disgusted by the thought of me being in a romantic relationship and I don't feel sexual attraction towards anyone I know in real life. Though I do masturbate to porn. Protip: The former can be a result of the latter.
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Post by good-old on Jul 11, 2024 5:17:21 GMT -5
I'm pretty disgusted by the thought of me being in a romantic relationship and I don't feel sexual attraction towards anyone I know in real life. Though I do masturbate to porn. Protip: The former can be a result of the latter. Where and how do I even start replying to this...
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Post by VICE on Jul 11, 2024 6:40:21 GMT -5
Protip: The former can be a result of the latter. Where and how do I even start replying to this... If you care about the subject, you can start by learning how habit loops are formed, learn what neurochemicals are released when you engage in that activity, what they do and how these affect your sex drive and behaviour, and even your physical characteristics. I know I'm not going to teach all that on a random-ass forum thread... But if you want a quick summary: On a functional level, you are telling your body where it should be seeking to utilize your sex drive (currently set to masturbating in front of a screen) and so that's what it does and anything more complex or difficult is not even considered with enough weight to reach concious thresholds. Why would you persue sex when you're used to placating that urge artificially at your own convinience and discretion with supra-natural stimuli? Abstain from doing that for a while and see what happens for yourself. 21 days is enough to break a habit. You'll be a perpetually horny MF guaranteed, and you'll not only be seeking sex, your body will be signaling it effortlessly and some women will be reciprocating to that. Or you can stick to what you think you know. Got anything meaningful to lose?
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Post by SilverMiner on Jul 11, 2024 7:22:55 GMT -5
Where and how do I even start replying to this... 21 days is enough to break a habit. You'll be a perpetually horny MF guaranteed, and you'll not only be seeking sex, your body will be signaling it effortlessly and some women will be reciprocating to that. Or you can stick to what you think you know. Got anything meaningful to lose? Sounds interesting
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Post by good-old on Jul 11, 2024 8:01:01 GMT -5
VICE Goddamn. Don't I just fucking love people like you. 1. I don't know how to convince you this is true, but I am not addicted to porn. I don't do NNN, but I once went 2.5 months without masturbation even though I had the ability to do it, just had a dry spell. I can resist the urge to masturbate. Sometimes I deliberately resist it for half a week because the longer the gap between sessions, the better they feel. I never masturbate on vacations unless it's an absolute disaster. Whenever I masturbate, I do it because it's a planned activity and not because it's interrupting something else. If I'm planning to listen to an album or play a game or do some hoarding, that's exactly what I do. Porn never gets in my way of anything. 2. Whether I like it or not, I am a human male with testicles, therefore I need to relieve myself sexually some day or the other. In the 2.5 month dry spell I mentioned, I had several wet dreams and I do not enjoy them. There are two ways I can look at my testicles; An asset that is a source of fun from time to time, or just a shitty organ that gives me disgusting sexual urges from time to time like getting horny at every single woman I see in real life because I'm sexually deprived. Obviously, the former is a better choice. Abstaining from masturbation doesn't seem to have long terms effects that make it worth it. 3. I don't think porn usage has any effect on desiring a romantic relationship. I know a lot of people who masturbate more than I do and still complain about their loneliness. They're everywhere dude. Porn would be some kind of panacea if it did remove that desire from them. There would be far less lonely males. 4. I love how you're saying this like being straight is some kind of duty and that everyone should desire a romantic relationship. No thanks. Especially with how the dating market works and people are "rated" with SMVs. I refuse to be commodified like that. Other than that, not desiring a romantic relationship is saving me from metric tonnes of burdens. Obviously you do get non-sexual things from a romantic relationship too, but I already have them all covered. Are you so "well-developed" that the concept of self-love is foreign to you? What about the concept of not relying on a romantic partner for happiness? So much that not needing one is a defect according to you? Got anything meaningful to lose? Says the person who can't fathom living a happy life alone.
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Post by 40oz on Jul 11, 2024 8:05:16 GMT -5
VICE Please only offer advice if it is requested.
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Post by good-old on Jul 11, 2024 8:15:59 GMT -5
VICE Please only offer advice if it is requested. I wouldn't even mind it that much if he didn't assume I had a porn addiction.
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Post by VICE on Jul 11, 2024 8:56:38 GMT -5
Got anything meaningful to lose? Says the person who can't fathom living a happy life alone. You can technically live a happy life alone. But you can't make that case that it wouldn't be better if you weren't alone. In fact, ideally, if you feel happy on your own, that's how you know you're ready for connection. And life is plain better when you realize your masculine potential. Re: points 1,2 I get that you may be an outlier in that sense. I have no idea how you ended up thinking a part of you is disgusting, but I wish you best of luck in accepting your own masculinity. What I said is true and if you look into anatomy, neurology and psychology even on a surface level, you'll be able to see what I meant. Why does it not work for you? I don't want to make more assumptions, I don't know you and frankly don't need to. You do you, I was offering a different way to look at this subject because I've seen people in a similar state and was nearly there myself when I was in my late teens, and I know this phenomenon only gets worse as tech improves. Re 3, I didn't say it removed the desire, I said it's a temporary, habit-forming solution that makes the problem worse long term. The example you brought up supports what I said. Re 4, I've been meditating regularly for over a decade, self love is not foreign to me, and as I mentioned, I think it's the foundation for any other love. Meanwhile, you are the dude who says he thinks his balls are gross and treats his masculinity as a burden and a chore. Do you know what a projection is? I said my piece of unprompted boomer advice. You do whatever you want, it's your life to FAFO. Edit: For posterity, I didn't say you have an addiction, btw, I left you the benefit of the doubt about that. I meant that engaging in that behaviour re-inforces the likelihood that you'll continue internalizing that attitude and doing that rather than finding a mate. It will also make real women seem less attractive to you the more you do it.
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Post by good-old on Jul 11, 2024 10:25:08 GMT -5
Says the person who can't fathom living a happy life alone. You can technically live a happy life alone. But you can't make that case that it wouldn't be better if you weren't alone. In fact, ideally, if you feel happy on your own, that's how you know you're ready for connection. And life is plain better when you realize your masculine potential. Re: points 1,2 I get that you may be an outlier in that sense. I have no idea how you ended up thinking a part of you is disgusting, but I wish you best of luck in accepting your own masculinity. What I said is true and if you look into anatomy, neurology and psychology even on a surface level, you'll be able to see what I meant. Why does it not work for you? I don't want to make more assumptions, I don't know you and frankly don't need to. You do you, I was offering a different way to look at this subject because I've seen people in a similar state and was nearly there myself when I was in my late teens, and I know this phenomenon only gets worse as tech improves. Re 3, I didn't say it removed the desire, I said it's a temporary, habit-forming solution that makes the problem worse long term. The example you brought up supports what I said. Re 4, I've been meditating regularly for over a decade, self love is not foreign to me, and as I mentioned, I think it's the foundation for any other love. Meanwhile, you are the dude who says he thinks his balls are gross and treats his masculinity as a burden and a chore. Do you know what a projection is? I said my piece of unprompted boomer advice. You do whatever you want, it's your life to FAFO. Why the fuck would it be impossible to live a better life alone? Yet another instance of you being unable to comprehend self-love. The more you love yourself, the less you need connection to others. Sounds like basic math to me. I have no idea how you deduced that loving yourself is the perfect foundation for loving others when it drastically reduces the need for it. You truly do sound like a boomer being unable to understand problems that this generation faces. Most lonely zoomers are absolutely tired of hearing shit about needing to love yourself instead of finding a romantic partner. I remember reading your opinion about mental health in that antidepressant thread, and I should have expected a post like this from you. "Life is plain better if you realise your masculine potential" Did you take this from some Scroll Of Truth or something? Oh and apparently porn usage guarantees addictions according to you, judging by the fact that you call me an outlier. Though yeah I forgot to put something into my post, I don't consider my balls a liability, that's exactly why I masturbate and get some fun out of it. I thought this was obvious. I never said you are wrong about anything you said about neuroscience... However I fail to see what's wrong with it. You originally said that my lack of desire for romantic relationships may be from the fact that I masturbate. I countered this by saying that most people who masturbate to porn still desire a romantic relationship. How does that support your point? You talk about being good at self-love, but from whatever you said about being alone in those last two posts, it's evident that you have a surface-level understanding of it, at best. At least you know how your advice is viewed by everyone...
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Post by good-old on Jul 11, 2024 10:39:08 GMT -5
Says the person who can't fathom living a happy life alone. Edit: For posterity, I didn't say you have an addiction, btw, I left you the benefit of the doubt about that. I meant that engaging in that behaviour re-inforces the likelihood that you'll continue internalizing that attitude and doing that rather than finding a mate. It will also make real women seem less attractive to you the more you do it. So what, even just the fact that you consider my lack of interest in romantic relationships a flaw is already bad enough. Peak boomer energy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2024 10:50:12 GMT -5
Got anything meaningful to lose? Says the person who can't fathom living a happy life alone. Could be my absolutely unprecedented mental deficiency, or there is really no sense to find between the two. As life is full of surprises, I'd place a safe bet on the former. What is so 'meaningful' that was implied only to be so abruptly backhanded the way it incomprehensibly had? What they meant by this, unironically?
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Post by good-old on Jul 11, 2024 12:51:15 GMT -5
Says the person who can't fathom living a happy life alone. Could be my absolutely unprecedented mental deficiency, or there is really no sense to find between the two. As life is full of surprises, I'd place a safe bet on the former. What is so 'meaningful' that was implied only to be so abruptly backhanded the way it incomprehensibly had? What they meant by this, unironically? Could you write this in, uhm, easier English? I'm dumb and I can't fully understand what you asked here.
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Post by 40oz on Jul 11, 2024 14:24:51 GMT -5
good-old It's a little unclear to me too but I think Kuramori is saying they have trouble believing you could be both happy AND alone, but they are open to understanding how that's possible, if you can explain. Do I understand you correctly, @kuramori?
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Post by VICE on Jul 11, 2024 18:20:17 GMT -5
Why the fuck would it be impossible to live a better life alone? I think you're looking at the phrase "better life" as a separate category. This isn't a competition. My statement was about quantity of good, not quality. Relationships enrich your life, making it better than it would be without them. Someone could be alone and have a better life than someone else who has a relationship, obviously. But it's also the general case that the first one would have their life improve even more were they to find a good relationship. The more you love yourself, the less you need connection to others. Sounds like basic math to me. I have no idea how you deduced that loving yourself is the perfect foundation for loving others when it drastically reduces the need for it. The more you love yourself, the easier it is to connect to others. Connection is something in life you can enjoy. I didn't use the word "need" btw, that's your own idea about it. If someone has a "need" for connection and supplants it with more self-love, genuine or not, that is a cope. You truly do sound like a boomer being unable to understand problems that this generation faces. Most lonely zoomers are absolutely tired of hearing shit about needing to love yourself instead of finding a romantic partner. Am actually a 30y/o millenial that opted out of social media and digital degeneracy. You're right, I don't understand the full extent of the problem zoomers face, nor did I claim to. I do know how the brain and body work far more than most people, even many proffessionals, I also know how these in turn affect your self-concept and beliefs, and how they are affected by various epigenetic factors and activities. In your generation, porn is more stimulating, prevalent, acceptable and normalized than it was in mine, but that does not disqualify what I said. You know what else is more prevalent, acceptable and normalized? Young men being alone. I can say with confidence that it's causation and not just correlation. I remember reading your opinion about mental health in that antidepressant thread, and I should have expected a post like this from you. Ah yes, a post essentially saying modern problems are not natural problems, that it's best to just take personal responsibility and mentioning a tested, proven, actionable item you can start with that happens to align with how humanity has operated for 99.99% of its existence? How dreadful. D: "Life is plain better if you realise your masculine potential" Did you take this from some Scroll Of Truth or something? From experience. It probably sounds outlandish to you because you already opted out of a key way to connect to that part of life. Oh and apparently porn usage guarantees addictions according to you, judging by the fact that you call me an outlier. Porn is addicting in the sense that it is an easy, effortless, highly dopaminurgic activity. Whether one particular individual becomes addicted in the clinical sense, depends on other factors. Again, I'm not the one who mentioned addiction. People who use porn as the default while opting out of persuing real releationships are not the norm or even close... And "Asexuals" are less than 1% of the general population. How many of those have a functioning sex drive and watch porn? How many of that last group eventually leave that label and treat it as "just a phase"? How many of those actually tried what I said and found that it didn't help them at all? Consider which of these data points do you think would describe you best, and you'll see why I used the word "outlier". Even if it was very slightly exaggerated, it's still an efficient descriptor. Though yeah I forgot to put something into my post, I don't consider my balls a liability, that's exactly why I masturbate and get some fun out of it. I thought this was obvious. Was distracted when I read that part of your post, my bad. I see now that you meant it as a counter to how you actually feel about it. You originally said that my lack of desire for romantic relationships may be from the fact that I masturbate. I countered this by saying that most people who masturbate to porn still desire a romantic relationship. How does that support your point? It's a cope that prevents them from attaining that relationship, in ways they don't even fathom from where they are. If they didn't have porn to rely on they would be more attracted to the women in their vicinity, they would be taking more action and more risks, increasing the likelihood of attaining one. And even if they're not addicted to porn, it's still an option in the backs of their minds. As it is right now, their body is wired to think that it's already reproducing, and very successfuly, when in truth, that is not the case, resulting in an incongruence. You talk about being good at self-love, but from whatever you said about being alone in those last two posts, it's evident that you have a surface-level understanding of it, at best. Why would I discuss it beyond surface level in a single post, if it's not the subject I set out to talk about? You brought it up as a qualifier for yourself. Do you think I now have to qualify myself to you? You can choose to believe that I don't love myself if it makes you feel better about your own situation. idc. At least you know how your advice is viewed by everyone... By you and everyone that participated in this conversation so far, maybe. I didn't post that just for you.
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Post by good-old on Jul 12, 2024 8:25:01 GMT -5
Relationships enrich your life, making it better than it would be without them. I think you're looking at the phrase "better life" as a separate category. This isn't a competition. My statement was about quantity of good, not quality. Someone could be alone and have a better life than someone else who has a relationship, obviously. But it's also the general case that the first one would have their life improve even more were they to find a good relationship. Why should one prioritise quantity over quality? Thanks to me not desiring a relationship, instead of spending time looking for partner and then connecting with them, I spent it connecting to myself. The desire not existing has allowed me to reach a point in self-love at this young age that most people never will in their lifetime. Sure, maybe I could have a good time discovering a romantic partner too, but breakups happen all the time, and even when you're completely settled with them, there is a chance they'll leave you for someone else. Or just not be a good person somewhere down the line. All of these potential problems are non-existent when it comes to yourself. The reason the general case is that way is because people can't fill that connection hole themselves. So if I'm capable of filling it myself, why would I seek another person for it? The more you love yourself, the easier it is to connect to others. Again, how the f did you conclude this? It seems way too damn obvious to me that the less you love yourself, the more you need it from others, and it is easier to connect to them because you're desperate for connection. It's just like it's easier to eat food when you're hungry. Self-love is useful in a relationship to be able to tell the other partner isn't exploiting you and just make sure it isn't one-sided and all, but that sounds more like self-acceptance or self-respect rather than self-love. Connection is something in life you can enjoy. I didn't use the word "need" btw, that's your own idea about it. If someone has a "need" for connection and supplants it with more self-love, genuine or not, that is a cope. All humans do have a "need" for connection. I thought this is common knowledge? And the fact that you consider self-love a cope for this is another instance of the concept being foreign to you. It seems you have a basic sense of self-worth or self-acceptance but that's it. Am actually a 30y/o millenial that opted out of social media and digital degeneracy. That makes it even worse. Despite being from a generation that usually understands these people better, you exhibit opinions typically of a boomer. Oh and if you admit you have a From experience. It probably sounds outlandish to you because you already opted out of a key way to connect to that part of life. It's subjective. To me, music and games are preferable to sexual activity. If my sexuality didn't exist I could give those more time and my life would be slightly better overall, though I'm not saying my life is bad. I'm guessing that you ended up in a romantic relationship while the dating scene was yet to be a shitshow and now you're shitting on all the people who can't get a partner, not putting any effort into actually understanding them and sticking to what you think you already know. It sounds outlandish to me because these days, unless your SMV is high, or you're lucky as fuck, your sexuality will cause you loneliness. I feel blessed to not be a slave to this shit. Life can be better if your dick doesn't rule it. For someone who doesn't desire romance in real life in this modern age and can live perfectly happy without it, asking them to desire it is one of the vilest pieces of advice ever. You know what else is more prevalent, acceptable and normalized? Young men being alone. I can say with confidence that it's causation and not just correlation. It's a cope that prevents them from attaining that relationship, in ways they don't even fathom from where they are. If they didn't have porn to rely on they would be more attracted to the women in their vicinity, they would be taking more action and more risks, increasing the likelihood of attaining one. And even if they're not addicted to porn, it's still an option in the backs of their minds. As it is right now, their body is wired to think that it's already reproducing, and very successfuly, when in truth, that is not the case, resulting in an incongruence. Uhm, I think it's fair to say that nowadays, most lonely men are lonely because no one wants them, not because they don't want anyone. They wouldn't be lonely if that's the case. Porn is a way to cope for most people. And again, since the dating scene is a shitshow, that's actually a good thing. Most people can't fully use it as an effective cope though, they go back to their loneliness as soon as post nut clarity hits. I don't because I'm not lonely. Ah yes, a post essentially saying modern problems are not natural problems, that it's best to just take personal responsibility and mentioning a tested, proven, actionable item you can start with that happens to align with how humanity has operated for 99.99% of its existence? How dreadful. D: If you don't understand the problems zoomers face, then stop spouting bullshit that you think helps the problem. Look, yes, it does help to a certain extent, but there's a load of reasons why it's not a panacea. Consider which of these data points do you think would describe you best, and you'll see why I used the word "outlier". Sorry, the "outlier" point was about porn users not being addicts, and you apparently weren't talking about that, nevermind. Also I just realised that you conveniently ignored half of point 4 in my original reply, I shouldn't have wasted mytime re-explaining those things. I apologise for the jumbled order and if I repeated some things multiple times, I wrote this post both on my phone and my PC. A 7 hour power cut isn't fun. Bottom line though, I really wish I just replied with the phrase "ok boomer" and left it there. It is used for people with opinions like yours. Starting to argue with you was a mistake and I'm only continuing cause leaving in the middle is a pussy move.
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Post by joe-ilya on Jul 12, 2024 8:31:20 GMT -5
Oh, you enjoy your own company? I bet you never even stared at a crack on a wall for an hour, and thought of everything that has led you to that moment.
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Post by good-old on Jul 12, 2024 8:36:47 GMT -5
Oh, you enjoy your own company? I bet you never even stared at a crack on a wall for an hour, and thought of everything that has led you to that moment. There are multiple things you could have implied here, I'm not sure which one you're going for.
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Post by VICE on Jul 12, 2024 15:40:48 GMT -5
Why should one prioritise quantity over quality? Quantity of good, not quantity of relationships. it is easier to connect to them because you're desperate for connection. It's just like it's easier to eat food when you're hungry. This line of thinking indicates you are operating in the negative. From lack. How much do you really love yourself if you can't fathom someone else opertating in the positive from a place of wholeness? Especially if you somehow claim to be doing just that, what would lead you to assume that I was operting in the negative? (Note what Kuramori said earlier. I'm asking you questions on some of these points rather than stating things outright, becuase some things you can only figure out if you actively think them through. Having someone else tell you them will not help.) All humans do have a "need" for connection. I thought this is common knowledge? Up to a certain point. It is not a perpetual thing. And the fact that you consider self-love a cope for this Do you understand nuance? I said that supplanting the need for connection with more self love was a cope. I did not say self love itself was a cope. That makes it even worse. Despite being from a generation that usually understands these people better, you exhibit opinions typically of a boomer. Yeh. Being in nature more, using your body more, spending less time consooming in front a screen compared to your peers will do that to you. The common thread is less reliance on technology for relief and entertainment. It's subjective. To me, music and games are preferable to sexual activity. If my sexuality didn't exist I could give those more time and my life would be slightly better overall... Ok Zoomer. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Imagine where you'd be if you invested 10% of that time into improving yourself, increasing your so-called "SMV" and talking to women. The benefits you will get from that outweigh the time investment by far, yet you percieve it as a loss from where you are. You obviously have a sexual component in your psyche since you watch porn and (I assume) find the female form attractive, otherwise you'd just be relieving yourself mechanically for maintenance without the aid of porno. I'm guessing that you ended up in a romantic relationship while the dating scene was yet to be a shitshow and now you're shitting on all the people who can't get a partner, not putting any effort into actually understanding them and sticking to what you think you already know. Am actually a serial monogamist, and have ONSs when not in a serious relationship. I plan to settle down in my mid 40's. I've been with women 10 years younger than me, so I know how the women of your generation operate. It sounds outlandish to me because these days, unless your SMV is high, or you're lucky as fuck, your sexuality will cause you loneliness. You are taking the term SMV way too seriously though. SMV is a semi-functional attempt to quantify how much initial interest you will get, but is not how you build attraction. Uhm, I think it's fair to say that nowadays, most lonely men are lonely because no one wants them, not because they don't want anyone. They wouldn't be lonely if that's the case. Porn is a way to cope for most people. This is a bit of a chicken and egg argument situation, but you seem to agree that porn is a cope for something, at least. So to resolve the matter, I posit that: 1. It can start as a cope for lonelines, but once it becomes ingrained, it only makes getting out of the situation harder the more you do it. This is a basic property of any type of coping mechanism. 2. If you wank women will feel something is off when they interact with you, and you will be percieved by them as less attractive, even if they can't outright tell why (and some women can). 3. I also posit that your nervous system is wired differently when you wank resulting in more reclusive behaviours, regardless of what you consciously want. Even when women signal to you that they're interested, you will miss it because you are not required to pay attention to that with your current set of habits. Most of them are subtle like that. There is also the fact that after orgasm your body will release pair-bonding chemicals, but with no human nearby you will be essentially chemically pair bonded with the activity that got you there. And the dopamine released by the activity will encourage you to seek it more in the future, even if you don't get full-on-addicted, resulting in a spiral. If Pavlov could see the state of the world today he would be shitting himself. If you don't understand the problems zoomers face, then stop spouting bullshit that you think helps the problem. Look, yes, it does help to a certain extent, but there's a load of reasons why it's not a panacea. I said I don't understand the full extent of the problem, because you have it worse and I didn't experience it to such a degree. I do understand the mechanism and the dynamics completely and comprehensively various angles. Gen Alpha (misnomer lol) will obviously have it even worse than Zoomers. This trend will continue until enough people realise digital distraction culture is a problem and collectively decide to do something about it. Either that or a "Sodom and Ghommora"/"Fall of Rome" type situation. As for the "load of reasons"... There is only one major reason actually: You have a steeper hill to climb. More effort is required on your part, especially if you're already invested in your kind of lifestyle. This is the only reason I'm actually talking to you instead of making fun of you. The solution itself is the same, though, and most of the additional effort is only required initially, because, guess what, in your generation you also have an advantage: If you can get away from the distractions, the competition from your peers is, on average, far less fit.
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Post by good-old on Jul 12, 2024 23:42:45 GMT -5
Quantity of good, not quantity of relationships. My point still stands, and nice work on ignoring the rest of it. How much do you really love yourself if you can't fathom someone else opertating in the positive from a place of wholeness? I don't see what that has to do with self-love at all. I'm not sure what you meant in the rest of that paragraph. Do you understand nuance? I said that supplanting the need for connection with more self love was a cope. I did not say self love itself was a cope. See what surface-level self-love I'm talking about? Yeh. Being in nature more, using your body more, spending less time consooming in front a screen compared to your peers will do that to you. The common thread is less reliance on technology for relief and entertainment. Look at me, I don't understand common problems that most people face of the future generation face and actively downplay them and laugh at them, I'm so cool! Ok Zoomer. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Idk mate. Being able to enjoy music and games even more than the average person is a quality, not a defect. Is this your way to cope or something? Shitting on other people who can do things you can't? You seem to be treating several parts of me a defect by looking them from the weirdest possible angle. I don't know how the fuck you came to the conclusion that me loving myself to the point I don't need a romantic partner is a defect. You also don't seem to feel bad about having the same level of understanding as what is widely considered the worst generation since the last century.(Alpha isn't that good either, but being cringe is way less worse than being downright bad, like boomers) And apparently not considering sexual activity the highest pleasure is also a defect. Imagine where you'd be if you invested 10% of that time into improving yourself, increasing your so-called "SMV" and talking to women. The benefits you will get from that outweigh the time investment by far, yet you percieve it as a loss from where you are. No, all that time was well-spent and I don't regret it in the slightest. I already do spend a lot of time working on myself, but not for the sake of women, it's more for dealing with people like you. Keep telling yourself that I wasted my time, cope harder. You are taking the term SMV way too seriously though. SMV is a semi-functional attempt to quantify how much initial interest you will get, but is not how you build attraction. I dunno man, I think it does play a big part of settling in a relationship. There's a reason I see many awesome personalities everywhere unable to find a partner. So to resolve the matter, I posit that: 1. It can start as a cope for lonelines, but once it becomes ingrained, it only makes getting out of the situation harder the more you do it. This is a basic property of any type of coping mechanism. 2. If you wank women will feel something is off when they interact with you, and you will be percieved by them as less attractive, even if they can't outright tell why (and some women can). 3. I also posit that your nervous system is wired differently when you wank resulting in more reclusive behaviours, regardless of what you consciously want. Even when women signal to you that they're interested, you will miss it because you are not required to pay attention to that with your current set of habits. Most of them are subtle like that. There is also the fact that after orgasm your body will release pair-bonding chemicals, but with no human nearby you will be essentially chemically pair bonded with the activity that got you there. And the dopamine released by the activity will encourage you to seek it more in the future, even if you don't get full-on-addicted, resulting in a spiral. You're not taking into consideration the fact just how many people watch porn. Most surveys already show very high numbers, and then you also have to consider how many are lying. Early-mid teenagers have a crazy libido dude, it's almost a fact. There are almost guaranteed to watch porn if they have access to it. So pretty much every teenager watches porn, this means whatever you said applies to fucking everyone right now. The loneliness epidemic would turn into a pandemic. No one would get into a relationship. For this reason I don't think those posited points are true. Am actually a serial monogamist, and have ONSs when not in a serious relationship. I plan to settle down in my mid 40's. I've been with women 10 years younger than me, so I know how the women of your generation operate. Hmm, okay. It doesn't seem to reflect in your understanding of the situation though. As for the "load of reasons"... There is only one major reason actually: You have a steeper hill to climb. More effort is required on your part, especially if you're already invested in your kind of lifestyle. This is the only reason I'm actually talking to you instead of making fun of you. The solution itself is the same, though, and most of the additional effort is only required initially, because, guess what, in your generation you also have an advantage: If you can get away from the distractions, the competition from your peers is, on average, far less fit.I was talking about the mental health crisis there and you suggesting exercise as a panacea. Also I don't know why you're saying this like I have a problem in the first place. Which brings me to my last point, one that you ignored twice, but I guess that happens when the posts are so long. You seem to be talking as if my ability to self-sustain mentally and be perfectly happy is a defect and I should actively look for a romantic partner. Why?You did say that it is technically possible to be happy alone but you're talking like it only barely fits the definition of happiness. Keep telling yourself that your inability to sustain yourself mentally makes you better than me.
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VICE
Doomer
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Post by VICE on Jul 13, 2024 5:43:44 GMT -5
You seem to be talking as if my ability to self-sustain mentally and be perfectly happy is a defect And you seem to be talking as if you are a special snowflake that discovered this radical new concept himself, on which he is already an expert (with barely any life experience), that it is not a basic life skill that any sane, mature person has, and if anyone has different priorities, a different way to eloquate the subject, or god forbid says jerking off will make you much less successful with women (fact), that person must not love themselves. kek. You are living a lifestyle that no man or woman in history in any previous generation would consider meaningful or even viable. You think your sheltered ass knows jack shit about what makes a good life? You'd rather make assumptions about me that give you a half-assed excuse to ignore the contents of what I'm saying, than actually thinking it through. Despite your habits and wording, I had no reason to assume you didn't love yourself, however, your clinging to this subject like some kind of rhethorical shield, makes me think otherwise now. If you can be alone with your own thoughts for 3 days without anything digital to distract you from base reality, I'll believe you that you actually love yourself, and not the coping distractions you've resigned yourself to, and which you now appear to identify with. Untill then, enjoy whatever it is you're doing. I can tell this convo is going nowehre useful in your case, and it's already 3 posts overdue on my part. Just remember: The more zoomers agree with you, the more zoomerettes end up dissatisfied with you lot and want to get with guys like me. Cheers.
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good-old
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18 year old dumb kid.
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Post by good-old on Jul 13, 2024 7:15:27 GMT -5
And you seem to be talking as if you are a special snowflake that discovered this radical new concept himself, on which he is already an expert (with barely any life experience), that it is not a basic life skill that any sane, mature person has, and if anyone has different priorities I never claimed to discover it, but it is true I don't know a single person in real life who isn't looking for a romantic partner. There are tons of other things which make me believe I'm far more well-versed in this than people like you for example, but you won't be convinced anyway so I'll skip it. god forbid says jerking off will make you much less successful with women (fact) Nearly every male teenager is less successful with women? Got it. that person must not love themselves I do not remember ever saying anything like that. I tried to imply that you can't comprehend more than a surface level of self-love because you can't comprehend how my lifestyle is perfectly happy. You are living a lifestyle that no man or woman in history in any previous generation would consider meaningful or even viable. I guess my meaning of life is better than theirs. My meaning of life doesn't involve bringing someone without their consent into this planet where things are miserable by default and you need quite a lot of effort, and more importantly luck to make yourself happy. But I don't think you even consider this planet miserable because you're part of the problem. You think your sheltered ass knows jack shit about what makes a good life? Why wouldn't I if I'm already living happy? You'd rather make assumptions about me that give you a half-assed excuse to ignore the contents of what I'm saying, than actually thinking it through. ...I did still reply to everything though? Nice work on ignoring all of it lmao. And I'm the one ignoring here... Despite your habits and wording, I had no reason to assume you didn't love yourself, however, your clinging to this subject like some kind of rhethorical shield, makes me think otherwise now. You're clinging on to the fact that romantic relationships are the way to go. I'm clinging on to it to counter that, because they're not for me. If you can be alone with your own thoughts for 3 days without anything digital to distract you from base reality, I'll believe you that you actually love yourself, and not the coping distractions you've resigned yourself to, and which you now appear to identify with. Okay go spend 3 days with your romantic partner doing nothing but talking. For the record I do talk to myself 1.5 hours a day total on average without anything digital. Oh and you're so disconnected from any form of entertainment that they feel like cope to you? I can tell this convo is going nowehre useful in your case, and it's already 3 posts overdue on my part. From your initial post it was obvious that you're not the kind of person I could have a useful conversation with. It was a mistake on my part actually trying to talk to you instead of just using "ok boomer". I didn't leave in the middle despite realising the mistake because that's a pussy move. Just remember: The more zoomers agree with you, the more zoomerettes end up dissatisfied with you lot and want to get with guys like me. You think I'm jealous? I feel sorry for the women who get with you. Thank you for making me appreciate the good people I have in my life for not being like you. Thank you for making me write several effortposts, negativity is an excellent fuel. I think my typing speed went up slightly and I'm gonna write about a lot of things I've been looking to for a long time(mostly personal documents). Cheers.
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VICE
Doomer
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Post by VICE on Jul 13, 2024 8:23:36 GMT -5
ITT zoomer copecel seething over boomer tantrachad rhetoric and solacing in increased typing speed and self-lovin'. I might tell my next 3-Night-Stand that a random 18 year old asexual on the interwebs said he felt sorry for her, but not before her 15th orgasm. Touch grass. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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good-old
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18 year old dumb kid.
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Post by good-old on Jul 13, 2024 8:41:58 GMT -5
Yeah enjoy making shit up and calling me the one who's coping. I'm the one who's ignoring all the posts.
"Look! I, a man in his 30's, can't argue with a 18 year old head-on and pretend to be the winner of the argument! I'm so cool!"
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joe-ilya
Don't quit now! We're still spending your money!
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Post by joe-ilya on Jul 13, 2024 9:42:09 GMT -5
ITT zoomer copecel seething over boomer tantrachad rhetoric and solacing in increased typing speed and self-lovin'. Did you just do the Virgin Incel vs Chad comparison? There's no way you're older than good-old
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40oz
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Post by 40oz on Jul 13, 2024 11:48:08 GMT -5
If you want to be talked to about how VICE's life is better than yours, you're in the right place.
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