Strango5 - Dwango5 converted to Strife plus more maps & mods

just played d1EntHng, good stuff

Interesting...

Updated decorate mod again:

EDIT: old version links removed

Weapons AltFires:
Crossbow, both modes = got grappling hook doing a little of what I want.
Crossbow's altfires don't use any ammo.  The hook behaves differently depending on mode.
Mini Missile Launcher = Repulssiles (big nondamaging blast)
Grenade Launcher, both modes = faster farther-flying grenades of whichever type
Mauler, both modes = Doom style plasma with firing rate 1 tic slower.

Shifted around SpawnID numbers since I doubt anyone has done anything with them so far and gave numbers to many more things.

Some more changes and improvements.


I might update Strango5.wad to v1.1 soon, while there aren't so many downloads yet.
The wad will keep the same filename.
On a more thorough playthrough I found little things here and there eating away at my soul!

Updated gokweap4.wad, my decorate mod for ZDoom/K8vavoom
and my Massive Sehacked Patch for dos Strife, Chocolate-Strife, or Veteran's Edition.

Available here:
gokuma.neocities.org/download#strango

EDIT: old stuff removed

Both are in the zip. And also in Strango5v1.1.zip.


Lots of improvements to both. Synced up some things more similar.

Some good fixes in Gokweap4.wad.
And more weapons! You now start with the Doom shotgun as weapon 3 with 8 shells.
Reavers drop 4 shells.
Weapon 9 is NailgunMG, Quake 1 style.
Weapon 0 is NailgunSG, Quake 3 Team Arena style.
Both from Realm667 Repository and made by Mechadon, TheShooter7, and Lazureus.
Dropped by Light Green or Gray Acolytes.
Blue Acolytes drop boxes of nails.
Where any assaultgun is placed in a map, it will throw out the NailgunMG nearby.
Where any crossbow is placed in a map, it will throw out the NailgunSG nearby.
Ammo Satchel (backpack) contains shells and nails.

In Sehacked, discovered
B5250 Unknown4 is direct +10 Stamina item
B52B0 Unknown5 is direct +10 Accuracy item
So now those are available in massive patch, given the same map ID#'s as in gokweap4.wad


Strango5.wad and any converted deathmatch wad (use dm2conv with my custom default.rsp) should play especially great with Gokweap4 now that everyone starts with the Doom shotgun, but only 8 shells so it keeps you moving to grab another weapon or a backpack with more ammo.


Current Port issues discovered so far (nothing to do with my patches though they may expose them):

Updated the default.rsp for dm2conv. Changed some Doom enemy conversions to a mix with more peasants and beggars
since Acolytes are bullet sponges compared to lower Doom enemies and Reavers are bit brutal compared to imps.

It's been updated in the subfolder Strango5's zip and added to gokweap4.zip.

If you were to convert a wad of Doom episode 1 and have it start on Strife's starting map02 you use this:

dm2conv d1e1.wad d1str.wad @:DS /REMAP=2

E1M9 would become MAP10 in that case, and the secret exit line special is used for story progression or the ending in Strife,
so in E1M3 which is now MAP04, you'll want to change the secret exit or a normal exit with tag 10.
And then in map10 set the exit's tag to 5.
And in Map09 (E1M8), add a switch to lower the walls that the Barons would.   Unfortunately Crusaders that Barons are
changed to are too wide for where they're at, so you have to move them or change them or they're just punching bags.
The death exit will still work the same, but will take you to the hardcoded next map which would be map10 again.
Of course you could make E1M9 into map01 instead and the change exit in map04 appropriately.

Goals for a definitive vanilla Strife1.exe: (periodically updated)
gokuma.neocities.org/txt/vanillagoals.txt

Notes on findings and potential changes for a Champion Edition  (periodically updated)
gokuma.neocities.org/txt/StrifeCE.txt

I updated massive*.seh in the subfolders of gokweap or strango5 zips.

All normal water bottles (2014) are changed to green mugs giving +10 Accuracy and all normal mugs (164) are changed to red mugs giving +10 Stamina.   So playing the normal game with the seh, you can get up to +50 accuracy and +80 stamina just in the start map02's tavern, and reach max +100 and +100 in the Front's Base.   Playing strango5.wad all the Doom health bonuses, actually left as 2014 to be nongettable water bottles, are now accuracy bonuses.   Actually did change about 10% of the health and armor bonuses of Dwango5 to medpatches. In my decorate mod I figure enough enemies drop stat bonuses, which I can't do in the sehacked unless I have monsters drop them instead of usual ammo and you start with +50 accuracy like in Absolutely Anarchy Deathmatch.  I can't add additional drops in sehacked just like you couldn't in dehacked in Doom (except for changing Lost Souls to an item).

Playing through the game, it's better to use massivec.seh over massive4.seh.   In MassiveC.seh I deleted five things that replaced now known quest tokens, so not sure if they'll affect progression in massive4.seh.


Here's a couple quick test wads:
I put the whole Jaguar Wolfenstein texture set into Strife and fixed the colors for the palette with versions using and not using Strife's brightmap colors. Map01 and Map02 are quick conversions of Doom 2 map31 and map32. 

EDIT: Oh I didn't add all the textures to textureX in Slade.   Simple to do if you want, just make sure you set base resource to Strife1.wad in Slade because its texture format is slightly different than Doom's (Except 95 beta and 1.0 demo were still Doom's).   There is a loss of color depth from the Jaguar's TGA's due to less shades of some colors in Strife.   The aqua color metal looks cool, since Doom didn't have that color range.   Also looking at Strife's palette while remapping colors for gfx in Slade, the whole bottom row are bright maps appearing normal no matter the light level.   Also the single black in the top left corner appears as brightmap white oddly.   Slade's color conversion doesn't know this so most gfx get these mixed in making them look iridescent.   Looking through the textures you'll see where how fixed them all except for certain details to be noniridescent, copies where I left it, and versions where I made better strategic use of brightmap colors such as stone walls splattered with some yellow blood-like substance.   For a high color ZDoom project it may be better to leave much of the gfx as tga or change them to png.   They probably have to be Doom/Strife gfx format for brightmaps where you want them though.   It's a pretty cool feature dos Strife had over the other Doom engine games.

For any decorate supporting port with gokweap5.wad.
This wad has a little additional decorate giving map ID#'s to four more things that I gave ID#'s in sehacked.
www.mediafire.com/file/3qn7kyblu5gvm54/tstdec.wad/file

For dos strife with massive4.seh patch applied or Veteran's Edition or Chocolate-Strife -deh massive4.seh
Crispy Strife probably supports sehacked too.
www.mediafire.com/file/46fvmf0b37pzk0r/tstseh.wad/file

UPDATE: Added a good test map as map04 where enemies are behind invisible doors.
Added vendors to all maps with customized selections on map04.   Different for the two versions.
Map Exits: Map01 to map02 to map04 to map01.
Except if you kill the programmer in the tstseh.wad map04, it exits to map05 Prison.  But from there just back up and you'll exit to map02.

Map01's script was taken from map10 and Map04's is based on script23.



I'll probably put together something more interesting but these are just quick testing crap for now.

My stuff is totally up of grabs for people to use or modify, take chunks of, whatever.   thelokk 's recent work kickstarted my renewed interest in Strife.   Also a couple years ago OpenRift mentioned wanting to play some Strife in Dosbox Deathmatch Club which they finally did with strango5.wad and Ceski's strife1.exe, the previous weekend.   I actually started working on strango5 then about two years ago, but got away from it for a while, finally getting back to it and finishing it recently.   Cool to see all progress that's been made on mapping or modding for Strife, though of course it's not nearly the quantity of the other Doom engine games.

thelokk You're welcome. Yeah UDMF + decorate has a lot more potential than normal Doom format Strife + Sehacked. Apparently I'm still the only person to release vanilla Strife maps that don't require any port. In my decorate mod, I made additional versions of the boss monsters that don't spawn spectres or end the map. I also did some cool color translations for all the monsters. And if they don't spawn spectres, then you don't get a piece of the Sigil forced on you. After I put in the Doom shotgun with Strife-style arm graphics, I more recently came across a Strife pistol here: www.realm667.com/en/repository-18489/armory-mainmenu-157-97317/other-sources-styles-mainmenu-160-29963?start=30.
I might see about updating Sehacked with the unknown things labeled and the Ceski version of the dos source recreation supported if that works. Shouldn't be too much work, and I guess worthwhile since some ports support it and the dos version is improved and being played on an online network. Sehacked could be used to skip the code pointer frames that spawn spectres or end the map. But I'm not about to try making a Strife version of WhackEd. Would be cool if someone did, but don't know the chances of anyone being motivated enough.

A limit I actually found with the decorate that Sehacked doesn't have is, making gold appear in deathmatch.   You can add spawners with new map ID#'s that spawn them just fine.   But if you try to make more directly modified ones, inheriting and replacing with the same map ID#, then shopkeepers won't recognize the new gold items as spendable currency.   In Sehacked, you can just uncheck the Not In DM bit or flag.   However, talking to NPC's is disabled in multiplayer anyway, unless the game is modified to allow it.   So it would just allow a player to get and spend the gold in single player altdeath mode.   In dos Strife, it seems you can only play multiplayer in deathmatch 1.0 (the default/not specified), or altdeath while in single player you can only play normal single player or altdeath.   Except the oldest demo and beta you could play multi coop mode but not talk to any NPC's.  I think I see in the source how to change what modes you're allowed to play, but would have to find what to change to allow talking to NPC's in multi.   Meanwhile there's already a whole big multi coop patch for GZDoom Strife by Nash.   Well I guess he figured out some solution with the gold in stock maps.

Just something really confusing with sprites in Strife is it's hardcoded with some kind of proxy sprite names, which is then carried over to even ZDoom port support. For example, in the exe and decorate, the sprites for the Stalker are STLK. But if you look in Strife1.wad they're really SPID. I first noticed in the decorate and tried changing all the sprites to SPID. Then I started up whatever Z port and the Stalkers were invisible. It wasn't finding the SPID sprites were right there in the wad and I have no idea what it was looking for then. So you make a mod for either game that has both the Doom Spidermastermind and Strife Stalkers, I guess you have to rename the Doom enemy sprites and hope it finds them under their new name. In oldest beta and demo Strife, the Stalkers actually shot at you, which would make for shitscanner hell, so I see why they were changed to melee.   I think there's also has some annoying proxy name business with the Mauler's firing frames.

The new map set is looking interesting.   Wondering where the story could be going with the new confess your sins screen texture.

In decorate subfolder of the strango5 zip or just by itself:
www.mediafire.com/file/oha7554crbzoo0l/gokweap5.zip/file

The txt file lists all the new DoomEd/mapID#, spawn ID, and conversationID for everything as well as a bunch of color translations.


Whenever I happen to maybe update to a gokweap6.wad, I was thinking of importing Heretic's Explosive Pods as they should fit nicely with Strife's alien stuff.  They have the same mapID# 2035 as Doom's Barrels which is unused in Strife, while I already upgraded Strife's Barrels to have a bigger explosion like Doom's, and colored them red.   I should give spawn ID#'s to both.   Doom's Barrels and Heretic's Pods both use SpawnID 125.

There's a load of Strife style monsters and modified ones at the Realm667 Repository.
www.realm667.com/en/repository-18489/beastiary-mainmenu-136-69621/strife-style-mainmenu-173-3492

While those are totally within Strife's style, I think the game could use some fitting aliens or MUTANTS or other monsters that don't look graphically out of place, since it's so heavy on robots and cyborgs.   Maybe some Lovecraftian cosmic horror type stuff.   Definitely check out my version of the Loremaster which doesn't spawn a spectre.   It's LoremasterC in the decorate (MapID 3012, SpawnID 222, ConversationID 466 but that one probably doesn't matter for immediately aggressive enemies you probably won't talk to).  For ProgrammerC which doesn't end the level, I didn't like how the codepointer to spawn his base spawns it on the exact same spot making it flicker or overlap, so I changed that frame to a custom spawn ex that throws it a little.

Other notes on inheritance: To make an immediately aggressive Acolyte and enemy StrifeGuy, I had them inherit from the Reaver, which also enabled me to give them the ReaverRanged attack.   Only in GZDoom can you give something the ReaverRanged without inheriting from the Reaver.   To give any custom enemy the mauler attack, I had to have them inherit from the Templar, but then they're not immediately aggressive, since you can actually talk to Templars if they're not alerted by your attacks, or a script or linedef giving you the Alarm token to set everything on you.  I was thinking stock script03 (map03 first version of Front Base) seems to set everything on you, even friendlies.   But apparently it's not in the script and it's hardcoded for that map.   So everyone goes after you when alerted by you misbehaving on that map.   Looking at the mapinfo in zandronum.pk3 under map03 it has noallies.

EDIT: Other changes whenever I make a gokweap6.wad
AcolyteSG inherit from ReaverB rather than just Reaver.
Add DoomEd/mapId's for Alarm, OpenDoor222,CloseDoor222,OpenDoor224 like in additional decorate in tstdec.wad ( www.mediafire.com/file/3qn7kyblu5gvm54/tstdec.wad/file )


Have you ever seen the animated movie Heavy Metal? (really not for kids)   It's a series of shorter stories tied together.   The last longest story seems to me to have heavily inspired Strife.   There are so many similarities in the story and what both contain.


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Something else I should have mentioned on this topic.   However less relevant to current discussion it could be used as a basis to spawn a different enemy.


Jason Voorhees in Doom/Heretic/Hexen/Strife:



Spawns Jason in just about any map in any game.
See this post: doomer.boards.net/post/58588/thread
Or get it on the moddb: www.moddb.com/mods/friday-the-13th-jasons-doom

Requires LZDoom or GZDoom.   Even though it's only Decorate and ACS with no zscript it uses code not supported by Zandronum.   Doesn't have the best results with every map.  For example, in Strango5.wad map05, he spawns in a corner of wall.   Eventually he teleports out of it, if you don't kill him first.   In an individual map ACS, different coordinates relative to the player could be used to spawn in a good spot.